Re: My H316 environment
Thanks a lot, Philipp ! Sergio 2016-10-03 7:37 GMT+02:00 Philipp Hachtmann : > Hi folks, > > if you're interested... I have made available my Honeywell H316 environment. > Consists of all you need to run the machine and more. > > Contains software to split and rearrange libraries. The Fortran IV compiler > SOURCE. The assembler. Scripts that run compiler and assembler transparently > on files (with help of SIMH). > Plotter library. Mandelbrot program. Much more. Only SIMH is needed. The > rest should be done by the Makefile. It's just all I have. > > http://gitweb.hachti.de/git/h316.git > > > :-) > > > > -- > Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Philipp Hachtmann > Buchdruck, Bleisatz, Spezialitäten > > Alemannstr. 21, D-30165 Hannover > Tel. 0511/352, Mobil 0171/2632239 > Fax. 0511/3500439 > phil...@hachtmann.com > > www.tiegeldruck.de > facebook.com/buchdruck > > UStdID DE 202668329
Re: My H316 environment
On Oct 3, 2016 4:47 AM, "SPC" wrote: > > Thanks a lot, Philipp ! > > Sergio > > 2016-10-03 7:37 GMT+02:00 Philipp Hachtmann : > > Hi folks, > > > > if you're interested... I have made available my Honeywell H316 environment. > > Consists of all you need to run the machine and more. > > > > Contains software to split and rearrange libraries. The Fortran IV compiler > > SOURCE. The assembler. Scripts that run compiler and assembler transparently > > on files (with help of SIMH). > > Plotter library. Mandelbrot program. Much more. Only SIMH is needed. The > > rest should be done by the Makefile. It's just all I have. > > > > http://gitweb.hachti.de/git/h316.git > > > > Philipp, Do you have hardware photos of your Honeywell systems, your 316 / 516 site link from your youtube video does not come up. In particular I wanted to see your 516 console card cage/cables. Thanks Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net
Re: ka... ching!
On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:12:02AM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote: [...] > The game has changed, obviously. We are in an era now when folks with too > much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and display > toys rather than play with them. It's always been like that, just that the current fashionable thing to collect happens to be the same things you're interested in. I'd quite like an Amiga 3000, but I'm not prepared to cough up the EUR800 or so being asked on eBay. Most of the vendors seem to think it's a Dutch auction and just list high and reduce by a few tens of euros at most when it doesn't shift, but some of the daft buggers even put the price *up* when it doesn't sell. > Looks like it's time to get out of this racket. Or you can start playing with a different type of machine and/or look in a different country. Eight bit games consoles are ridiculously cheap in the Netherlands. (Well, the Dutch are all suckers for a bargain.) There's a mail-order vendor of machines out Edam way, and a small shop next to Amsterdam Centraal station which is packed to the rafters with cartridges, CDs, etc.
Re: ka... ching!
For various reasons I've also from time to time reflected on why I waste so much time on what is just old junk to most people; someone here (Al? Fred?) once >asked rhetorically how much money or lost income we spend just storing this crap, and that in particular hit home. But how much nice friends did we got internationally, so much nice talks, discussions, fights and overall great moments we got with that? Some people spends this kind of money in booze, drugs and cigars. We're in an advantage :D
Re: ka... ching!
There are a couple of sellers in particular who routinely ask insane prices, which I think distorts the economy: 'If that guy can ask a gazillion dollars/pounds/euro for X, so can I." I think few people actually look at *completed* sales, i.e. what people really paid for something. That's what is happening on our local auction site (mercado livre). People raises prices on equipment, and the outsider comes and says "if he is selling for 1000, I'll sell mine for 1100 and see what happens" and the price goes to actual unpayable levels. $500 into a loose Atari 400? NO WAY.
Re: ka... ching!
There are also the type of people who get into a hobby and buy all kinds of gear then get bored and ditch it a few years later. Or people like me, who gathers lots and lots of trash, refurbish it, sell as complete vintage computers, and "adjust" the collection to things that are COMPLETELY RELEVANT to my personal feelings: - Anything Atari related (and I FINALLY GOT MY ATARI 800!!! WOOHOOO!) - Sinclair (zx81, spectrum, QL) - Apple (mainly //e) - one or two macintoshes - MSX (my Turbo-R and 3 or 4 nice machines)
Re: ka... ching!
