Sorry if I haven't back to you...
There are several members I was supposed to check on item and I have dropped the ball on a few. I rely greatly on high school students to do a lot of things I can't do myself anymore, and they have had proms and plays the last few weeks and finals this week. I am going in for another surgery next week and will be able to check email late in the week. I'll be pretty much out of commission for the summer, but they'll be able to take care of most shipping. So, if I dropped the ball on anything, please BUG ME ! I'll reply to emails ASAP, but please, no phone calls next week.
RE: Sorry if I haven't back to you...
Paul, I was looking for spare key caps or a keyboard for a LA-36 Decwriter II. Thanks for following up. Best of luck with your surgery (getting there myself!) Gary Original message From: Paul Anderson Date:05/27/2015 3:27 AM (GMT-05:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ,cct...@vax-11.org Subject: Sorry if I haven't back to you... There are several members I was supposed to check on item and I have dropped the ball on a few. I rely greatly on high school students to do a lot of things I can't do myself anymore, and they have had proms and plays the last few weeks and finals this week. I am going in for another surgery next week and will be able to check email late in the week. I'll be pretty much out of commission for the summer, but they'll be able to take care of most shipping. So, if I dropped the ball on anything, please BUG ME ! I'll reply to emails ASAP, but please, no phone calls next week.
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
> On May 27, 2015, at 1:26 AM, tony duell wrote: > >> >> Right now, I'm cursing the guy who thought that the "cloverleaf" or >> "mouseketeer" power receptacle was a good idea. I'm sitting here >> looking at an HP ScanJet wondering if it would be worth the effort to >> replace it. >> >> Fer heaven's sake, what was wrong with the IEC connector? > > If you mean the one that a mad friend of mine calls the 'figure of 12' (on > the grounds that the > 2 pin one used on radios, etc, is often called a 'figure of 8') then I > believe it _is_ an IEC > connector, in the same standard as the more familiar 'kettle plug’. The “figure 8” connector is certainly IEC, as is the “mouseketeer” one — which adds a ground pin offset from the middle. The latter seems to be uncommon. The argument for the figure 8 plug is that it’s substantially smaller and works well when no ground is needed (double insulated equipment) and current is modest. I have some Dell laptop supplies that use that connector, and it makes sense there. There are quite a number of IEC connectors. The familiar 15 amp C13 model is just the most common, but there’s a 20 amp variant (horizontal blades), high temperature versions (with bumps in the inlet that prevent inserting a standard cord) and so on. paul
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
On Tue, 26 May 2015, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 05/26/2015 08:28 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Like wulfman and chuck and as described on my page, I replace the chassis inlet whenever I can, although occasionally it's not possible due to proximity of other chassis elements as the IEC inlet is slightly larger. Belden made a lot of cords for HP and others, and sometimes you can still find them NOS in their original packages. Right now, I'm cursing the guy who thought that the "cloverleaf" or "mouseketeer" power receptacle was a good idea. I'm sitting here looking at an HP ScanJet wondering if it would be worth the effort to replace it. Fer heaven's sake, what was wrong with the IEC connector? Which specific IEC connector? A lot of people think of the C13 as the only IEC connector, but there is a whole family of IEC 60320 (IEC 320) connectors. If by "cloverleaf" or "mouseketeer" you are referring to the C7 or C5 couplers, those types are part of the IEC 60320 standard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320 (Full disclosure: I have access to copies of the official 60320 standards and I spent a good deal of time working with some other editors on the material for Wikipedia). Now, if you want to talk about really weird connectors, Sony had a number of power connectors which can be incredibly hard to find replacements for today...
