R: Looking for AS/400

[supervinx]

Can't help, since I live on the other side if the pond, but AS/400s are cool 
machines. I own a bunch of them (and some S/36s too) and I like them. OS/400 
was and is a good OS (if you have clear in mind what it can and what it can't 
do).
Meanwhile, you could request a free AS/400 access to the folks at pub1.rzkh.de 
and play with OS/400. It's fun to access such a beast from a... Smart Phone :)

 Messaggio originale 
Da: Brian Adams  
Data:07/12/2015  21:58  (GMT+01:00) 
A: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
Oggetto: Looking for AS/400 

Hi there,

Recently, I've been reading up into AS/400s.. They seem like really neat 
machines, and look really sharp with those matching block terminals.
I remember retail stores using those, and I always wondered what kind of a 
system they were running on... I figured it was DOS!

I've been having trouble locating one, however.

Anybody have one lying around, or know of where to find one in the Toronto area?
It needn't be a high spec machine, just something to play with OS/400 and a 
terminal.

Thanks!

-brian

Re: R: Looking for AS/400

[Jason T]

> Meanwhile, you could request a free AS/400 access to the folks at
pub1.rzkh.de and play with OS/400. It's fun to access such a beast from
a... Smart Phone :)

What are you using to do this?  Is there a decent 5250 client for mobile?

R: Re: R: Looking for AS/400

[supervinx]

Decent... well...
Hard to tell...
If you use an external USB mini keyboard they're decent :)
There's the free version of Mocha TN5250, just for an example...

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2015-12-07 21:14, Paul Koning wrote:



On Dec 7, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Johnny Billquist  wrote:

On 2015-12-07 20:36, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:

On 7 December 2015 at 14:29, Johnny Billquist  wrote:

I think all (modern PDP-11) OSes can install from TMSCP tapes. RSTS/E is
more picky than some others, though, if I remember right...


Yes, RSTS/E installs from TMSCP just fine (as can RSX-11/M+); I know
that in simh you can bring up Ultrix-11 3.1 only on TMSCP
(specifically a TK50), at least if you want all of the packages to
install. I've installed RSTS/E 10.1-L from MASSBUS, TS11, TM11, and
TMSCP in my various experimentation with emulation, it really doesn't
care what the tape is as long as your SYSGEN device is consistent.


Actually, RSTS/E have some issues with install if the tape isn't write locked. 
I thought it was some combo/confusion between TK50 and TK70, but it was the 
write lock issue that I sortof remembered...


That doesn't sound quite right.  RSTS/E treats a boot disk as an installation 
(kit) disk if its file system is marked as read-only.  (That's the file system 
flags, not the drive write protect button).  If you boot such a disk, it goes 
to the installation dialog rather than the system start dialog.


I have no idea how RSTS/E deals with disks. I was only talking about tapes.


If you boot from tape, you'll also (always) end up in the installation dialog 
since the assumption is that the only bootable tapes out there are install kits.


I have not done any RSTS/E installations myself, so I'm only repeating 
what others have reported multiple times. And according to several 
people, if the tape isn't write locked, the installation aborts. Google 
for it and you'll find several reports about this.


Johnny

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  ||  on a psychedelic trip
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DEC MM15 core mem found

[Jörg Hoppe]

I help cleaning out a large repository of DEC parts.
There a quantity of DEC core module assemblies appeared.
According to PDF docs these must be PDP-15 MM15's, but no labels are on 
the boards.


I show/offer some of them at
retrocmp.com/flipchipshop ,
under "core memory"

Can somebody confirm they are MM15's?
Are any PDP-15 running at all?

Thanks,
Joerg

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

[Pontus Pihlgren]

I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like 
this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to 
18 which matches the word lenght of a PDP-15.

Of course, PDP-1, -4 and -7 used 18 bit word lenght, but they were not 
made with flip-chips.

PDP-9 is made with flipchips and is 18 bit. But I seeem to recall it's 
memory looks quite different.

/P

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:58:07AM +0100, Jörg Hoppe wrote:
> I help cleaning out a large repository of DEC parts.
> There a quantity of DEC core module assemblies appeared.
> According to PDF docs these must be PDP-15 MM15's, but no labels are on the
> boards.
> 
> I show/offer some of them at
> retrocmp.com/flipchipshop ,
> under "core memory"
> 
> Can somebody confirm they are MM15's?
> Are any PDP-15 running at all?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joerg

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

[Johnny Billquist]

Careful. Some PDP-11 memory is also 18 bits wide... 16 bits plus two 
parity bits.


Johnny

On 2015-12-08 13:03, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:

I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like
this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to
18 which matches the word lenght of a PDP-15.

Of course, PDP-1, -4 and -7 used 18 bit word lenght, but they were not
made with flip-chips.

PDP-9 is made with flipchips and is 18 bit. But I seeem to recall it's
memory looks quite different.

/P

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:58:07AM +0100, Jörg Hoppe wrote:

I help cleaning out a large repository of DEC parts.
There a quantity of DEC core module assemblies appeared.
According to PDF docs these must be PDP-15 MM15's, but no labels are on the
boards.

I show/offer some of them at
retrocmp.com/flipchipshop ,
under "core memory"

Can somebody confirm they are MM15's?
Are any PDP-15 running at all?

Thanks,
Joerg

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

[Jay Jaeger]

But not these - PDP-11's didn't use dual-height connectors on memory.

Anyway, they are indeed PDP-15.  (Whether or not they are actually MM15
I don't know).  The page on the memory on the provided link indicates:

G100
G613
G614

The modules and options document on
bitsavers.org/dec/modules/modulesAndOptions sez

G100  Sense Amp & Inhibity Driver, PDP15, 3 Wire, 3D Memory
Where Used: 15

G613  X Diode Matrix, 3 Wire, 4K, 9/I  Where Used: 15
G614 X Diode Matrix, 3 Wire, 4K, 9/I Where Used: 15

JRJ

On 12/8/2015 6:14 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Careful. Some PDP-11 memory is also 18 bits wide... 16 bits plus two
> parity bits.
> 
> Johnny
> 
> On 2015-12-08 13:03, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
>> I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like
>> this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to
>> 18 which matches the word lenght of a PDP-15.
>>
>> Of course, PDP-1, -4 and -7 used 18 bit word lenght, but they were not
>> made with flip-chips.
>>
>> PDP-9 is made with flipchips and is 18 bit. But I seeem to recall it's
>> memory looks quite different.
>>
>> /P
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:58:07AM +0100, Jörg Hoppe wrote:
>>> I help cleaning out a large repository of DEC parts.
>>> There a quantity of DEC core module assemblies appeared.
>>> According to PDF docs these must be PDP-15 MM15's, but no labels are
>>> on the
>>> boards.
>>>
>>> I show/offer some of them at
>>> retrocmp.com/flipchipshop ,
>>> under "core memory"
>>>
>>> Can somebody confirm they are MM15's?
>>> Are any PDP-15 running at all?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joerg
> 
> 

Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Noel Chiappa]

So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an H960,
running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to maximize the
value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system, or to part it
out - and if the latter, how to break it up?

(No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned by
a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)

So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it to
the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the memory
separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc) is
the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others think.

Thanks for any insights!

Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[William Donzelli]

Keep it together. RL drives are pigs to ship and rather common.
Basically, they are hard to sell on their own.

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Noel Chiappa  wrote:
> So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an H960,
> running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to maximize the
> value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system, or to part it
> out - and if the latter, how to break it up?
>
> (No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned by
> a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)
>
> So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it to
> the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the memory
> separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc) is
> the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others think.
>
> Thanks for any insights!
>
> Noel

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Jay West]

Noel wrote.
-
So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an
H960, running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to
maximize the value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system,
or to part it out - and if the latter, how to break it up?

(No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned
by a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)

So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it to
the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the
memory separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc)
is the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others
think.

Thanks for any insights!


One would think that the highest revenue would be parting it out. Typically
that is true on paper. But be aware that when you're considering what price
you'd likely get for each part and the resulting grand total, after the
sought after bits are sold you are left with a pile of odds and ends that no
one wants or will take years to finally sell so that portion of cash is not
likely to materialize.

You will also attract far more eyeballs to the ad if it is a full
configuration rather than bits & pieces. As with anything, selling price all
depends on it being seen by just the right person that desperately wants the
whole system (or a specific part).

But overall my advice to maximize price is to take a two-step approach and
list it as a whole with a firm number in mind that it must sell for (or
better). If that materializes, you're done and happy. If it does not, then
go the route of parting it out.

J

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Mouse]

>> So which direction [as a whole or parting out] would get the most
>> money?

> One would think that the highest revenue would be parting it out.
> Typically that is true on paper.  But be aware that [...]

Also be aware that it will cost you people time (which usually
translates fairly directly into money, for corporations) to handle
multiple sales and multiple shipments and making sure to get just the
right pieces in each shipment and suchlike.  At least some of that
needs to be time from someone who actually knows the hardware, too;
such people tend to be more expensive than shipping-and-receiving
clerks.  If you're not careful this can eat up the prima facie price
differential from parting it out.

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Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[j...@cimmeri.com]

On 12/8/2015 9:36 AM, Jay West wrote:


Noel wrote.
-
So I know someone who has a working 11/34

...
list it as a whole with a firm number in mind that it must sell for (or
better). If that materializes, you're done and happy. If it does not, then
go the route of parting it out.

J


Just have a competitive bidding process (with a reserve amount if safety 
needed) and see what you get for the system as a whole.


Depending on resolution of part out, parting can be immense time and 
work... but if you did it in complete modules, not too bad... say CPU + 
cabinet, then just the drives separately.


- J.

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Johnny Billquist]

Why would anyone here want to contribute to such a question? The outcome 
is unlike to be contributing anything here anyway.


(Or maybe I'm just naive in thinking that people who request assistance 
to maximize their profits targeting the same crowd they ask for 
assistance from (for free) is abusive.)


Johnny

On 2015-12-08 15:09, Noel Chiappa wrote:

So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an H960,
running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to maximize the
value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system, or to part it
out - and if the latter, how to break it up?

(No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned by
a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)

So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it to
the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the memory
separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc) is
the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others think.