I have a new theory. No new machines are ever found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves, sometimes with the same machine coming back years later! Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-) This is very common in amateur radio circles :) But (at least in Brazil) there are lots and lots of machines, no need to this to happen :)
Re: ka... ching!
On 10/01/2016 06:06 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > Looks like it's time to get out of this racket. On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, tony duell wrote: Want to take me with you? I'd ask if there's room, but I'm afraid that I'm not worthy. Besides, I still have too much crap that I'd want to bring along. Yes, it is easy to remember times when IBM 5150, '57 Chevy, Altair, Isetta, functioning TTYs, could be had for the effort of carrying them home. Will old computers hold value, though? I expect that nostalgia plays a big part, and the majority of buyers with deep pockets today do so because they remember using the machines in their younger years. At some point, I expect that won't be the case - the people with the money couldn't tell an Apple from an IBM. Perhaps what it comes down to is how much the working state of the machine matters. If that plays a big part... well, I expect it will be a lot harder to restore a vintage computer to original state compared to say a painting or a piece of furniture. At that point, well it's just a lump of metal and plastic and silicon. I don't know, I wonder if in 5-10 years the bottom might not drop out of the market, except for a few niche items (Apple 1's, Altairs and the like). If John Titor ever answers my standing offer, one of the first things that I should do in the 1960s is get a warehouse. ... and the money for the taxes, upkeep, security etc. I expect that storing a significant amount of stuff - particularly in conditions favorable to the contents - costs a significant amount of money, even if you have the building. cheers Jules
Re: My H316 environment
Hi William, Do you have hardware photos of your Honeywell systems, your 316 / 516 site link from your youtube video does not come up. http://h316.org seems to work for me. Please confirm if it really does not work. In particular I wanted to see your 516 console card cage/cables. The 516 has been stowed away for years. I still have all the pieces including rack. But back then I was frustrated because I miss some hardware to put it all together (real hardware, for assembling the whole cabinet). What exactly do you want to see? Regards Philipp -- Dipl.-Inf. (FH) Philipp Hachtmann Buchdruck, Bleisatz, Spezialitäten Alemannstr. 21, D-30165 Hannover Tel. 0511/352, Mobil 0171/2632239 Fax. 0511/3500439 phil...@hachtmann.com www.tiegeldruck.de facebook.com/buchdruck UStdID DE 202668329
Re: ka... ching!
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Peter Corlett wrote: > I'd quite like an Amiga 3000, but I'm not prepared to cough up the EUR800 or > so > being asked on eBay. Wow... I had an A3000 at VCFmw 2015 for sale at my table, plugged in and operational (not dead from Varta leakage) and was asking $375 with a GG2 Bus+ card included. Two interested parties, one was shopping for a friend who decided not to go ahead with the sale, the other tried to talk me down to $250. I did not sell the machine. I'm not surprised that someone would _ask_ EUR800, but are they *getting* it? -ethan
Re: 11/35 on eBait
> From: William Degnan > Some of the CPU options not present. Huh? The KT11-D is there, as is the KE11-E and KE11-E, and even a KJ11-A of sorts (might be an after-market one, doesn't have the standard DEC handle). What other 11/40 CPU options are there? Noel
Re: 11/35 on eBait
On 10/3/16 8:08 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > What other 11/40 CPU options are there? > Stack Limit and RTC
RE: 11/35 on eBait
> Huh? The KT11-D is there, as is the KE11-E and KE11-E, and even a KJ11-A of > sorts (might be an after-market one, doesn't have the standard DEC handle). > What other 11/40 CPU options are there? KW11-L line time clock? -tony
RE: ka... ching!
> Wow... I had an A3000 at VCFmw 2015 for sale at my table, plugged in > and operational (not dead from Varta leakage) and was asking $375 with > a GG2 Bus+ card included. Two interested parties, one was shopping for > a friend who decided not to go ahead with the sale, the other tried to > talk me down to $250. I did not sell the machine. > > I'm not surprised that someone would _ask_ EUR800, but are they > *getting* it? And just like that the price of the A3000 goes up. :) Although, to be fair though it seems that things do sell for more overseas. I've always chucked it up to a lack of supply but that really would not explain the Amiga. I would think they would be more plentiful in Europe... -Ali
Re: ka... ching!