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At 10:25 PM 5/26/2015, Jules Richardson wrote: >... is there a classiccmp-type list equivalent for old test gear? Yahoogroups.com hosts a number of them. I sub lists there for GR, HP, and Tek, as well as the TestEquipTrader list for buying and selling vintage equipment. Dale H. Cook, GR / HP Collector, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/radios/index.html
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At 02:16 AM 5/27/2015, Mark J. Blair wrote: >I thought that I remembered encountering line cords with at least two >different wirings to those connectors when I saw the subject ... I always ring out any that I get. The HP-compatible ones go in one place for my vintage HP instruments (of which I own more than a few), and the others go in a different location in case I find a need for one. Dale H. Cook, GR / HP Collector, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/radios/index.html
Equip available - Flagstaff Eng. external 8" floppy, Xerox 820-II (Wichita, Ks)
A few weeks ago, I posted a list of equipment for sale, and on that list was an external 8" floppy drive built (or at least, sold) by Flagstaff Engineering. I've finally found the interface card, so now the whole shebang is available. Card, cable, and drive. Also, I have two Xerox 820-II CP/M computers, with keyboards. I have one dual external 8" floppy for the 820-II's (not on per). I can ship the Flagstaff drive, but I'm not sure how to go about shipping the 820's. They are available in Wichita, Ks. --Shaun Microfilm Services, Inc. 316-269-2203
asking for pickup help
Are there any collectors around Larose, Louisiana that might be able to pick up something "relatively smallish" and ship? I'd be happy to compensate/trade. whatever you wish! Best, J
more old stuff
DEC Mate II with butterfly floppies A set of 8" floppy drives for a Display Writer A KayPro II and a KayPro II 2 DEC power supplies for mainframes? PN 874-D Several 80386? Compaq luggables Some small OLD HP boxes, will list PN if anyone is interested. I will prob be next week before I can ship these. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sa...@elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls
RE: more old stuff
-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Electronics Plus Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:25 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: more old stuff DEC Mate II with butterfly floppies __SOLD A set of 8" floppy drives for a Display Writer A KayPro II and a KayPro II 2 DEC power supplies for mainframes? PN 874-D __SOLD Several 80386? Compaq luggables Some small OLD HP boxes, will list PN if anyone is interested. I will prob be next week before I can ship these. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sa...@elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9879 - Release Date: 05/27/15
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
On 05/27/2015 12:03 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 05/26/2015 08:28 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: Like wulfman and chuck and as described on my page, I replace the chassis inlet whenever I can, although occasionally it's not possible due to proximity of other chassis elements as the IEC inlet is slightly larger. Right now, I'm cursing the guy who thought that the "cloverleaf" or "mouseketeer" power receptacle was a good idea. I'm sitting here looking at an HP ScanJet wondering if it would be worth the effort to replace it. Do you mean IEC 60320 type C5/6, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320#Appliance_couplers ?? That's the connector I was assuming you and wulfman were talking about using as a replacement for the old 163 power connectors - not the common "PC type" connector, because that's much larger and would mean cutting into the original equipment panels so that it would fit. I'm thinking it should be possible to drill the rivets holding the original 163 sockets, then make up mounting plates to hold an IEC C6-style socket and rivet/bolt those in place. That's assuming that I don't lay my hands on some original 163-type cables! cheers Jules
Re: more old stuff
On Wed, 27 May 2015, Electronics Plus wrote: A KayPro II and a KayPro II ...so two IIs? :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
I get mine from this vendor on eBay. Very reasonably priced and the one I got were indeed like new; http://www.ebay.com/itm/261713737185?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageNam e=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT - Marc >On 05/26/2015 09:27 PM, Kyle Owen wrote: >>Yes, there does appear to be a name for them: the 163 connector. >> >>http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/powerConn/index.html
RE: more old stuff
A Kaypro II and a KayPro 2. Both luggables, not sure what the difference is. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of geneb Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:55 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: more old stuff On Wed, 27 May 2015, Electronics Plus wrote: > A KayPro II and a KayPro II > ...so two IIs? :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9879 - Release Date: 05/27/15
RE: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