Thanks for any insights!

Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Johnny Billquist

> (Or maybe I'm just naive in thinking that people who request assistance
> to maximize their profits targeting the same crowd they ask for
> assistance from (for free) is abusive.)

_I_ am not selling the item in question; I merely happen to know the seller,
and am doing them a favour (since I happen to sympathize with people whose
jobs are about to disappear). I expect they will use eBay to actually sell the
item; I am fairly certain that it _will not_ be offered through this list.
So I think your statement above contains at least two mistaken assumptions.

Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[William Donzelli]

You should perhaps reread Noel's message - he is asking for someone
that may or may not have any interest in the well being of the
machine, but probably has a very strong interest in keeping their
business afloat. There are at least a few people on this list that are
experienced and qualified to help this guy out with some real,
rubber-hits-the-road advice on how to help.

Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the
active members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector
community.

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Johnny Billquist  wrote:
> Why would anyone here want to contribute to such a question? The outcome is
> unlike to be contributing anything here anyway.
>
> (Or maybe I'm just naive in thinking that people who request assistance to
> maximize their profits targeting the same crowd they ask for assistance from
> (for free) is abusive.)
>
> Johnny
>
>
> On 2015-12-08 15:09, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>>
>> So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an
>> H960,
>> running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to maximize
>> the
>> value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system, or to part
>> it
>> out - and if the latter, how to break it up?
>>
>> (No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned
>> by
>> a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)
>>
>> So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it
>> to
>> the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the
>> memory
>> separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc) is
>> the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others
>> think.
>>
>> Thanks for any insights!
>>
>> Noel
>>
>

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Jerome H. Fine]

>William Donzelli wrote:


Keep it together. RL drives are pigs to ship and rather common.
Basically, they are hard to sell on their own.


Also, be aware that the competition is not someone else selling
another PDP-11 system, but a PC running Windows which
runs the same software UNDER  Ersatz-11 much faster
and with MUCH more storage available.

I used to be in touch with an individual who also ran RSTS/E
under Ersatz-11 and it was the best decision that was ever
made.  Even if there are special non-DEC boards, it is
possible to connect either (or both) a Unibus or a Qbus
to the PC with special adapters.  Since it would be unlikely
that anyone interested in a PDP-11/34 has such a requirement,
the usual cost of running on a PC under Windows will be
quite low, even when a commercial license is also required.
If a hobby user is interested, then there is free hobby use
for Ersatz-11, so that cost can also be removed.

And, of course, if the buyer is not local and there is shipping,
that cost can be quite high.

On the other hand, ebay prices for PDP-11 equipment that
has been parted out have been much higher lately.

Jerome Fine


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Noel Chiappa  wrote:
 


So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an H960,
running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to maximize the
value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system, or to part it
out - and if the latter, how to break it up?

(No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned by
a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)

So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it to
the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the memory
separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc) is
the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others think.

Thanks for any insights!

   Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2015-12-08 16:24, Noel Chiappa wrote:

 > From: Johnny Billquist

 > (Or maybe I'm just naive in thinking that people who request assistance
 > to maximize their profits targeting the same crowd they ask for
 > assistance from (for free) is abusive.)

_I_ am not selling the item in question; I merely happen to know the seller,
and am doing them a favour (since I happen to sympathize with people whose
jobs are about to disappear). I expect they will use eBay to actually sell the
item; I am fairly certain that it _will not_ be offered through this list.
So I think your statement above contains at least two mistaken assumptions.


Please tell what those two mistaken assumptions are?
The two I think I made are:
1) They request assistance to maximize their profits targeting the crowd 
that's around here?
2) They are for free assistance in figuring out how to maximize their 
profits.


I can't see that any of those two assumptions are incorrect.

If you sympathize with them, feel free to help them. I do not see you 
helping them, just trying to get others to help them.


Johnny

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[j...@cimmeri.com]

Well, for one, I wanted to answer 
because I understand the need to 
maximize income from a sale, and happen 
to own the same equipment they're selling.


No one here has to buy this system or 
pay any more than they want to, so I 
don't see any abuse occurring.


You use the word "profit" but there's no 
profits involved here unless for 
example, they bought the machine for 
$500 and sell it for $1000.  The sale is 
a loss to them which they're trying to 
minimize (yes, I understand the "losses" 
might've been long written off by now, 
but it's still a LOSS).


- J.

On 12/8/2015 10:15 AM, Johnny Billquist 
wrote:
Why would anyone here want to 
contribute to such a question? The 
outcome is unlike to be contributing 
anything here anyway.


(Or maybe I'm just naive in thinking 
that people who request assistance to 
maximize their profits targeting the 
same crowd they ask for assistance 
from (for free) is abusive.)


Johnny

On 2015-12-08 15:09, Noel Chiappa wrote:
So I know someone who has a working 
11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an 
H960,
running RSTS/E) they want to sell, 
and they want to know how to maximize 
the
value - i.e. whether to sell it as a 
complete working system, or to part it
out - and if the latter, how to break 
it up?


(No discussion about the morality of 
parting it out, please; this is owned by
a business, and they need the money 
to pay people's salaries.)


So which direction would get the most 
money? My sense is that parting it to
the maximal degree possible (e.g. 
sell each drive separately, sell the 
memory
separately from the CPU, sell the 
feet separately from the H960, etc) is
the way to get the most money, but 
I'm interested to hear what others 
think.


Thanks for any insights!

Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2015-12-08 16:25, William Donzelli wrote:

You should perhaps reread Noel's message - he is asking for someone
that may or may not have any interest in the well being of the
machine, but probably has a very strong interest in keeping their
business afloat. There are at least a few people on this list that are
experienced and qualified to help this guy out with some real,
rubber-hits-the-road advice on how to help.

Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the
active members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector
community.


Thanks. You just made an excellent argument why I should not be on this 
list. Bye.


Johnny



--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Johnny Billquist  wrote:

Why would anyone here want to contribute to such a question? The outcome is
unlike to be contributing anything here anyway.

(Or maybe I'm just naive in thinking that people who request assistance to
maximize their profits targeting the same crowd they ask for assistance from
(for free) is abusive.)

 Johnny


On 2015-12-08 15:09, Noel Chiappa wrote:


So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an
H960,
running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to maximize
the
value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system, or to part
it
out - and if the latter, how to break it up?

(No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned
by
a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)

So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it
to
the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the
memory
separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc) is
the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others
think.

Thanks for any insights!

 Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Fred Cisin]

Do they have excess employed staff who need additional tasks created to 
keep them busy?
Do they have other use for the space?  Or do they have excess space, and 
need a way to keep the space occupied indefinitely?   Piles or boxes of 
pieces of machine take as much or more space than assembled machine, and 
some of it will be around for a long time.

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Noel
  Being in the UK the morality or otherwise is not for me 
to comment.
I have an 11/34A awaiting restoration. So I would not have a vested 
interest in its
market value. What I can't work out is why there's such an old system 
still in working order.


1.  What the heck is it doing?

2. Anybody who knew how to keep such a thing running would be aware 
of its value.


3. Terminals, Printers?

4.  I can't see any form of sale raising salary type money.

5.  If its been running for any extended period then anything
  mechanical will be worn out with little hope of repair.

6. Moving it would probably render it inoperative.

7.  Sad if its to help people but  who would want to take a risk
 on it whole in parts?

Rod




On 08/12/2015 14:09, Noel Chiappa wrote:

So I know someone who has a working 11/34 (4 RLO2's and the 11/34 in an H960,
running RSTS/E) they want to sell, and they want to know how to maximize the
value - i.e. whether to sell it as a complete working system, or to part it
out - and if the latter, how to break it up?

(No discussion about the morality of parting it out, please; this is owned by
a business, and they need the money to pay people's salaries.)

So which direction would get the most money? My sense is that parting it to
the maximal degree possible (e.g. sell each drive separately, sell the memory
separately from the CPU, sell the feet separately from the H960, etc) is
the way to get the most money, but I'm interested to hear what others think.

Thanks for any insights!

Noel

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[Paul Koning]

On 2015-12-07 20:36, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
> On 7 December 2015 at 14:29, Johnny Billquist  wrote:
>> I think all (modern PDP-11) OSes can install from TMSCP tapes. RSTS/E is
>> more picky than some others, though, if I remember right...
>> 
> Yes, RSTS/E installs from TMSCP just fine (as can RSX-11/M+); I know
> that in simh you can bring up Ultrix-11 3.1 only on TMSCP
> (specifically a TK50), at least if you want all of the packages to
> install. I've installed RSTS/E 10.1-L from MASSBUS, TS11, TM11, and
> TMSCP in my various experimentation with emulation, it really doesn't
> care what the tape is as long as your SYSGEN device is consistent.

One detail on "it doesn't care what the tape is": RSTS kits on 1/2 inch tape 
come in 800 and 1600 bpi versions.  They have different boot blocks, each of 
them designed to work with all tape drives/controllers supported on RSTS that 
support the density in question.  For example, the 1600 bpi kit doesn't boot on 
a TM11 controller, and the 800 bpi kit won't boot on a TMSCP controller.  This 
matters if you try to boot one in an emulator where physical tape density 
doens't have any meaning.

paul

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[William Donzelli]

> 4.  I can't see any form of sale raising salary type money.

Working PDP-11 systems have been fetching good money lately. We do not
know the circumstances with the business, but the sale of the system
very well could keep a tech employed for a little longer - and
sometimes that might make all the difference in the feast or famine
world of some businesses, like engineering consulting.

> 6. Moving it would probably render it inoperative.

Don't hire the American Tourister apes to move it.

--
Will

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Jay West]

Will wrote...
>Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the active 
>members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector community.

Eh, I'm fairly sure that a somewhat sizeable percentage of the people in the 
hobby most definitely DO wind up subscribing here.

J

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[Mark G. Thomas]

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 02:25:25PM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
> On 6 December 2015 at 13:24, Mark G. Thomas  wrote:
> > As much as I love old CPUs, I've lost my patience with hard disk drives.
> > I've been using AztecMonster (search ebay) CF-SCSI adapters, with several-GB
> > CF cards instead of spinning disks. The KA660 and several PDP-11/83s
> > here run reliably from CF storage. I see now there are SCSI2SD cards for
> > half the price of the AztecMonster CF adapters I've been using. These
> > might be an alternative, if they play okay with whatever q-bus SCSI
> > controller you find. Installing from SCSI CDROM and using flash
> > storage is definitely the way to go if you can get the parts.
> 
> That's great news to hear that the AztecMonster works on QBUS PDP-11s.
> I now know exactly what my future plans are...