> From: Alexandre Souza > the outsider comes and says "if he is selling for 1000, I'll sell mine > for 1100 and see what happens" and the price goes to actual unpayable > levels. Except it usually doesn't work. Look at that PDP-8 that was listed for ever at $25K. No takers. And this PDP-11/04: http://www.ebay.com/itm/172192522620 which does, after all, have the programmer's console, and has been listed for months at $2K. Noel
Re: 11/35 on eBait
> From: Al Kossow > Stack Limit That's there - that's the KJ11. > From: Tony Duell > KW11-L line time clock? I don't really consider the LTC as a CPU option. It's on the actual UNIBUS, it's just in a specially wired UNIBUS slot that's only one slot wide, and only has BR/G6 and D6/7 wired to it. Yes, in this case that slot is in the CPU, so one can make an argument... Noel
Re: 11/35 on eBait
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Al Kossow > > > Stack Limit > > That's there - that's the KJ11. > > > From: Tony Duell > > > KW11-L line time clock? > > I don't really consider the LTC as a CPU option. It's on the actual UNIBUS, > it's just in a specially wired UNIBUS slot that's only one slot wide, and > only > has BR/G6 and D6/7 wired to it. Yes, in this case that slot is in the CPU, > so > one can make an argument... > > Noel > I should have been more precise, but my point is that this is a non-parity RAM basic 11/35 system useful for peripheral interfacing and communications. As is, not good for something like RT11. b
Re: 11/35 on eBait
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 12:07 PM, william degnan wrote: > ... > I should have been more precise, but my point is that this is a non-parity > RAM basic 11/35 system useful for peripheral interfacing and > communications. As is, not good for something like RT11. I wouldn't look at it this way. Non-parity memory is fine for any application if you judge the risk of memory error to be low enough for that application. Peripheral interfacing or communications may or may not be such an application. An application running on RT11 may or may not be. The OS isn't what decides this, but rather the requirements of the application: the expected bit error rate for the memory technology in use vs. the failure rate that's tolerable for the application. paul
RE: ka... ching!
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jules Richardson Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 5:45 AM To: gene...@classiccmp.org; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: ka... ching! On 10/01/2016 06:06 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: >> > Looks like it's time to get out of this racket. > On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, tony duell wrote: >> Want to take me with you? > > I'd ask if there's room, but I'm afraid that I'm not worthy. Besides, > I still have too much crap that I'd want to bring along. > > > Yes, it is easy to remember times when IBM 5150, '57 Chevy, Altair, > Isetta, functioning TTYs, could be had for the effort of carrying them home. Will old computers hold value, though? I expect that nostalgia plays a big part, and the majority of buyers with deep pockets today do so because they remember using the machines in their younger years. At some point, I expect that won't be the case - the people with the money couldn't tell an Apple from an IBM. Perhaps what it comes down to is how much the working state of the machine matters. If that plays a big part... well, I expect it will be a lot harder to restore a vintage computer to original state compared to say a painting or a piece of furniture. At that point, well it's just a lump of metal and plastic and silicon. I don't know, I wonder if in 5-10 years the bottom might not drop out of the market, except for a few niche items (Apple 1's, Altairs and the like). > If John Titor ever answers my standing offer, one of the first things > that I should do in the 1960s is get a warehouse. ... and the money for the taxes, upkeep, security etc. I expect that storing a significant amount of stuff - particularly in conditions favorable to the contents - costs a significant amount of money, even if you have the building. cheers > Jules I've wondered this precise thing. I'm 41 this year, and I am definitely part of the nostalgia wave, although my experiences began in the early 80s with Commodore, IBM, etc. I never had experience with SWTPC, Digital Group or any of the earlier pioneers. My interest in them stemmed from learning more and more about Commodore machines I never knew existed and then branching out into whole companies I never knew about. Plus I have a keen interest in history generally. Will a 20-something with no original experience of vintage machines at all be as interested? I'm on the fence -- there is still great interest in 8 bit gaming, for example - but this need is filled by emulation. And the other problem millennials and on down have is that space is at a premium. With my own stuff, on the rare occasion I've gone to sell something I purchased, say, 5 years ago (in a dogfight on ebay), I'm not getting what I paid now. I think we're the bubble deflating with other things like vintage cars. Lots of young people don't even have a regular day to day car let alone an interest in spending thousands on something vintage. I'm seeing lots of great cars for sale that used to command huge dollars coming back to earth. Maybe that is the fate of our hobby also.