> Now, if you want to talk about really weird connectors, Sony had a number of > power > connectors which can be incredibly hard to find replacements for today... In the 1960s/1970s just about every major consumer electronics company seemed to have their own mains connectors. An old Maplin catalogue shows a page of moulded cables (strange connector to bare wires to fit to a mains plug) for all sorts of manufacturers, but I have seen many more than that, Incidentally, back then the common 'figure of 8' one was listed as 'Telefunken'. I have used the odd Philips one -- 2 flat pins at 90 degrees to each other with a sort of figure-of-8 moulding round it, but with the sections octagonal not circular. My N1500 VCRs use it. But the connector on another (slightly older) Philips tape recorder is different to anything else I've seen (rectangular moulding with 2 round pins). Just try finding some of those today. There was another European connector which had 2 flat pins and a metal shroud round it, the cable socket had flat springs on the sides to make contact with the shround as the earth contact. Very common on electronic instruments over here in the 1960s, just try finding one now. Even standard connectors (some still in production) like the Bulgin 1.5A and 5A ranges and the XLR-like LNE connector are not that easy to get. -tony
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors
Sorry use this link instead. I bought them, they are great and new indeed: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261713737185 >From: Kyle Owen >Yes, there does appear to be a name for them: the 163 connector. >http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/powerConn/index.html >Big thanks to our own Brent Hilpert for the great reference! >Kyle
Re: more old stuff
Ah, yes the Kaypro numbering scheme. The II came before the 2 but both came before the 1. :) > On May 27, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Electronics Plus wrote: > > A Kaypro II and a KayPro 2. Both luggables, not sure what the difference > is. > > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of geneb > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:55 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: more old stuff > > On Wed, 27 May 2015, Electronics Plus wrote: > >> A KayPro II and a KayPro II >> > ...so two IIs? :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database > for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4800 / Virus Database: 4311/9879 - Release Date: 05/27/15 >
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
i meant C13 C14 so many around and the female parts have EMI protection in a lot of them On 5/27/2015 11:54 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: > On 05/27/2015 12:03 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> On 05/26/2015 08:28 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> >>> Like wulfman and chuck and as described on my page, I replace the >>> chassis inlet whenever I can, although occasionally it's not possible >>> due to proximity of other chassis elements as the IEC inlet is >>> slightly larger. >> >> Right now, I'm cursing the guy who thought that the "cloverleaf" or >> "mouseketeer" power receptacle was a good idea. I'm sitting here >> looking >> at an HP ScanJet wondering if it would be worth the effort to replace >> it. > > Do you mean IEC 60320 type C5/6, here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320#Appliance_couplers > > ?? That's the connector I was assuming you and wulfman were talking > about using as a replacement for the old 163 power connectors - not > the common "PC type" connector, because that's much larger and would > mean cutting into the original equipment panels so that it would fit. > > I'm thinking it should be possible to drill the rivets holding the > original 163 sockets, then make up mounting plates to hold an IEC > C6-style socket and rivet/bolt those in place. That's assuming that I > don't lay my hands on some original 163-type cables! > > cheers > > Jules > > -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized use, copying, disclosure, or distribution of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail.
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
On 2015-May-27, at 11:54 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: > On 05/27/2015 12:03 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> On 05/26/2015 08:28 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> >>> Like wulfman and chuck and as described on my page, I replace the >>> chassis inlet whenever I can, although occasionally it's not possible >>> due to proximity of other chassis elements as the IEC inlet is >>> slightly larger. >> >> Right now, I'm cursing the guy who thought that the "cloverleaf" or >> "mouseketeer" power receptacle was a good idea. I'm sitting here looking >> at an HP ScanJet wondering if it would be worth the effort to replace it. > > Do you mean IEC 60320 type C5/6, here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320#Appliance_couplers > > ?? That's the connector I was assuming you and wulfman were talking about > using as a replacement for the old 163 power connectors - not the common "PC > type" connector, because that's much larger and would mean cutting into the > original equipment panels so that it would fit. > > I'm thinking it should be possible to drill the rivets holding the original > 163 sockets, then make up mounting plates to hold an IEC C6-style socket and > rivet/bolt those in place. That's assuming that I don't lay my hands on some > original 163-type cables! For my part, no, I've always replaced them (where doable) with the common IEC C14 chassis inlets. See the bottom of my web page. Yes it does require some cutting of the original, so it depends on whether one wants to do that, and one's will and skill with hand files. I've never tried the C6 type as I rarely see them anyways. Note the C5/C6 has a considerably lower current rating than the C13/C14, which is presumably why it was introduced as an additional standard. I keep around a box of C14s scavenged from discarded equipment for the purpose, but I also replace fixed lines cords with C14s whenever I can, because I hate moving and storing equipment with dangling power cords.