I had mixed results with some QBUS SCSI adapters. Some played well
with the AztecMonster and some did not. Oddly, I think my Emulex UC07
was one that did not, but the CQDs and maybe one other model work fine.

> But I have a "random" question for those here. I know some of the QBUS
> (and UNIBUS) SCSI controllers can act both as an MSCP and TMSCP
> controller. (CMD CQD-220A/TM for one example.) And I know that several
> of the PDP-11 operating systems install from tape, and can install
> from TMSCP tape (hello RSTS/E). What I'd like to know is: Is there
> anything out there that can emulate a SCSI tape device on a CF card/SD
> card/USB stick/what-have-you?

So far, I've been using a DLT8000 when I've needed a sequential tape device, 
such as for the BSD2.11 install. It's been convenient to write the tape on
a Linux or Sun box, then plug it into the PDP11. All my older SCSI tape 
drives (Exabyte and DAT) have developed problems, but this DLT8000 drive 
works great.

Mark

-- 
Mark G. Thomas (m...@misty.com), KC3DRE

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[William Donzelli]

Well, no offense, and maybe it is a decent size piece of the pie, but
there are a lot that I have found are not listmembers, especially in
the big iron and (Peecee) microcomputer areas.

What is the membership size of the list?

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jay West  wrote:
> Will wrote...
>>Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the active 
>>members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector community.
>
> Eh, I'm fairly sure that a somewhat sizeable percentage of the people in the 
> hobby most definitely DO wind up subscribing here.
>
> J
>
>

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Jay West]

Last I checked, which was quite some time ago, it was in the mid-hundreds.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William 
Donzelli
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:47 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

Well, no offense, and maybe it is a decent size piece of the pie, but there are 
a lot that I have found are not listmembers, especially in the big iron and 
(Peecee) microcomputer areas.

What is the membership size of the list?

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jay West  wrote:
> Will wrote...
>>Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the active 
>>members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector community.
>
> Eh, I'm fairly sure that a somewhat sizeable percentage of the people in the 
> hobby most definitely DO wind up subscribing here.
>
> J
>
>

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[devin davison]

Connecting a scsi dlt or dat drive is something i had not considered. I
thought i would have had to buy and use DEC branded tape drives.

I already have a scsi dat and DLT drive in use on my SGI octane.  I could
probally write the image with the octane and then move the drive over to
the microvax to install.

Hopefully the DLT drive will be supported. the dat drive i have seems
finicky at it's best.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Mark G. Thomas  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 02:25:25PM -0500, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
> > On 6 December 2015 at 13:24, Mark G. Thomas  wrote:
> > > As much as I love old CPUs, I've lost my patience with hard disk
> drives.
> > > I've been using AztecMonster (search ebay) CF-SCSI adapters, with
> several-GB
> > > CF cards instead of spinning disks. The KA660 and several PDP-11/83s
> > > here run reliably from CF storage. I see now there are SCSI2SD cards
> for
> > > half the price of the AztecMonster CF adapters I've been using. These
> > > might be an alternative, if they play okay with whatever q-bus SCSI
> > > controller you find. Installing from SCSI CDROM and using flash
> > > storage is definitely the way to go if you can get the parts.
> >
> > That's great news to hear that the AztecMonster works on QBUS PDP-11s.
> > I now know exactly what my future plans are...
>
> I had mixed results with some QBUS SCSI adapters. Some played well
> with the AztecMonster and some did not. Oddly, I think my Emulex UC07
> was one that did not, but the CQDs and maybe one other model work fine.
>
> > But I have a "random" question for those here. I know some of the QBUS
> > (and UNIBUS) SCSI controllers can act both as an MSCP and TMSCP
> > controller. (CMD CQD-220A/TM for one example.) And I know that several
> > of the PDP-11 operating systems install from tape, and can install
> > from TMSCP tape (hello RSTS/E). What I'd like to know is: Is there
> > anything out there that can emulate a SCSI tape device on a CF card/SD
> > card/USB stick/what-have-you?
>
> So far, I've been using a DLT8000 when I've needed a sequential tape
> device,
> such as for the BSD2.11 install. It's been convenient to write the tape on
> a Linux or Sun box, then plug it into the PDP11. All my older SCSI tape
> drives (Exabyte and DAT) have developed problems, but this DLT8000 drive
> works great.
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark G. Thomas (m...@misty.com), KC3DRE
>

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Jay West]

Ok, and please invite those big iron and non-whiteboxPC folks here when you 
find they aren't on the list ;)

J

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William 
Donzelli
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:47 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

Well, no offense, and maybe it is a decent size piece of the pie, but there are 
a lot that I have found are not listmembers, especially in the big iron and 
(Peecee) microcomputer areas.

What is the membership size of the list?

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jay West  wrote:
> Will wrote...
>>Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the active 
>>members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector community.
>
> Eh, I'm fairly sure that a somewhat sizeable percentage of the people in the 
> hobby most definitely DO wind up subscribing here.
>
> J
>
>

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[William Donzelli]

I think your slice of the pie just got smaller in my mind.

The community is a lot bigger than you realize. A wild guess might be
in the few thousands by now.

This is not a slam, just an observation.

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Jay West  wrote:
> Last I checked, which was quite some time ago, it was in the mid-hundreds.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William 
> Donzelli
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:47 AM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
> Subject: Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34
>
> Well, no offense, and maybe it is a decent size piece of the pie, but there 
> are a lot that I have found are not listmembers, especially in the big iron 
> and (Peecee) microcomputer areas.
>
> What is the membership size of the list?
>
> --
> Will
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jay West  wrote:
>> Will wrote...
>>>Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the active 
>>>members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector community.
>>
>> Eh, I'm fairly sure that a somewhat sizeable percentage of the people in the 
>> hobby most definitely DO wind up subscribing here.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[William Donzelli]

I mention it to many of my customers and other contacts, and quite a
lot either do not know, or know and are just not members. I suppose
the PeeCee crowd is mostly on the forum, but the big iron people
mostly keep to themselves.

I suppose there are quite a few people, myself included, that would
like to be on many lists for many varied interests, and just can not
spend the resources with all of them. so some lists just do not make
the cut. I could be on 25, maybe 35 different lists of all sorts, but
I keep it down to just 5 or 6, due to limited time and brain.

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Jay West  wrote:
> Ok, and please invite those big iron and non-whiteboxPC folks here when you 
> find they aren't on the list ;)
>
> J
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of William 
> Donzelli
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:47 AM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
> Subject: Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34
>
> Well, no offense, and maybe it is a decent size piece of the pie, but there 
> are a lot that I have found are not listmembers, especially in the big iron 
> and (Peecee) microcomputer areas.
>
> What is the membership size of the list?
>
> --
> Will
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jay West  wrote:
>> Will wrote...
>>>Also, keep in mind that the membership of this list (especially the active 
>>>members) is just a small fraction of the computer collector community.
>>
>> Eh, I'm fairly sure that a somewhat sizeable percentage of the people in the 
>> hobby most definitely DO wind up subscribing here.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Chris Osborn]

On Dec 8, 2015, at 9:55 AM, William Donzelli  wrote:

> The community is a lot bigger than you realize. A wild guess might be
> in the few thousands by now.

I've got 13,000 on RetroBattlestations and I doubt very many of them know about 
the cctalk mailing list.

--
Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx
Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com

List vs. community size

[William Donzelli]

> I've got 13,000 on RetroBattlestations and I doubt very many of them know 
> about the cctalk mailing list.

Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd
really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.

--
Will

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

[Toby Thain]

On 2015-12-08 2:16 AM, Oliver Lehmann wrote:

Hi Warner, hi Brad,
...
I don't intend to use this harddrive anyway, I just fear that I made a
misstake in my circuit or the code and others intending to use my
emulator also experiencing problems with their drives too.


Well, it's certainly interesting. I'm curious now whether your WDC 
AC31600H would work with my PIC code. :)


--Toby



Regards,
Oliver

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Jay West]

Will wrote...
---
I think your slice of the pie just got smaller in my mind.

The community is a lot bigger than you realize. A wild guess might be in the 
few thousands by now.

This is not a slam, just an observation.

Once cctalk and cctech are recombined, I suspect it will be a sizeable portion 
of what you mention :)

J

RE: List vs. community size

[Jay West]

Chris wrote...
> I've got 13,000 on RetroBattlestations and I doubt very many of them know 
> about the cctalk mailing list.

To which Will replied...
>Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd really 
>does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.

Yep, 13,000 is both impressive and commendable. However, can't compare the two 
as the focus really isn't the same at all.

Wasn't "retrobattlestations" where some "person" was happy about "modding" a HP 
21MX into an raspi ntp server?

J

Re: List vs. community size

[ethan]

Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd
really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.


Scanning the front page of retrobattlestations, SOL-20, DEC 1957 
documentary, C64, POSIX Maze War, Vic 20...


Yep full of PC stuff!

--
Ethan O'Toole

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[COURYHOUSE]

bah! sacrilege! 
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 8:30:58 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
b...@update.uu.se writes:

sell the  feet separately from the H960, etc) is
>>> the way to get the most  money, 

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Noel Chiappa]

> bah! sacrilege! 

So you've got someone working for you, been working for you for years, and
you think it's more important to not commit the sacrilege of splitting up an
H960 and its feet, rather than to have to tell them they're fired, that they
have to go home and tell their spouse and kids that their parent doesn't have
a job any more? Excuse me if I don't agree.

Noel

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Jay West]

Ed#wrote
-
bah! sacrilege! 
-

While I understand the sentiment c'mon... Noel presented clear and
reasonable request to forgo the judgement and assist him. Let's not
degenerate to "oh, the horrorr".

J

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Rik Bos]

Hmm, 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: "Noel Chiappa" 
Verzonden: ‎8-‎12-‎2015 20:19
Aan: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" 
CC: "j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" 
Onderwerp: Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

> bah! sacrilege! 