Re: 11/35 on eBait
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Oct 3, 2016, at 12:07 PM, william degnan > wrote: > > ... > > I should have been more precise, but my point is that this is a > non-parity > > RAM basic 11/35 system useful for peripheral interfacing and > > communications. As is, not good for something like RT11. > > I wouldn't look at it this way. Non-parity memory is fine for any > application if you judge the risk of memory error to be low enough for that > application. Peripheral interfacing or communications may or may not be > such an application. An application running on RT11 may or may not be. > The OS isn't what decides this, but rather the requirements of the > application: the expected bit error rate for the memory technology in use > vs. the failure rate that's tolerable for the application. > > paul > > 16K RAM does not make for much of an RT11 system. The industrial/beefy 11/40's all have parity RAM. My PDP 11/05 has the same core stack as this 11/35.
Re: pinouts for LH Research Super-Mite and Mighty-Mite-A sense connectors
> > Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:53:27 -0700 > From: Al Kossow > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Subject: pinouts for LH Research Super-Mite and Mighty-Mite-A sense > connectors > Message-ID: <7cf54132-fe8b-abde-0fe0-d4dcfeb17...@bitsavers.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I'm working on documenting these supplies, since there seems to be almost > nothing on them on > the web of use. There is a list of what is on the 9 pin molex on the SM, > but no actual pinout. > Same for the 15 pin D on the MMA, but at least there are enough pictures > around to be able to > assume the sense lines are on 1 and 2. > > The general form of the part numbers for them starts with 2 or 3 letters > (TM,MM,MMA,SM) a rough > power rating code (1-7) and the number of outputs (1-5) a dash, then model > number probably encoding > supply outputs/amps. This is based on looking at a bunch of eBay pictures. > Al, I have a MM65-E0506/115 that needs repair. This is also known as a DEC H7130C from a KS10. 5V@30A 5V@60A 12V@10A 15V@3A 5V@5A I see lots of companies that advertise repair services for these supplies, so the documentation must exist. It would be great if you could find some documentation for these power supplies. -- Michael Thompson
Re: pinouts for LH Research Super-Mite and Mighty-Mite-A sense connectors
On 10/3/16 10:37 AM, Michael Thompson wrote: > Al, > > I have a MM65-E0506/115 that needs repair. > This is also known as a DEC H7130C from a KS10. > 5V@30A > 5V@60A > 12V@10A > 15V@3A > 5V@ > I see lots of companies that advertise repair services for these supplies, > so the documentation must exist. It would be great if you could find some > documentation for these power supplies. > Pontus mentions it here http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16729704&sid=4d1bbd98156998f0128b5ce443c5097f&start=15#p7381694 If you have a capacitance/esr meter, I'd start there. I have a manual for a Super-Mite SM10 series coming. There was one shot of the schematic page in the eBay listing and I can recognize the general structure being similar to the MM, just beefier HV switching. I'll dump everything I've got so far up on bitsavers under LH_Research. That reminds me, the PS sense pinout should be in the KS10 engineering drawings
Re: 11/35 on eBait
On 03/10/2016 17:46, william degnan wrote: On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Oct 3, 2016, at 12:07 PM, william degnan wrote: ... I should have been more precise, but my point is that this is a non-parity RAM basic 11/35 system useful for peripheral interfacing and communications. As is, not good for something like RT11. I wouldn't look at it this way. Non-parity memory is fine for any application if you judge the risk of memory error to be low enough 16K RAM does not make for much of an RT11 system. The industrial/beefy 11/40's all have parity RAM. My PDP 11/05 has the same core stack as this 11/35. I agree with Paul. I've seen dozens of RT-11 systems and non-parity MOS memory has been more common in the ones I've seen. I see no reason to think it would be a problem. True, 16K is small even for RT-11, but I've seen plenty like that too. -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: pinouts for LH Research Super-Mite and Mighty-Mite-A sense connectors
On 10/3/16 10:50 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > That reminds me, the PS sense pinout should be in the KS10 engineering > drawings > it is, and I've added it to the lh_research stuff, but it's on barrier strips since it is a MM weird that it has two AC inputs I wonder if it's actually two supplies in a single package
Re: 11/35 on eBait