RE: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
> For my part, no, I've always replaced them (where doable) with the common IEC > C14 chassis inlets. See the bottom > of my web page. Yes it does require some cutting of the original, so it > depends on whether one wants to do that, > and one's will and skill with hand files. I've done that a few times. I did keep my HP9100 and its plotter original, though :-) > I keep around a box of C14s scavenged from discarded equipment for the > purpose, but I also replace fixed lines > cords with C14s whenever I can, because I hate moving and storing equipment > with dangling power cords. I assume new C14s are not hard to get over there. Over here every electronic component supplier -- even Maplin -- stock them. In a number of cases I have cut the mains lead on an instrument to about 4" long and fitted the cable mounting C14 plug (jf that's the right term). I also hate cables dangling from my shelves (although Tigger likes them) and coiling them up on top of plastic cases is a bad idea (the plasticiser in the PVC reacts with common case plastics and leaves nasty marks or worse. That is why new stuff often has the cables packed in plastic bags -- as you know the manufacturers of such things save every last penny and would not include a bag if there was no reason for it. -tony
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
On 05/27/2015 12:45 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: For my part, no, I've always replaced them (where doable) with the common IEC C14 chassis inlets. See the bottom of my web page. Yes it does require some cutting of the original, so it depends on whether one wants to do that, and one's will and skill with hand files. I use a plain old sheet metal hand nibbler. Much cleaner and doesn't require dressing of the edges. One usually can find them for USD$10 or less--all seem to come from Taiwan. I've got one with the anvil modified to allow for notching of "dragon's teeth" when joining two bits of sheet metal. I've never tried the C6 type as I rarely see them anyways. Note the C5/C6 has a considerably lower current rating than the C13/C14, which is presumably why it was introduced as an additional standard. I keep around a box of C14s scavenged from discarded equipment for the purpose, but I also replace fixed lines cords with C14s whenever I can, because I hate moving and storing equipment with dangling power cords. My HP Scanner uses a C5/C6 connection, but a much smaller thin client uses the C7/C8--although later versions of that piece of equipment use C13/C14--I suppose that the maker (Neoware) received too much flack on their choice of receptacle. The 2.5A rating on the C5...C8 connectors had me wondering if the UK versions have fused mains plugs--and if it's still customary to use the ubiquitous 13A fuses in those... --Chuck
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
For what it's worth, if you're looking for a C7-ended line cord and can't find one, most electric shaver cords will work in a pinch--you may have to use a utility knife to deepen the "notch" on the plug, but it does work just fine--and most of those are curled cords... --Chuck
RE: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
>
> The 2.5A rating on the C5...C8 connectors had me wondering if the UK
> versions have fused mains plugs--and if it's still customary to use the
> ubiquitous 13A fuses in those...
In general these connectors come as part of a fully moulded mains lead with
a BS1363 ('13A') plug on the other end. And every one I have used has had a 3A
fuse fitted to the plug.
I still don't know why loose BS1363 mains plugs always seem to come with 13A
fuses fitted, given that (a) the 3A fuse is more useful and (b) at least one
manufactuer
lists the plugs fitted with either fuse (under different part numbers) in their
catalogue.
I can't be the only person to have a jam jar full of brand new 13A cartridge
fuses removed
from plugs I am fitting...
-tony
RE: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
> For what it's worth, if you're looking for a C7-ended line cord and
> can't find one, most electric shaver cords will work in a pinch--you may
> have to use a utility knife to deepen the "notch" on the plug, but it
> does work just fine--and most of those are curled cords...