So you've got someone working for you, been working for you for years, and
you think it's more important to not commit the sacrilege of splitting up an
H960 and its feet, rather than to have to tell them they're fired, that they
have to go home and tell their spouse and kids that their parent doesn't have
a job any more? Excuse me if I don't agree.

Noel

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[Chuck Guzis]

On 12/08/2015 09:50 AM, devin davison wrote:


Hopefully the DLT drive will be supported. the dat drive i have
seems finicky at it's best.



That, at least in theory, is the great thing about SCSI--it doesn't 
matter what the device is, so long as it implements a set of basic SCSI 
device-class commands.


So a 9-track open-reel SCSI drive should work just as well as a DDS, 
DLT, SLT drive.


--Chuck

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Rik Bos]

Mmm, of your business depends on the value of a vintage computer. You should 
ask yourself if your business can survive anyway. 


-Rik

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: "Noel Chiappa" 
Verzonden: ‎8-‎12-‎2015 20:19
Aan: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" 
CC: "j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" 
Onderwerp: Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

> bah! sacrilege! 

So you've got someone working for you, been working for you for years, and
you think it's more important to not commit the sacrilege of splitting up an
H960 and its feet, rather than to have to tell them they're fired, that they
have to go home and tell their spouse and kids that their parent doesn't have
a job any more? Excuse me if I don't agree.

Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[COURYHOUSE]

I seriously doubt the splitting of the  H960 from its feet or   not  will 
influence the outcome of a job position.
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 12:24:16 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
hp-...@xs4all.nl writes:

Hmm,  

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: "Noel Chiappa"  
Verzonden: ‎8-‎12-‎2015 20:19
Aan:  "cctalk@classiccmp.org" 
CC:  "j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" 
Onderwerp: Re:  Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

> bah!  sacrilege! 

So you've got someone working for you, been working for you  for years, and
you think it's more important to not commit the sacrilege of  splitting up 
an
H960 and its feet, rather than to have to tell them they're  fired, that 
they
have to go home and tell their spouse and kids that their  parent doesn't 
have
a job any more? Excuse me if I don't  agree.

Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[COURYHOUSE]

Bingo.
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 12:29:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
hp-...@xs4all.nl writes:

Mmm, of  your business depends on the value of a vintage computer. You 
should ask  yourself if your business can survive anyway.  


-Rik

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: "Noel  Chiappa" 
Verzonden: ‎8-‎12-‎2015  20:19
Aan: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" 
CC:  "j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu" 
Onderwerp: Re:  Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

> bah!  sacrilege! 

So you've got someone working for you, been working for you  for years, and
you think it's more important to not commit the sacrilege of  splitting up 
an
H960 and its feet, rather than to have to tell them they're  fired, that 
they
have to go home and tell their spouse and kids that their  parent doesn't 
have
a job any more? Excuse me if I don't  agree.

Noel

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[william degnan]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Rik Bos  wrote:

> Mmm, of your business depends on the value of a vintage computer. You
> should ask yourself if your business can survive anyway.
>
>
>
>
Noel *has* my 11/34 ... and I sold another one a few years ago.
Fortunately there are still a few out there and many still run.

-- 
Bill

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[Ethan Dicks]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Paul Koning  wrote:
> One detail on "it doesn't care what the tape is": RSTS kits on 1/2 inch tape 
> come
> in 800 and 1600 bpi versions.  They have different boot blocks, each of them
> designed to work with all tape drives/controllers supported on RSTS that
> support the density in question.  For example, the 1600 bpi kit doesn't boot
> on a TM11 controller, and the 800 bpi kit won't boot on a TMSCP controller.

I remember TM and TS boot issues from the 80s when we were running RSTS
on an assortment of 11/24 and 11/34 hardware and having to migrate tape
controllers and tape drives from place to place for the installs (TMB11 + TS03,
MS11 + TU80...)  I still have a couple of boxes of 800bpi small reels we used
on that TS03.

>  This matters if you try to boot one in an emulator where physical tape 
> density doens't have any meaning.

Hadn't considered the implications, but sure... you would have to completely
emulate the original gear or the stars won't align.

-ethan

RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Rik Bos]

To answer to that, I think selling it in complete units like disc complete with 
controller and complete CPU etc. will get you the most.IMHO selling single 
boards won't get you much more money.

-Rik

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: "Jay West" 
Verzonden: ‎8-‎12-‎2015 20:23
Aan: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" 

Onderwerp: RE: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34


Ed#wrote
-
bah! sacrilege! 
-

While I understand the sentiment c'mon... Noel presented clear and
reasonable request to forgo the judgement and assist him. Let's not
degenerate to "oh, the horrorr".

J

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[William Donzelli]

> Mmm, of your business depends on the value of a vintage computer. You should 
> ask yourself if your business can survive anyway.

We know nothing of the business situation. small consulting firms are
notorious for having huge swings in cash flow. It may be that the
business in question really is dying, or they may have a monster sized
check "in the mail" from a client, and the owner just needs some cash
to get over the holiday.

A close relative of mine has a small consulting firm, and she goes
through periods of months with no money coming in, even with clients
owing her six figures in payments. Some clients (governments, mostly)
can take a year to pay!

--
Will

Re: DEC MM15 core mem found

[Mattis Lind]

2015-12-08 15:01 GMT+01:00 Jay Jaeger :

> But not these - PDP-11's didn't use dual-height connectors on memory.
>
> Anyway, they are indeed PDP-15.  (Whether or not they are actually MM15
> I don't know).  The page on the memory on the provided link indicates:
>
> G100
> G613
> G614
>
> The modules and options document on
> bitsavers.org/dec/modules/modulesAndOptions sez
>
> G100  Sense Amp & Inhibity Driver, PDP15, 3 Wire, 3D Memory
> Where Used: 15
>
> G613  X Diode Matrix, 3 Wire, 4K, 9/I  Where Used: 15
> G614 X Diode Matrix, 3 Wire, 4K, 9/I Where Used: 15
>

I also happen to have a few that need a new home - I have no PDP-15. Trade
for something interesting...

http://i.imgur.com/6xplRge.jpg



>
> JRJ
>
> On 12/8/2015 6:14 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> > Careful. Some PDP-11 memory is also 18 bits wide... 16 bits plus two
> > parity bits.
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> > On 2015-12-08 13:03, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
> >> I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like
> >> this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to
> >> 18 which matches the word lenght of a PDP-15.
> >>
> >> Of course, PDP-1, -4 and -7 used 18 bit word lenght, but they were not
> >> made with flip-chips.
> >>
> >> PDP-9 is made with flipchips and is 18 bit. But I seeem to recall it's
> >> memory looks quite different.
> >>
> >> /P
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 11:58:07AM +0100, Jörg Hoppe wrote:
> >>> I help cleaning out a large repository of DEC parts.
> >>> There a quantity of DEC core module assemblies appeared.
> >>> According to PDF docs these must be PDP-15 MM15's, but no labels are
> >>> on the
> >>> boards.
> >>>
> >>> I show/offer some of them at
> >>> retrocmp.com/flipchipshop ,
> >>> under "core memory"
> >>>
> >>> Can somebody confirm they are MM15's?
> >>> Are any PDP-15 running at all?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Joerg
> >
> >
>

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[COURYHOUSE]

yea  but  I  doubt a pair of  H960 feet would be a  make or break  for 
her...   just  'sayin
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 12:37:21 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
wdonze...@gmail.com writes:

>  Mmm, of your business depends on the value of a vintage computer. You 
should  ask yourself if your business can survive anyway.

We know nothing of  the business situation. small consulting firms are
notorious for having  huge swings in cash flow. It may be that the
business in question really is  dying, or they may have a monster sized
check "in the mail" from a client,  and the owner just needs some cash
to get over the holiday.

A close  relative of mine has a small consulting firm, and she goes
through periods  of months with no money coming in, even with clients
owing her six figures  in payments. Some clients (governments, mostly)
can take a year to  pay!

--
Will

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Re: Re: R: Looking for AS/400

[Eric Christopherson]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:27 AM, supervinx  wrote:

> Decent... well...
> Hard to tell...
> If you use an external USB mini keyboard they're decent :)
> There's the free version of Mocha TN5250, just for an example...
>

I remember using a 5250 emulator to check prices and inventory and submit
labels to print on a Symbol handheld running PocketPC OS (or whatever it
might have been called at that time). A, good times.

-- 
Eric Christopherson

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Mike Stein]

If there are enough potential buyers of a system's parts to justify breaking it 
up, and assuming that at least some of them actually need them, then doesn't it 
make as much or more sense to restore several systems back to life instead of 
keeping just one together? If you happen to get more for the parts, that's a 
bonus.

Then there's the issue that today's shipping costs of anything substantial 
either discourages some potential buyers of the whole system or at least lowers 
what they're willing or able to pay for it. In the past I've had no serious 
offers at all for a heavy S-100 system but would have had no trouble at all 
selling the cards and drives for more than the system would have brought IMO.

I've also seen people pay the price for a whole system because they need a 
particular part and ask the seller to just ship the part and 
keep/resell/recycle the rest.

m

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34


> bah! sacrilege! 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/8/2015 8:30:58 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
> b...@update.uu.se writes:
> 
> sell the  feet separately from the H960, etc) is
 the way to get the most  money,

Re: Maximizing value selling a working 11/34

[Noel Chiappa]

> I seriously doubt the splitting of the H960 from its feet or not will
> influence the outcome of a job position.

I don't know, because I don't know enough about their exact financial state.

But it doesn't matter, for two reasons: First, given that it's for a good
cause, it shouldn't matter; it will help, that's all one needs to know.
Second, even if it weren't for a good cause, "the splitting of the H960 from
its feet" is - or should be - No Big Deal anyway. It's not like the parts are
going to be melted down, or anything; they will just be re-arranged.

So someone who has e.g. a three-bay system, with feet on the two end
cabinets, would probably be quite happy with a fourth bay without feet. And
at the same time, someone who has a one-bay system with no feet would
probably be ecstatic to finally find feet. Everyone's happy, all the parts
are in good homes; where, exactly, is the problem?