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > ... > I agree with Paul. I've seen dozens of RT-11 systems and non-parity MOS > memory has been more common in the ones I've seen. I see no reason to think > it would be a problem. True, 16K is small even for RT-11, but I've seen > plenty like that too. 16 kwords? That's at least 2x the minimum for older versions. I did my honors work in college on an 11/20 with 8 kW... which was big enough not just for RT11, but for RT-BASIC and some reasonable sized applications. paul
RE: pinouts for LH Research Super-Mite and Mighty-Mite-A sense connectors
> weird that it has two AC inputs > I wonder if it's actually two supplies in a single package Probably not applicable to this PSU, but I've worked on SMPUs where there were separate AC Inputs for the power supply for the internal control circuitry (often feeding a little linear PSU in the unit) and for the main rectifier/smoothing caps/chopper. It was done for ease of servicing (they actually cared about such things back then) You could power up the control circuits and check waveforms. etc without any risk to the choppers, then power up the chopper circuit from a current-limited supply so that if anything went wrong the damage would be minimised (no traces blown off the PCB, etc). HP certainly did this in the PSU for the HP2100A mini. -tony
Re: 11/35 on eBait
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Oct 3, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Pete Turnbull > wrote: > > > > ... > > I agree with Paul. I've seen dozens of RT-11 systems and non-parity MOS > memory has been more common in the ones I've seen. I see no reason to > think it would be a problem. True, 16K is small even for RT-11, but I've > seen plenty like that too. > > 16 kwords? That's at least 2x the minimum for older versions. I did my > honors work in college on an 11/20 with 8 kW... which was big enough not > just for RT11, but for RT-BASIC and some reasonable sized applications. > > paul > > > fine. I am not going to win. Is it *possible* yes...Hoping you can take the spirit of my original comments - this is not a beefed up 11/35 is all I am trying to say. If you want to run some old copy of RT 11 on this machine by all means do it.
VCFed is restructuring
Vintage Computer Federation has big dreams. We’re restructuring our organization to help make them come true. Our mission is to empower collectors, grow the community, and teach everyone about computer history. We especially want to raise interest in computer history among young people. To do so, we are planning many changes. For example, we want to expand the Vintage Computer Festival event series, offer new resources on the vcfed.org site, foster regional chapters, and improve our museum space. There are still other ideas that we hope to share in 2017 and beyond. We firmly believe these goals are attainable and imperative. However, as an all-volunteer unit, there simply isn’t enough time to devote to our cause without overly sacrificing time spent at our regular jobs, being with family, collecting vintage computers, and so on. As such, effective today, Vintage Computer Federation co-founder Evan Koblentz is stepping down as president and accepts the new position of part-time director. Evan is the Federation’s first employee. He reports to the board. Evan will continue day-to-day administration of the Federation and will embark on new fundraising initiatives. Erik Klein, formerly vice president, is now board chairman. Jeffrey Brace, also formerly a vice president, is now vice-chairman. Corey Cohen retains his role as business manager. We feel this new structure will help us gain resources, meet our goals, and continue to save and teach computer history for many years to come. Vintage Computer Federation Inc. is a 501(c) non-profit organization.
Re: pinouts for LH Research Super-Mite and Mighty-Mite-A sense connectors
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 10:50:42AM -0700, Al Kossow wrote: > > > Pontus mentions it here > http://forums.nekochan.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16729704&sid=4d1bbd98156998f0128b5ce443c5097f&start=15#p7381694 Did you also find Jan-Jaaps personal gallery? Not sure it adds much, but there are some pictures of the inside of the MightyMITE: http://www.vdheijden-messerli.net/sgistuff/photos/2011.01.08-mightymite/ /Pontus (the same as on nekochan)
Re: Datapoint
Den 2016-10-02 kl. 16:04, skrev Noel Chiappa: Any collectors of early Datapoint machines out there on the list? I got a DP2200 version I with serial memory, missing pieces and screen rot. I got it in my teens, 30-35 years ago and along the way I picked off some pieces. The most visible things the keyboard (25 years ago) and the cover (10 years ago), then I realized just in time what I had before tossing it out as scrap. My plan is sometime to take the time to get it running again. To my help I got... Another DP2200 version II with random access memory, screenrot and one broken key but otherwise complete. It got issues with the power supply but is probably not too far from running condition. Anyone got a spare keyboard? :-) Göran
mc68010+mc68451 Unix source?