Shaver cords are odd in the UK. Certainly at one time (and I suspect it is still
the case, but I haven't checked) the only socket outlet that could be installed
in
a bathroom ('room containing a fixed bath or shower') was a transformer-isolated
shaver socket. These often have both 110V and 220V outlets, either of which
would take
either the common US 2 pin mains plug or a 2 pin round-pin plug. The isolating
transformer is typically rated at 20VA, FWIW [1]
Anyway, electric shavers tend to have a 2 pin round-pin plug on them to fit said
device. You can easily get 'shaver adaptors' which take said plug and go into
a normal UK BS1363 socket so you can shave in other rooms. Oh yes, and most
of the time the cable is tinsel wire (thin copper strands round a string core,
like
old telephone handset cables) so re-wiring to a different plug is a pain.
But almost all shavers sold over here now run off internal rechargeable
batteries. Why
I do not know. It's not as if the cable is a major problem (unlike having a
battery that is
flat when you need it and which has a limited life anyway). Amazingly the
chargers that
come with these shavers have the 2 round pins to fit a shaver socket. Quite why
you
need to be able to charge it in a bathroom is beyond me, but...
[1] At one point one of the pound shops (==dollar stores) over here had some
shaver sockets for sale. Obviously bankrupt stock or something like that. Put
it
this way, a nice little 20VA isolating transformer with a secondary tapped at
110V
and 220V has a lot of uses. And generally costs more than a pound...
-tony
The small HP stuff
9121 9123 9114 98700 98710 I can tell you the first 3 all used to work, but I do not have keyboards and monitors here to test now. I know nothing about the last 2, except they say MAD BUS on the back. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-370-3239 cell sa...@elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
On 27/05/2015 21:06, Chuck Guzis wrote: The 2.5A rating on the C5...C8 connectors had me wondering if the UK versions have fused mains plugs--and if it's still customary to use the ubiquitous 13A fuses in those... Nope, normally 3A. 3A, 5A and 13A are the most common sizes, with plugs commonly available off the shelf with 3A fitted, though I keep 1A, 2A, 7A and 10A as well. BTW, those C5/C6 connectors are almost universal on HP, Sony, and Toshiba laptops over here. PITA. If you ever need to buy a spare, you can bet it'll cost twice as much as the same cable with a C13 on it. C13 connector cables are commonly fitted with 5A fused plugs for PCs (and used to be for CRTs) or 3A for LCDs etc. -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
I did a little checking today--I compared a male 163-type receptacle with a C14 receptacle. The mounting ear holes appear to have the same spacing; the C14 is about 3/4" thick, where the 163 (metal shell) is about 1/2" thickness, so you'd need to enlarge the mounting holes about 1/8" on the top and bottom. The 163 is a bit wider, but not enough to matter--you'll have to square off the hole corners, as the shell of a 163 is oval, not rectangular. All in all, if done carefully, there's no indication that anyone could tell if a modification had been made. Since a lot of my stuff runs from C13-equipped power strips, is it possible to get a ready-made line cord with a C14 on one end and a C5 or C7 on the other? --Chuck
DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
Does anyone recognise these DEC cartridges?: http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg Any details or knowledge of what systems they may have been used with? They're definitely digital, note the logo on the nearer one on the right. I can't recall ever having seen them. They're associated in this instance with 80s-era biomed analysis. Also, anyone know what processor may have been used in a Becton Dickinson ARTIFACS 440 cell-sorting (FACS) rack? We're speculating there may be an embedded LSI-11. Rob and I are assessing some surplus/scrap equipment for rescue but haven't been on site yet.
Re: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
> Certainly at one time (and I suspect it is still the case, but I
> haven't checked) the only socket outlet that could be installed in a
> bathroom ('room containing a fixed bath or shower') was a
> transformer-isolated shaver socket.
Those existed west of the Pond too, back in the day. They might even
still be code, for all I know, but I can't recall the last time I
actually saw one; such sockets seem to be all GFI these days.