Noel

Re: List vs. community size

[Ian Finder]

 > Wasn't "retrobattlestations" where some "person" was happy about
"modding" a HP 21MX into an raspi ntp server?

That's the place, yes.
I think CCtalk is a representative sample of most of the "serious"
collectors, whatever that means.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Jay West  wrote:

> Chris wrote...
> > I've got 13,000 on RetroBattlestations and I doubt very many of them
> know about the cctalk mailing list.
>
> To which Will replied...
> >Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd
> really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.
>
> Yep, 13,000 is both impressive and commendable. However, can't compare the
> two as the focus really isn't the same at all.
>
> Wasn't "retrobattlestations" where some "person" was happy about "modding"
> a HP 21MX into an raspi ntp server?
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

[Oliver Lehmann]

Toby Thain  wrote:


On 2015-12-08 2:16 AM, Oliver Lehmann wrote:

Hi Warner, hi Brad,
...
I don't intend to use this harddrive anyway, I just fear that I made a
misstake in my circuit or the code and others intending to use my
emulator also experiencing problems with their drives too.


Well, it's certainly interesting. I'm curious now whether your WDC  
AC31600H would work with my PIC code. :)


I checked it now with an old 486-DX50 EISA+VLB board (rare combination ;))
with a Goldstar Prime 2 and an Acer M5105 ISA Controller. Both detect and
work fine with this harddisk. No idea what mode they work but I guess it
is PIO 0-whatever only - no DMA involved

Damn this drives me nuts either I accept it, or I get a logic analyzer
but the cost of such a thing. :/

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

[Oliver Lehmann]

Oliver Lehmann  wrote:


Toby Thain  wrote:


On 2015-12-08 2:16 AM, Oliver Lehmann wrote:

Hi Warner, hi Brad,
...
I don't intend to use this harddrive anyway, I just fear that I made a
misstake in my circuit or the code and others intending to use my
emulator also experiencing problems with their drives too.


Well, it's certainly interesting. I'm curious now whether your WDC  
AC31600H would work with my PIC code. :)


I checked it now with an old 486-DX50 EISA+VLB board (rare combination ;))
with a Goldstar Prime 2 and an Acer M5105 ISA Controller. Both detect and
work fine with this harddisk. No idea what mode they work but I guess it
is PIO 0-whatever only - no DMA involved

Damn this drives me nuts either I accept it, or I get a logic analyzer
but the cost of such a thing. :/


But - if the flanks or the timing would not be right - how could the IDENTIFY
command work without any error? If the flanks would not be straight or /RD is
not active long enough or whatever - shouldnt return the IDENTIFY an error as
well? I'd say so..

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

[Steven Hirsch]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Oliver Lehmann wrote:


I checked it now with an old 486-DX50 EISA+VLB board (rare combination ;))
with a Goldstar Prime 2 and an Acer M5105 ISA Controller. Both detect and
work fine with this harddisk. No idea what mode they work but I guess it
is PIO 0-whatever only - no DMA involved

Damn this drives me nuts either I accept it, or I get a logic analyzer
but the cost of such a thing. :/


There are some Chinese logic analyzers on eBay for well under $100. No 
idea how well they work.



--

RE: List vs. community size

[Paul Birkel]

Alas:  http://i.imgur.com/qhnK1JA.jpg

https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/3i1rk5/turned_it_into_a_time_server_and_binary_clock/
 

It's the binary clock that really seals-the-deal :-<.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ian Finder
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:28 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: List vs. community size

 > Wasn't "retrobattlestations" where some "person" was happy about "modding" a 
 > HP 21MX into an raspi ntp server?

That's the place, yes.
I think CCtalk is a representative sample of most of the "serious"
collectors, whatever that means.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Jay West  wrote:

> Chris wrote...
> > I've got 13,000 on RetroBattlestations and I doubt very many of them
> know about the cctalk mailing list.
>
> To which Will replied...
> >Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd
> really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.
>
> Yep, 13,000 is both impressive and commendable. However, can't compare 
> the two as the focus really isn't the same at all.
>
> Wasn't "retrobattlestations" where some "person" was happy about "modding"
> a HP 21MX into an raspi ntp server?
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2015-12-08 17:02, Paul Koning wrote:



On 2015-12-07 20:36, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:

On 7 December 2015 at 14:29, Johnny Billquist  wrote:

I think all (modern PDP-11) OSes can install from TMSCP tapes. RSTS/E is
more picky than some others, though, if I remember right...


Yes, RSTS/E installs from TMSCP just fine (as can RSX-11/M+); I know
that in simh you can bring up Ultrix-11 3.1 only on TMSCP
(specifically a TK50), at least if you want all of the packages to
install. I've installed RSTS/E 10.1-L from MASSBUS, TS11, TM11, and
TMSCP in my various experimentation with emulation, it really doesn't
care what the tape is as long as your SYSGEN device is consistent.


One detail on "it doesn't care what the tape is": RSTS kits on 1/2 inch tape 
come in 800 and 1600 bpi versions.  They have different boot blocks, each of them 
designed to work with all tape drives/controllers supported on RSTS that support the 
density in question.  For example, the 1600 bpi kit doesn't boot on a TM11 controller, 
and the 800 bpi kit won't boot on a TMSCP controller.  This matters if you try to boot 
one in an emulator where physical tape density doens't have any meaning.


Unsubscribed from cctalk now, so I'm not sure if this will get through 
or not.


The RSX installation tape should boot from all tape devices, no matter 
what density. The disk boot blocks are somewhat more specific. MSCP sits 
together with massbus and RK06/RK07. RK05, RL01/02, RP02/03 as well as 
P/OS drivers are separate boot blocks. Of those, only the RL02 is 
actually supported by M+. So in practice, you only see one of two disk 
boot blocks around for M+. 11M use pretty much anything, I'd think.


Johnny

RE: Looking for AS/400

[Brian Adams]

Yeah, I've got an account on an AS/400 right now. I like the OS, I probably 
couldn't do anything useful with it, but I like the look.
But having an account on a remote system isn't the same as a physical system, 
ya know? And I don't have QSECOFR access of course.

Maybe I can find one at a surplus or recycler, mm.

-Brian

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of supervinx
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 3:25 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: R: Looking for AS/400

Can't help, since I live on the other side if the pond, but AS/400s are cool 
machines. I own a bunch of them (and some S/36s too) and I like them. OS/400 
was and is a good OS (if you have clear in mind what it can and what it can't 
do).
Meanwhile, you could request a free AS/400 access to the folks at pub1.rzkh.de 
and play with OS/400. It's fun to access such a beast from a... Smart Phone :)

 Messaggio originale 
Da: Brian Adams  
Data:07/12/2015  21:58  (GMT+01:00) 
A: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
Oggetto: Looking for AS/400 

Hi there,

Recently, I've been reading up into AS/400s.. They seem like really neat 
machines, and look really sharp with those matching block terminals.
I remember retail stores using those, and I always wondered what kind of a 
system they were running on... I figured it was DOS!

I've been having trouble locating one, however.

Anybody have one lying around, or know of where to find one in the Toronto area?
It needn't be a high spec machine, just something to play with OS/400 and a 
terminal.

Thanks!

-brian

RE: List vs. community size

[Brian Adams]

Yeah, ugh that post was baad.

-brian

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:27 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' 
Subject: RE: List vs. community size

Chris wrote...
> I've got 13,000 on RetroBattlestations and I doubt very many of them know 
> about the cctalk mailing list.

To which Will replied...
>Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd really 
>does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.

Yep, 13,000 is both impressive and commendable. However, can't compare the two 
as the focus really isn't the same at all.

Wasn't "retrobattlestations" where some "person" was happy about "modding" a HP 
21MX into an raspi ntp server?

J

RE: List vs. community size

[Brian Adams]

Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on there!

It's been slow recently, not many posts, and boring stuff.

-brian

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of et...@757.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:29 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: List vs. community size

> Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd 
> really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.

Scanning the front page of retrobattlestations, SOL-20, DEC 1957 documentary, 
C64, POSIX Maze War, Vic 20...

Yep full of PC stuff!

--
Ethan O'Toole

Re: SCSI Questions (Was: "Re: Purchased a Microvax 3800")

[devin davison]

"So a 9-track open-reel SCSI drive should work just as well as a DDS, DLT,
SLT drive."

Oh wow. i had not even considered that. I have a pdp 11 with a beast of a 9
track tape drive in is's own rack, that would be interesting if i could get
a scsi tape drive for the vax and use some big tapes to move data between
the two.


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Johnny Billquist  wrote:

> On 2015-12-08 17:02, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-12-07 20:36, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 December 2015 at 14:29, Johnny Billquist  wrote:
>>>
 I think all (modern PDP-11) OSes can install from TMSCP tapes. RSTS/E is
 more picky than some others, though, if I remember right...

 Yes, RSTS/E installs from TMSCP just fine (as can RSX-11/M+); I know
>>> that in simh you can bring up Ultrix-11 3.1 only on TMSCP
>>> (specifically a TK50), at least if you want all of the packages to
>>> install. I've installed RSTS/E 10.1-L from MASSBUS, TS11, TM11, and
>>> TMSCP in my various experimentation with emulation, it really doesn't
>>> care what the tape is as long as your SYSGEN device is consistent.
>>>
>>
>> One detail on "it doesn't care what the tape is": RSTS kits on 1/2 inch
>> tape come in 800 and 1600 bpi versions.  They have different boot blocks,
>> each of them designed to work with all tape drives/controllers supported on
>> RSTS that support the density in question.  For example, the 1600 bpi kit
>> doesn't boot on a TM11 controller, and the 800 bpi kit won't boot on a
>> TMSCP controller.  This matters if you try to boot one in an emulator where
>> physical tape density doens't have any meaning.
>>
>
> Unsubscribed from cctalk now, so I'm not sure if this will get through or
> not.
>
> The RSX installation tape should boot from all tape devices, no matter
> what density. The disk boot blocks are somewhat more specific. MSCP sits
> together with massbus and RK06/RK07. RK05, RL01/02, RP02/03 as well as P/OS
> drivers are separate boot blocks. Of those, only the RL02 is actually
> supported by M+. So in practice, you only see one of two disk boot blocks
> around for M+. 11M use pretty much anything, I'd think.
>
> Johnny
>
>

Re: List vs. community size

[Chris Osborn]

On Dec 8, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Brian Adams  wrote:

> Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on 
> there!