I've got a half dozen different source trees for mc680x0 Unixen, but nothing for an mc68010 CPU + mc68451 MMU. I know Unisoft did some. I don't know if the Motorola ports (like for the VME/10) were Unisoft or done internally. Did any '010+'451 source trees survive to escape into the wild? KJ
uVAX system (mostly) that Ian King was interested in
On 10/02/2016 08:23 PM, Ian S. King wrote: Back in July we corresponded about a uVAX system that was less than complete that you had expressed interest in. I sent a private email, but didn't get a response. So, I'm trying again here. What I have is the lower part of cabinet, power supply and main board, no mezzanine boards for DV-31ETA-A-A01 VaxStation 3100. The unit is 16 Lbs, and 20 x 15 x 6" without a box. I'd guess it would be at least 20 Lbs when boxed up. Are you still interested, Ian? (Sorry to have to send this to the whole list...) Jon
Re: mc68010+mc68451 Unix source?
the will probably be 68000 unisoft kernels i've used weren't 010 with the 451 i'll have to dig around for what bits of the 451 kernel i still have around. unisoft kept the mmu parts pretty well isolated since the did so many hw ports On 10/3/16 5:53 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: > I've got a half dozen different source trees for mc680x0 Unixen, but > nothing for an mc68010 CPU + mc68451 MMU. I know Unisoft did some. I > don't know if the Motorola ports (like for the VME/10) were Unisoft or > done internally. > > Did any '010+'451 source trees survive to escape into the wild? > > KJ >
IBM + misc Available in Sacramento CA
Got the following message from Daniel de Long. Please respond to him directly at: del...@ulink.net Dan de Long R&D Data Corp 2425 24th Street Sacramento Ca 95818 Phone 916 452 8233 He may be willing to ship stuff. Bob, Equipment available: Three new IBM 9518 Color Display in factory box, $85 each. IBM 3287-2 Printer IBM 552 Interpreter IBM 557 Interpreter 4 new IBM 4245 Print bands part number 1509724 2 EMC Symmetrix 16 and 24 drive 1 Telex 287 Printer (IBM 3287 type) 2 Telex 8020 Model 266 Tape Drive 9 track 1600/6250 BPI 1 Memorex line printer speed between 1200-1500 lines per minute 1 Memorex 1270Terminal Controller addresses 20-3F 2 Storagetek 4670 tape controller with built in tape drive 1600/6250 bpi, $125 each 11 Storagetek 4674 tape drive 9 track 1600/6250, $75 each 3 Control Data 9 track tape drives and PC controller card & cable, $275 each 2 Cipher 9 track tape drive, $250 each 1 Memorex 3693 Controller with Drive 3 Memorex 3690 Drive (IBM 3370) 2 Fujitsu M2485 (IBM 3480 type) tape drive 18 Track 1 Fujitsu M2485N CA01011-B063 36 Track with auto loader 1 Fujitsu 128 Track tape drive -- Vintage computers and electronics www.dvq.com www.tekmuseum.com www.decmuseum.org
Re: mc68010+mc68451 Unix source?
Did Unisoft distribution tapes normally include sources? m - Original Message - From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 10:21 PM Subject: Re: mc68010+mc68451 Unix source? > the will probably be 68000 > > unisoft kernels i've used weren't 010 with the 451 > > i'll have to dig around for what bits of the 451 kernel i still > have around. unisoft kept the mmu parts pretty well isolated since > the did so many hw ports > > > On 10/3/16 5:53 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: >> I've got a half dozen different source trees for mc680x0 Unixen, but >> nothing for an mc68010 CPU + mc68451 MMU. I know Unisoft did some. I >> don't know if the Motorola ports (like for the VME/10) were Unisoft or >> done internally. >> >> Did any '010+'451 source trees survive to escape into the wild? >> >> KJ >> >
Re: mc68010+mc68451 Unix source?