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On 2015-May-27, at 2:18 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > I did a little checking today--I compared a male 163-type receptacle with a > C14 receptacle. The mounting ear holes appear to have the same spacing; the > C14 is about 3/4" thick, where the 163 (metal shell) is about 1/2" thickness, > so you'd need to enlarge the mounting holes about 1/8" on the top and > bottom. The 163 is a bit wider, but not enough to matter--you'll have to > square off the hole corners, as the shell of a 163 is oval, not rectangular. Oh, unfortunately the screw holes are not quite the same spacing, but it's possible to file them a fraction to the side on the chassis and still have good coverage and seating of the nut. See pic at bottom of page: http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/powerConn/index.html > All in all, if done carefully, there's no indication that anyone could tell > if a modification had been made. Yup, I should take pics of the progressive stages when I do one sometime.
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
If you move the camera to the right there may be a part number on the label or the box it came in On 27/05/2015 22:38, Brent Hilpert wrote: Does anyone recognise these DEC cartridges?: http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg Any details or knowledge of what systems they may have been used with? They're definitely digital, note the logo on the nearer one on the right. I can't recall ever having seen them. They're associated in this instance with 80s-era biomed analysis. Also, anyone know what processor may have been used in a Becton Dickinson ARTIFACS 440 cell-sorting (FACS) rack? We're speculating there may be an embedded LSI-11. Rob and I are assessing some surplus/scrap equipment for rescue but haven't been on site yet.
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
On 2015-05-27 23:38, Brent Hilpert wrote: Does anyone recognise these DEC cartridges?: http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg Any details or knowledge of what systems they may have been used with? They're definitely digital, note the logo on the nearer one on the right. I can't recall ever having seen them. They're associated in this instance with 80s-era biomed analysis. It's been a while since I saw one, but they look like RC25 cartridges. Miserable drive... Also, anyone know what processor may have been used in a Becton Dickinson ARTIFACS 440 cell-sorting (FACS) rack? We're speculating there may be an embedded LSI-11. Rob and I are assessing some surplus/scrap equipment for rescue but haven't been on site yet. RC25 could have been found in both PDP-11 and VAXen. I think you only had a Qbus controller for it, though. But it's MSCP. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Re: more old stuff decmates
Cindy ( or other folk)of you run across anotherdecmate let me know any mores of them special preference to the one in the vt52 case! Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 5/27/2015 11:32:15 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, sa...@elecplus.com writes:
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg Yep. Looks like RC25 carts > RC25 could have been found in both PDP-11 and VAXen. I think you only had a > Qbus controller for it, though. But it's MSCP. There's a Unibus controller for it. The RC25 came standard with the VAX-11/725. -ethan
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
On 2015-May-27, at 4:24 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >>>http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg > > Yep. Looks like RC25 carts > >> RC25 could have been found in both PDP-11 and VAXen. I think you only had a >> Qbus controller for it, though. But it's MSCP. > > There's a Unibus controller for it. The RC25 came standard with the > VAX-11/725. Thanks for the responses, Glen Slick provided a link to the manual, a pic we have of the stuff shows a drive matching that in the manual, so yes, RC25: Disk drive, dual platter - one fixed, one removable, 26MB per platter, ~ 8 inch disks. The processor is nowhere in the pics though so we'll have to wait till on site to see if it's still around.
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
> On May 27, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > > > Thanks for the responses, Glen Slick provided a link to the manual, a pic we > have of the stuff shows a drive matching that in the manual, so yes, RC25: > Disk drive, dual platter - one fixed, one removable, 26MB per platter, > ~ 8 inch disks. Ah yes. That made for a lot of fun in some operating systems, since it’s the only device where powering down one unit also powers down a second one as a side effect. In RSTS, a pile of machinery was implemented to keep people from shooting themselves into the foot with that. If I remember right, part of that was to allow the system to freeze, so you could have the system disk (boot disk) on the fixed platter and still be able to remove the other platter if needed. This was done to allow selling RC25-only systems to a Navy, for use on submarines where there isn’t much space. paul
RE: Old HP test equipment power connectors...