Would really love to see some of the big iron playing music through an AM radio 
since it's Holiday Music Week on RetroBattlestations right now.

--
Follow me on twitter: @FozzTexx
Check out my blog: http://insentricity.com

RE: List vs. community size

[rar]

My kewl pictures from the System Source Computer Museum

http://www.syssrc.com/linlee/

The home page for the museum is at http://museum.syssrc.com

Bob Roswell
brosw...@syssrc.com


-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Brian Adams
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:46 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: List vs. community size

Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on there!

It's been slow recently, not many posts, and boring stuff.

-brian

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of et...@757.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:29 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: List vs. community size

> Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd 
> really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.

Scanning the front page of retrobattlestations, SOL-20, DEC 1957 documentary, 
C64, POSIX Maze War, Vic 20...

Yep full of PC stuff!

--
Ethan O'Toole

RE: List vs. community size

[JP Hindin]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Brian Adams wrote:

Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on there!

It's been slow recently, not many posts, and boring stuff.


So I post a picture of my workshop with 13 racks, including half a dozen 
SGI Onyx2, a pair of SunFire 6800s, a Cray J98, a Sun E1, and a bunch 
of PDP11s, VAXes, Sun E450s/E4000s/386i, Sun 4/470s, MicroPDPs, 
MicroVAXes, oh, and an nCube2... and it's boring?


(http://imgur.com/LRkTseU)

Harsh, man.

 - JP



-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of et...@757.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:29 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: List vs. community size


Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd
really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.


Scanning the front page of retrobattlestations, SOL-20, DEC 1957 documentary, 
C64, POSIX Maze War, Vic 20...

Yep full of PC stuff!

--
Ethan O'Toole

Re: List vs. community size

[Ian Finder]

Ah shuddap JP, you Ncube2 stealing SOB :)

But seriously I posted a BLIT a while back - That crowd just seems to care
more about the Nth C64 or Apple II than the 'real' retro stuff.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:26 PM, JP Hindin  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Brian Adams wrote:
>
>> Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on
>> there!
>>
>> It's been slow recently, not many posts, and boring stuff.
>>
>
> So I post a picture of my workshop with 13 racks, including half a dozen
> SGI Onyx2, a pair of SunFire 6800s, a Cray J98, a Sun E1, and a bunch
> of PDP11s, VAXes, Sun E450s/E4000s/386i, Sun 4/470s, MicroPDPs, MicroVAXes,
> oh, and an nCube2... and it's boring?
>
> (http://imgur.com/LRkTseU)
>
> Harsh, man.
>
>  - JP
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
>> et...@757.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:29 PM
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> Subject: Re: List vs. community size
>>
>> Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd
>>> really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.
>>>
>>
>> Scanning the front page of retrobattlestations, SOL-20, DEC 1957
>> documentary, C64, POSIX Maze War, Vic 20...
>>
>> Yep full of PC stuff!
>>
>> --
>> Ethan O'Toole
>>
>>
>>


-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: List vs. community size

[Kyle Owen]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Chris Osborn  wrote:
>
> Would really love to see some of the big iron playing music through an AM
> radio since it's Holiday Music Week on RetroBattlestations right now.
>

I've got a tune written up and ready to record on the PDP-8/M. I'll do that
tonight!

Kyle

Re: IDE knowledge anyone?

[Oliver Lehmann]

Oliver Lehmann  wrote:


Oliver Lehmann  wrote:


Toby Thain  wrote:


On 2015-12-08 2:16 AM, Oliver Lehmann wrote:

Hi Warner, hi Brad,
...
I don't intend to use this harddrive anyway, I just fear that I made a
misstake in my circuit or the code and others intending to use my
emulator also experiencing problems with their drives too.


Well, it's certainly interesting. I'm curious now whether your WDC  
AC31600H would work with my PIC code. :)


I checked it now with an old 486-DX50 EISA+VLB board (rare combination ;))
with a Goldstar Prime 2 and an Acer M5105 ISA Controller. Both detect and
work fine with this harddisk. No idea what mode they work but I guess it
is PIO 0-whatever only - no DMA involved

Damn this drives me nuts either I accept it, or I get a logic analyzer
but the cost of such a thing. :/


But - if the flanks or the timing would not be right - how could the IDENTIFY
command work without any error? If the flanks would not be straight or /RD is
not active long enough or whatever - shouldnt return the IDENTIFY an error as
well? I'd say so..


I just changed the "READ" command to a "FORMAT" command and now the  
drive wants

me to fill up the sector buffer (which I don't do) but at least the command is
accepted and does not immediatly return ERR what the heck?

Read Buffer also works after the read-command-error - but now idea if  
the buffer

contains anything which could help me here

7a424c0c10e158023f001000
0e004457572d3254393839313032
3139203420202020030116003332
312e5536333744572043434131333036
48302020202020202020202020202020
20202020202020202020202020201080
002f80020200
0001406b3704
030078007800a0007800

...

7800

No idea what this gives me the contents are reproducable

RE: DEC MM15 core mem found

[Rich Alderson]

From: Pontus Pihlgren
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:03 AM

> I've seen a memory assembly from a PDP-15 and it looks very much like 
> this. Also, if each connector pair corresponds to one bit it adds up to 
> 18 which matches the word lenght of a PDP-15.

> Of course, PDP-1, -4 and -7 used 18 bit word lenght, but they were not 
> made with flip-chips.

Flip Chip technology was invented for the PDP-7, after the failure of the
large System Modules used in the PDP-6.  The only part of the PDP-7 which
uses System Modules(TM) is the DECtape controller for the 555 DECtape
drives.

If you'd like to visit the museum, I'll happily show you the internals of
a running PDP-7. :-)

Rich


Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134

mailto:ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org

http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

RE: List vs. community size

[ethan]

So I post a picture of my workshop with 13 racks, including half a dozen SGI 
Onyx2, a pair of SunFire 6800s, a Cray J98, a Sun E1, and a bunch of 
PDP11s, VAXes, Sun E450s/E4000s/386i, Sun 4/470s, MicroPDPs, MicroVAXes, oh, 
and an nCube2... and it's boring?


Cray J90 series!
Does it run!? I have a J932SE and the OS core dumps on install. The media 
I copied was from unknown origin so I'm not sure the version of Unicos I 
have should run on it or not. It's been a while, figured I would end up 
selling it at some point (it competed with my arcade/pinball hobby.) Might 
put it back on eBay it gets a lot of views but no one serious has stepped 
up.


I had a full rack O2K, my favorite large computer!


I can't wait for the housing bubble in the USA to explode then it will be 
possible to get a place big enough to do something like that!



--
Ethan O'Toole

RE: List vs. community size

[Jay West]

It was written
--
Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on
there!
--

"Kewl" machines? Yeah, keep that traffic elsewhere.

J

Re: List vs. community size

[William Donzelli]

Yes, keep the kewl machines elsewhere. Our machines are groovy, far
out, or maybe even the Bomb.

--
Will

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Jay West  wrote:
> It was written
> --
> Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on
> there!
> --
>
> "Kewl" machines? Yeah, keep that traffic elsewhere.
>
> J
>
>

Re: List vs. community size

[Chuck Guzis]

On 12/08/2015 02:23 PM, William Donzelli wrote:

Yes, keep the kewl machines elsewhere. Our machines are groovy, far
out, or maybe even the Bomb.



You forgot "rad" and "neat".

Outasite,
--Chuck

Re: List vs. community size

[Jason T]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Chuck Guzis  wrote:
> On 12/08/2015 02:23 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>>
>> Yes, keep the kewl machines elsewhere. Our machines are groovy, far
>> out, or maybe even the Bomb.
>
>
>
> You forgot "rad" and "neat".

Certain Crays were "totally tubular."

Re: List vs. community size

[Josh Dersch]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Jason T  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Chuck Guzis  wrote:
> > On 12/08/2015 02:23 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, keep the kewl machines elsewhere. Our machines are groovy, far
> >> out, or maybe even the Bomb.
> >
> >
> >
> > You forgot "rad" and "neat".
>
> Certain Crays were "totally tubular."
>

A lot of these old machines are "smokin'".  At least if you don't test the
power supplies appropriately...

- Josh

Re: List vs. community size

[Chuck Guzis]

On 12/08/2015 02:34 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:


A lot of these old machines are "smokin'".  At least if you don't
test the power supplies appropriately...



If the power involved is sufficient, then they become "dyn-o-mite"

--Chuck

ModemDoctor and Hank Volpe

[Ali]

I was wondering if anyone on the list may have contact info for Mr. Volpe
the author of ModemDoctor. I attempted to send in the registration fee for
his service based on the address on his website. The letter was returned
"not deliverable". The site does get occasional updates so he is still
around and apparently still accepting orders.

Thanks

-Ali

Looking for a PERQ

[Ian Finder]

This is a laughable ask, I realize that- but I'd really like to find a PERQ.

Anywhere in the US and Canada is fair game. I am prepared to work on one in
any condition, and am okay with any model.

I'm definitely not asking for a handout and would like to negotiate a
reasonable price. (I am aware of the rarity!)

Please contact me off-list if this is a possibility.

For reference, I am located in Seattle, WA.

Cheers,

- Ian

-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Looking for a PERQ

[william degnan]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Ian Finder  wrote:

> This is a laughable ask, I realize that- but I'd really like to find a
> PERQ.
>
> Anywhere in the US and Canada is fair game. I am prepared to work on one in
> any condition, and am okay with any model.
>
> I'm definitely not asking for a handout and would like to negotiate a
> reasonable price. (I am aware of the rarity!)
>
> Please contact me off-list if this is a possibility.
>
> For reference, I am located in Seattle, WA.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Ian
>
> --
>Ian Finder
>(206) 395-MIPS
>ian.fin...@gmail.com
>


I rescued one for VCFederation museum two years ago.
http://vintagecomputer.net/perq/
I was just looking at it this weekend.  It needs a keyboard and mouse I
believe.  I remember there was a guy in Texas who had a few, never heard
the full story though.
Bill
-- 
Bill

Re: Looking for AS/400

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 06:53:31PM +, Brian Adams wrote:

> Yeah, I've got an account on an AS/400 right now. I like the OS, I
> probably couldn't do anything useful with it, but I like the look.