A quick google search found: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.m68k/-8iweTkxPNI/L2-hPrW_ryAJ mentions: I have an ancient Unix system made by ProComp in Switzerland that has a 68000 CPU, 4 MB RAM and that 68451 MMU. Unfortunately, I didn't get a hard disk or system media for this oldtimer :( It ran a port of 7th edition Unix as well as some System III variant. Would surely be nice to see Linux running on that machine ;) but I should better go and work on the MVME147 port ... https://books.google.com/books?id=cgHPkXYCnqwC&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=68451+unix&source=bl&ots=3N-UfxlPsB&sig=bl0xSPSsEchjt91QMzTJV9xPcKY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjckJDulcDPAhXEOSYKHcI6AfYQ6AEIKzAD#v=onepage&q=68451%20unix&f=false has an announcement of the Fortune Systems "Multiplier" with the 68010 and 68451 https://books.google.com/books?id=MdBP83DW6g4C&pg=RA1-PA78&lpg=RA1-PA78&dq=68451+unix&source=bl&ots=quw5PrcI0f&sig=9Y9Q3y0k31-Nh5w9F269KbvbY5A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjckJDulcDPAhXEOSYKHcI6AfYQ6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=68451%20unix&f=false mentions the DY-4 Systems Inc DSM-6816 with 68000 and 68451 at http://comp.sys.3b1.narkive.com/olPp7IM0/fs-cosmos-cms-16-unx-vintage-unix-computer-and-sun-multibus-boards Al Kossow writes that the COSMOS CMS-16/UNX has "a daughter card with 68000 and Motorola 68451 MMU is visible."
Re: mc68010+mc68451 Unix source?
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Phil Budne wrote: > > I have an ancient Unix system made by ProComp in Switzerland that has a > 68000 CPU, 4 MB RAM and that 68451 MMU. Unfortunately, I didn't get a hard > disk > or system media for this oldtimer :( It ran a port of 7th edition Unix as well > as some System III variant. Would surely be nice to see Linux running on > that machine ;) Please don't defile it like that.
Micro Fiche Library.
Hi All I have just had a huge DEC Miro Fiche library given to me. It has the portable (weighs a ton) reader with it. On trying it out. I found the results were awful. A good clean of the light path and removal of some disintegrating foam improved things no end. That left two issues: 1.The reader was for x 42 but the fiches are x52. 2.The plastic fiche holder consisting of two sheets of stiff and clear plastic connected together at one end is scratched to hell. I'd like to work to-wards scanning all of the library into a system. Anybody know anything about fiche scanners. Rod -- PDP-8/e PDP-8/f PDP-8/m PDP-8/i Front Panels ex Stock - Order Now
Re: Micro Fiche Library.
I could scan a fiche in about 10 min with an Epson transparency scanner. I think Al may have an actual digitizer but they are expensive. As to the fiche reader you got, I've never seen one with a plastic carrier. They always had glass in my case. On the one I have you can pop out the view screen, and the lens is about the size of a small microscope objective. Mine came with one for fiche, and one for aperture cards. The lenses were easy to slide out and swap. See if you find one for the scale you need for DEC on epay maybe? I am glad you have the magnification value, I've only had ones which were multiples of a base size, so 1x, 1.2x etc. The Epson I mentioned has the XP era driver to allow their software to create a template for scanning. Once you have identified the size of a page on the media, I found it easy to just move it to plop over top of each of the other images, then could scan the fiche as fast as the scanner could run. It was one of their Precision models which could do 5.7 transparancies. I created a small guide to position the fiche itself in the same spot, so I only had to build up the template once. Thanks Jim On 10/3/2016 9:49 PM, Rod Smallwood wrote: 1.The reader was for x 42 but the fiches are x52. 2.The plastic fiche holder consisting of two sheets of stiff and clear plastic connected together at one end is scratched to hell. -- Note change in email address. Please use reply-to address. TWC is changing their email and this may change again reply to is jwsm...@jwsss.com
Any updates on the 3b2 emulator?
Hello Seth, Its been a few months, and I am wondering if the 3b2 emulator project is still moving forward, or put on the back burner for now? Thanks for any updates, Jerry