On Wed, 27 May 2015, tony duell wrote: > But almost all shavers sold over here now run off internal rechargeable > batteries. Why I do not know. It's not as if the cable is a major > problem (unlike having a battery that is flat when you need it and which > has a limited life anyway). Amazingly the chargers that come with these > shavers have the 2 round pins to fit a shaver socket. Quite why you need > to be able to charge it in a bathroom is beyond me, but... That's because they fit virtually all ordinary mains sockets across continental Europe, that happen to be compatible to the common UK shaver socket for 2-pin unearthed (class II) appliances. So manufacturers simply do not bother making a special version of shaver charger plugs just for the UK. The same applies to toothbrushes. Maciej
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
Is that a vt330 on the side? /P On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 02:38:04PM -0700, Brent Hilpert wrote: > Does anyone recognise these DEC cartridges?: > > http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg > > Any details or knowledge of what systems they may have been used with? > They're definitely digital, note the logo on the nearer one on the right. > I can't recall ever having seen them. They're associated in this instance > with 80s-era biomed analysis. > > Also, anyone know what processor may have been used in a Becton Dickinson > ARTIFACS 440 cell-sorting (FACS) rack? > We're speculating there may be an embedded LSI-11. > > Rob and I are assessing some surplus/scrap equipment for rescue but haven't > been on site yet. >
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
Likely I guess, but you're probably better at recognising them than I. Couple more pics, including the rc25 drive: http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/res/ More terminals below desks in the artifacs440 pic. Could that be an empty Q-bus backplane above the RC25? On 2015-May-27, at 9:05 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > Is that a vt330 on the side? > > /P > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 02:38:04PM -0700, Brent Hilpert wrote: >> Does anyone recognise these DEC cartridges?: >> >> http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg >> >> Any details or knowledge of what systems they may have been used with? >> They're definitely digital, note the logo on the nearer one on the right. >> I can't recall ever having seen them. They're associated in this instance >> with 80s-era biomed analysis. >> >> Also, anyone know what processor may have been used in a Becton Dickinson >> ARTIFACS 440 cell-sorting (FACS) rack? >> We're speculating there may be an embedded LSI-11. >> >> Rob and I are assessing some surplus/scrap equipment for rescue but haven't >> been on site yet. >>
Re: more old stuff decmates
Hi Ed, I have a few WD78s and WT78s if those are the correct part numbers. Where are you located? I'm in Illinois. Thanks, Paul On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:19 PM, wrote: > Cindy ( or other folk)of you run across anotherdecmate let me know > any mores of them > > special preference to the one in the vt52 case! > > Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) > > > In a message dated 5/27/2015 11:32:15 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > sa...@elecplus.com writes: > > > >
Re: DEC cartridge ID & ARTIFACS 440
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 09:25:13PM -0700, Brent Hilpert wrote: > Likely I guess, but you're probably better at recognising them than I. Look quite a lot like it. It is what I would bring home from that lot. > > Couple more pics, including the rc25 drive: > http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/res/ > > More terminals below desks in the artifacs440 pic. Looks like vt220, but hard to tell. > > Could that be an empty Q-bus backplane above the RC25? Possible, not a DEC-enclosure though. /P > > > On 2015-May-27, at 9:05 PM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > Is that a vt330 on the side? > > > > /P > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 02:38:04PM -0700, Brent Hilpert wrote: > >> Does anyone recognise these DEC cartridges?: > >> > >>http://www3.telus.net/~bhilpert/tmp/deccartridge.jpg > >> > >> Any details or knowledge of what systems they may have been used with? > >> They're definitely digital, note the logo on the nearer one on the right. > >> I can't recall ever having seen them. They're associated in this instance > >> with 80s-era biomed analysis. > >> > >> Also, anyone know what processor may have been used in a Becton Dickinson > >> ARTIFACS 440 cell-sorting (FACS) rack? > >> We're speculating there may be an embedded LSI-11. > >> > >> Rob and I are assessing some surplus/scrap equipment for rescue but > >> haven't been on site yet. > >> >