I've had an account there for years, though I don't use it much these days.  

> But having an account on a remote system isn't the same as a physical
> system, ya know? And I don't have QSECOFR access of course.
> 
> Maybe I can find one at a surplus or recycler, mm.

Having a box with full access is definitely a plus.  I have a 9406-270 in my
living room that I found on eBay for a fairly descent price.  It's been
encountering some memory errors for a while now, but seems to be hanging in
there.  I might have to find some replacement memory, or a replacement box,
one of these days myself.  There was a post on the Midrange-L list last
month from someone with a couple of "old 525 systems" that he's looking to
part with:

http://Archive.Midrange.com/midrange-l/201511/msg00446.html

I contacted him recently and as of a few days ago they were still available.
I'd have grabbed one of them if I had the funds to spare at the moment.



-- 

Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Re: ModemDoctor and Hank Volpe

[Alexandre Souza]

Man...IUsed this program for YEARS. I'd be glad to register it as a "thank
you" note

Enviado do meu Tele-Movel
Em 08/12/2015 21:18, "Ali"  escreveu:

> C A I X A   E C Ô N O M I C A   F E D E R A L  - LOTERIAS
>
> Alexandre Souza,
>
> Conforme você pediu, seguem os resultados das Loterias da Caixa.
> Boa Sorte!
>
> Caixa Econômica Federal
>
>
>  D U P L A S E N A
> 
>
> CONCURSO : 1444
> DATA : 08/12/2015
>
> 1º SORTEIO:
> NÚMEROS SORTEADOS: (por ordem de sorteio)   20   -   35   -   42   -
>  40   -   39   -   12
>
>(por ordem crescente)12   -   20   -   35   -
>  39   -   40   -   42
>
> PREMIAÇÃO:
> N° de ganhadores: 0
> Rateio do prêmio: R$ 0,00
>
> VALOR ACUMULADO 1º SORTEIO: R$ 1.178.636,10
>
> ESTIMATIVA DO PRÊMIO (DUPLASENA)*: R$ 1.500.000,00
> *PARA O PRÓXIMO CONCURSO, A SER REALIZADO 11/12/2015
>
> 2º SORTEIO:
> NÚMEROS SORTEADOS: (por ordem de sorteio)   14   -   37   -   09   -
>  34   -   49   -   16
>
>(por ordem crescente)09   -   14   -   16   -
>  34   -   37   -   49
>
> PREMIAÇÃO:
> N° de ganhadores da Sena: 0
> Rateio do prêmio da Sena: R$ 0,00
> N° de ganhadores da Quina: 31
> Rateio do prêmio da Quina: R$ 4.072,60
> N° de ganhadores da Quadra: 1282
> Rateio do prêmio da Quadra: R$ 93,79
>
>
>
>
>  Q U I N A
> 
>
> Concurso : 3954
> Data : 08/12/2015
>
> NÚMEROS SORTEADOS:(por ordem de sorteio)  49   -   04   -   16   -
>  13   -   74
>
>   (por ordem crescente)   04   -   13   -   16   -
>  49   -   74
>
> VALOR ACUMULADO: R$ 7.611.144,60
> VALOR ACUMULADO PARA O SORTEIO ESPECIAL DE SÃO JOÃO: R$ 50.650.937,04
> ESTIMATIVA DO PRÊMIO (QUINA)*: R$ 8.700.000,00
> *PARA O PRÓXIMO CONCURSO, A SER REALIZADO 09/12/2015
>
>
>
> Nº de Ganhadores (Quina) : 0
> Rateio do Prêmio (Quina) : R$ 0,00
>
> Nº de Ganhadores (Quadra) : 92
> Rateio do Prêmio (Quadra) : R$ 7.801,94
>
> Nº de Ganhadores (Terno) : 6955
> Rateio do Prêmio (Terno) : R$ 147,43
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  T I M E M A N I A
> --
>
> ACUMULOU!
>
> Concurso : 813
> Data : 08/12/2015
>
>
>
> Resultado das dezenas sorteadas (ordem crescente)
> 02 - 24 - 36 - 52 - 54 - 74 - 79
>
> Resultado das dezenas sorteadas (ordem de sorteio)
> 24 - 79 - 54 - 52 - 36 - 74 - 02
>
>
> TIME DO CORAÇÃO: FLUMINENSE/RJ
>
>
> PREMIAÇÃO
> Número de Acertos (7)
> Qtde Ganhadores : 0
> Rateio (em R$): 0,00
> Valor Acumulado (em R$) : 558.738,90
>
> ESTIMATIVA DO PRÊMIO (7 ACERTOS)*: R$ 800.000,00
> *PARA O PRÓXIMO CONCURSO, A SER REALIZADO 10/12/2015
>
> Número de Acertos (6)
> Qtde Ganhadores : 1
> Rateio (em R$): 61.155,47
>
> Número de Acertos (5)
> Qtde Ganhadores : 114
> Rateio (em R$): 766,35
>
> Número de Acertos (4)
> Qtde Ganhadores : 2295
> Rateio (em R$): 6,00
>
> Número de Acertos (3)
> Qtde Ganhadores : 21218
> Rateio (em R$): 2,00
>
> Time do Coração
> Qtde Ganhadores : 14260
> Rateio (em R$): 5,00
>
> Valor acumulado para o próximo concurso de final cinco (815): R$ 147.166,48
>
>
> ARRECADAÇÃO TOTAL: R$ 1.226.806,00
>
>
> Confira os resultados das Loterias pelo seu celular, acesse o site da
> CAIXA www.caixa.gov.br direto pelo aparelho e selecione o link loterias. (
> http://www.caixa.gov.br)
>
>
>
> Conheça os investimentos CAIXA: variedade e segurança para investir, sem
> abrir mão de boa rentabilidade. SAIBA MAIS. (
> http://www11.caixa.gov.br/portal/public/investidor)
>
>
> 
> Se desejar corrigir seus dados ou se descadastrar deste serviço acesse o
> link -
> http://www.caixa.gov.br/_redirect/push/r_logon_loteria.asp
>

Re: Looking for a PERQ

[Mike Ross]

I have a PERQ-1 & -2, both with keyboards, mice, manuals, and a bunch of
software on floppy disk.

I haven't worked on them in... *well* over ten years. But they have bubbled
near the top of the 'soon, really this time!' pile, and I might consider
parting with one.

Let me chew it over.

Mike
On Dec 9, 2015 12:33 PM, "william degnan"  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Ian Finder  wrote:
>
> > This is a laughable ask, I realize that- but I'd really like to find a
> > PERQ.
> >
> > Anywhere in the US and Canada is fair game. I am prepared to work on one
> in
> > any condition, and am okay with any model.
> >
> > I'm definitely not asking for a handout and would like to negotiate a
> > reasonable price. (I am aware of the rarity!)
> >
> > Please contact me off-list if this is a possibility.
> >
> > For reference, I am located in Seattle, WA.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > - Ian
> >
> > --
> >Ian Finder
> >(206) 395-MIPS
> >ian.fin...@gmail.com
> >
>
>
> I rescued one for VCFederation museum two years ago.
> http://vintagecomputer.net/perq/
> I was just looking at it this weekend.  It needs a keyboard and mouse I
> believe.  I remember there was a guy in Texas who had a few, never heard
> the full story though.
> Bill
> --
> Bill
>

midrange-l - WAS:::Re: Looking for AS/400

[Jerry Kemp]

Thank you for that post, I wasn't aware of that list.  I'm now subscribed.

Hoping to relive some of my System/34 and System/36 days, or even better (for 
me) virtualized.


Jerry



On 12/ 8/15 05:50 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
 There was a post on the Midrange-L list last

month from someone with a couple of "old 525 systems" that he's looking to
part with:

 http://Archive.Midrange.com/midrange-l/201511/msg00446.html

I contacted him recently and as of a few days ago they were still available.
I'd have grabbed one of them if I had the funds to spare at the moment.

Re: List vs. community size

[COURYHOUSE]

mine are old enough to be bitchen!
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 3:33:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
silent...@gmail.com writes:

On Tue,  Dec 8, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Chuck Guzis  wrote:
> On  12/08/2015 02:23 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>>
>> Yes, keep  the kewl machines elsewhere. Our machines are groovy, far
>> out, or  maybe even the Bomb.
>
>
>
> You forgot "rad" and  "neat".

Certain Crays were "totally  tubular."

Re: midrange-l - WAS:::Re: Looking for AS/400

[Mike Ross]

Check my YouTube channel - name is 'abaduck' (!) - for videos of all my IBM
midrange machines, from System/3 to System/38, running :)

Mike
On Dec 9, 2015 1:37 PM, "Jerry Kemp"  wrote:

> Thank you for that post, I wasn't aware of that list.  I'm now subscribed.
>
> Hoping to relive some of my System/34 and System/36 days, or even better
> (for me) virtualized.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> On 12/ 8/15 05:50 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
>  There was a post on the Midrange-L list last
>
>> month from someone with a couple of "old 525 systems" that he's looking to
>> part with:
>>
>>  http://Archive.Midrange.com/midrange-l/201511/msg00446.html
>>
>> I contacted him recently and as of a few days ago they were still
>> available.
>> I'd have grabbed one of them if I had the funds to spare at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Anyone interested in old (PDP-8 driven) Radio Automation hardware?

[Josh Dersch]

Hi all --

I have recently acquired a PDP-8/m system that was used to drive a radio
automation rig (very very similar to this: http://www.bowkera.com/kcbs1.htm
).

My understanding is that this system hooked to banks of what were
essentially 8-track tape drives, each of which held a short loop of tape
(containing a song, an ad, call info, etc.) and the 8/m was programmed with
a playlist of sorts so that even in the early 70s you didn't need to have a
real DJ on premises to run a radio station.  (I had no idea this sort of
thing went back that far!)

This one was used at KRDU (Fresno's Christian Radio).  At any rate, it's
neat hardware.  All I have is the 8/m, a custom front panel (as seen in the
pictures on the site I linked above) and a bank of Omnibus backplanes
holding cards that would drive the tapes and mix audio.

I really have no use for the tape-control / audio mixing hardware since I
don't have the tapes and I'm not *really* planning on running an automated
radio station out of my basement (though it does sound fun).  I'm not about
to scrap the stuff (it's at least useful for parts) but I thought I'd see
if anyone out there could actually make use of it for its intended purpose.

- Josh

Re: Anyone interested in old (PDP-8 driven) Radio Automation hardware?

[Paul Anderson]

Hi Josh,

Can you call me about this?

Thanks, Paul
217 766 7690


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Josh Dersch  wrote:

> Hi all --
>
> I have recently acquired a PDP-8/m system that was used to drive a radio
> automation rig (very very similar to this:
> http://www.bowkera.com/kcbs1.htm
> ).
>
> My understanding is that this system hooked to banks of what were
> essentially 8-track tape drives, each of which held a short loop of tape
> (containing a song, an ad, call info, etc.) and the 8/m was programmed with
> a playlist of sorts so that even in the early 70s you didn't need to have a
> real DJ on premises to run a radio station.  (I had no idea this sort of
> thing went back that far!)
>
> This one was used at KRDU (Fresno's Christian Radio).  At any rate, it's
> neat hardware.  All I have is the 8/m, a custom front panel (as seen in the
> pictures on the site I linked above) and a bank of Omnibus backplanes
> holding cards that would drive the tapes and mix audio.
>
> I really have no use for the tape-control / audio mixing hardware since I
> don't have the tapes and I'm not *really* planning on running an automated
> radio station out of my basement (though it does sound fun).  I'm not about
> to scrap the stuff (it's at least useful for parts) but I thought I'd see
> if anyone out there could actually make use of it for its intended purpose.
>
> - Josh
>

Re: Anyone interested in old (PDP-8 driven) Radio Automation hardware?

[Paul Anderson]

opps, that was supposed to be off listsorry.


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Josh Dersch  wrote:

> Hi all --
>
> I have recently acquired a PDP-8/m system that was used to drive a radio
> automation rig (very very similar to this:
> http://www.bowkera.com/kcbs1.htm
> ).
>
> My understanding is that this system hooked to banks of what were
> essentially 8-track tape drives, each of which held a short loop of tape
> (containing a song, an ad, call info, etc.) and the 8/m was programmed with
> a playlist of sorts so that even in the early 70s you didn't need to have a
> real DJ on premises to run a radio station.  (I had no idea this sort of
> thing went back that far!)
>
> This one was used at KRDU (Fresno's Christian Radio).  At any rate, it's
> neat hardware.  All I have is the 8/m, a custom front panel (as seen in the
> pictures on the site I linked above) and a bank of Omnibus backplanes
> holding cards that would drive the tapes and mix audio.
>
> I really have no use for the tape-control / audio mixing hardware since I
> don't have the tapes and I'm not *really* planning on running an automated
> radio station out of my basement (though it does sound fun).  I'm not about
> to scrap the stuff (it's at least useful for parts) but I thought I'd see
> if anyone out there could actually make use of it for its intended purpose.
>
> - Josh
>

Re: Anyone interested in old (PDP-8 driven) Radio Automation hardware?

[wulfman]

The "carts" were 4 track tapes. it was a popular radio station
automation system back in the old days.
The first radio station i engineered at used them and i was QUICK to
convert them to a computer based
automation system way ahead of most other stations.



On 12/8/2015 8:56 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
> Hi all --
>
> I have recently acquired a PDP-8/m system that was used to drive a radio
> automation rig (very very similar to this: http://www.bowkera.com/kcbs1.htm
> ).
>
> My understanding is that this system hooked to banks of what were
> essentially 8-track tape drives, each of which held a short loop of tape
> (containing a song, an ad, call info, etc.) and the 8/m was programmed with
> a playlist of sorts so that even in the early 70s you didn't need to have a
> real DJ on premises to run a radio station.  (I had no idea this sort of
> thing went back that far!)
>
> This one was used at KRDU (Fresno's Christian Radio).  At any rate, it's
> neat hardware.  All I have is the 8/m, a custom front panel (as seen in the
> pictures on the site I linked above) and a bank of Omnibus backplanes
> holding cards that would drive the tapes and mix audio.
>
> I really have no use for the tape-control / audio mixing hardware since I
> don't have the tapes and I'm not *really* planning on running an automated
> radio station out of my basement (though it does sound fun).  I'm not about
> to scrap the stuff (it's at least useful for parts) but I thought I'd see
> if anyone out there could actually make use of it for its intended purpose.
>
> - Josh
>


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Re: Anyone interested in old (PDP-8 driven) Radio Automation hardware?

[Alexis Kotlowy]

On 9/12/2015 2:26 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:

My understanding is that this system hooked to banks of what were
essentially 8-track tape drives, each of which held a short loop of tape
(containing a song, an ad, call info, etc.) and the 8/m was programmed with
a playlist of sorts so that even in the early 70s you didn't need to have a
real DJ on premises to run a radio station.  (I had no idea this sort of
thing went back that far!)



Very interesting. The cartridges were probably NAB cartridges. See
. I got a pile of these from
a guy who worked at the ABC (Australia), mostly studio-link failure
apology announcements and a few calibration tapes.

The content is usually very interesting on these old cartridges. It'd
be a shame if the radio station just threw them out!

Alexis.

Re: Anyone interested in old (PDP-8 driven) Radio Automation hardware?

[COURYHOUSE]

since we collect broadcast gear for radio and TV 
we would like to buy this  depending on where it is located.
are there any  tapes too???  we are VERY INTERESTED!!
 
thanks ed sharpe archivist for smecc.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 9:54:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
thrashb...@kaput.homeunix.org writes:

On  9/12/2015 2:26 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
> My understanding is that this  system hooked to banks of what were
> essentially 8-track tape drives,  each of which held a short loop of tape
> (containing a song, an ad,  call info, etc.) and the 8/m was programmed 
with
> a playlist of sorts  so that even in the early 70s you didn't need to 
have a
> real DJ on  premises to run a radio station.  (I had no idea this sort of
>  thing went back that far!)
>

Very interesting. The cartridges  were probably NAB cartridges.  See
. I got a pile of these  from
a guy who worked at the ABC (Australia), mostly studio-link  failure
apology announcements and a few calibration tapes.

The  content is usually very interesting on these old cartridges. It'd
be a  shame if the radio station just threw them  out!

Alexis.

Re: Anyone interested in old (PDP-8 driven) Radio Automation hardware?

[COURYHOUSE]

YES!!DOES  IT STILL HAVE THE DIABLO DISC  HARD  DRIVE TOO!>!>?opps  
 caps ok  yes  one of the  phx stations   had one of  these  and it had 
the  8 and  the diablo   hard drive
PRICEed sharpe
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 8:56:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
dersc...@gmail.com writes:

http://www.bowkera.com/kcbs1.htm

RE: List vs. community size

[Brian Adams]

Oh yeah? Well, my machines are boring. Beat that.

-brian

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of 
couryho...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 7:37 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: List vs. community size

mine are old enough to be bitchen!
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2015 3:33:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, 
silent...@gmail.com writes:

On Tue,  Dec 8, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Chuck Guzis  wrote:
> On  12/08/2015 02:23 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>>
>> Yes, keep  the kewl machines elsewhere. Our machines are groovy, far 
>> out, or  maybe even the Bomb.
>
>
>
> You forgot "rad" and  "neat".

Certain Crays were "totally  tubular."

RE: List vs. community size

[Brian Adams]

1? Not enough, come on. Hi-Res NCube pictures please.

-Brian

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of JP Hindin
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 4:26 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: RE: List vs. community size



On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Brian Adams wrote:
> Would be nice if more of you people with Kewl Machines posted pictures on 
> there!
>
> It's been slow recently, not many posts, and boring stuff.

So I post a picture of my workshop with 13 racks, including half a dozen SGI 
Onyx2, a pair of SunFire 6800s, a Cray J98, a Sun E1, and a bunch of 
PDP11s, VAXes, Sun E450s/E4000s/386i, Sun 4/470s, MicroPDPs, MicroVAXes, oh, 
and an nCube2... and it's boring?

(http://imgur.com/LRkTseU)

Harsh, man.

  - JP


> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of 
> et...@757.org
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:29 PM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
> 
> Subject: Re: List vs. community size
>
>> Wow, that is impressive. However, I suppose much of the PeeCee crowd 
>> really does not integrate well with cctalk, and that is fine.
>
> Scanning the front page of retrobattlestations, SOL-20, DEC 1957 documentary, 
> C64, POSIX Maze War, Vic 20...
>
> Yep full of PC stuff!
>
> --
> Ethan O'Toole
>
>

RE: Looking for AS/400

[Brian Adams]

I was considering asking on that list, but I figured it was geared toward new 
machines.

I'll take a look.

-Brian

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Monceaux
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 6:51 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Looking for AS/400

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 06:53:31PM +, Brian Adams wrote:

> Yeah, I've got an account on an AS/400 right now. I like the OS, I 
> probably couldn't do anything useful with it, but I like the look.

I've had an account there for years, though I don't use it much these days.  

> But having an account on a remote system isn't the same as a physical 
> system, ya know? And I don't have QSECOFR access of course.
> 
> Maybe I can find one at a surplus or recycler, mm.

Having a box with full access is definitely a plus.  I have a 9406-270 in my 
living room that I found on eBay for a fairly descent price.  It's been 
encountering some memory errors for a while now, but seems to be hanging in 
there.  I might have to find some replacement memory, or a replacement box, one 
of these days myself.  There was a post on the Midrange-L list last month from 
someone with a couple of "old 525 systems" that he's looking to part with:

http://Archive.Midrange.com/midrange-l/201511/msg00446.html

I contacted him recently and as of a few days ago they were still available.
I'd have grabbed one of them if I had the funds to spare at the moment.



-- 

Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

R: RE: Looking for AS/400

[supervinx]

Yeah... the feeling of a real machine is different...
AS/400s aren't retrocomputing cult machines so, waiting a bit, it's not hard to 
grab one at a decent price...