Re: [AFMUG] forrest- cambium style sync

[Matt]

Gigabit Ethernet is much more stable with Cambium Sync.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> “Canopy sync” is the once per second interruption of power.  “Cambium sync” 
> also goes over power but uses some magical method that is only known to a 
> select few.  It doesn’t create inductive spikes that can cause Ethernet 
> errors in adjacent cables so I’d use it instead of Canopy sync wherever you 
> can.
>
>
>
> If I remember right, any 450 series APs with 48V gigabit power can accept 
> Cambium sync.  So that means 450i and 450m.  I believe 450i can also use 
> Canopy sync but 450m requires Cambium sync.  Or instead of either 
> power-over-sync method you can use AUX port sync.
>
>
>
> Someone else will have to reply about ePMP and specifically ePMP 3000.  I 
> thought ePMP used pucks?
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] forrest- cambium style sync
>
>
>
> Is Cambium sync cmm4?  Epmp has an option for cmm3 vs cmm4.
>
>
>
> 450i and epmp3000 would certainly be Cambium style.
>
>
>
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>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 2:50 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
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> POWERINJECTOR PLUS CAMBIUM-STYLE SYNC
>
> Looking to standardize. This is the only one that will provide sync to epmp 
> 3k?
>
> it will also do 450i?
>
> Will it do epmp 1k/2k at all?
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[AFMUG] Hosted PBX

[Matt]

Right now we have a fortinet phone system with good number of extensions.
Thinking of switching to hosted pbx to make it easier to use phone from
home, when fiber is cut, etc. What is everyone else using for phone system?
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[AFMUG] Android Tablet

[Matt]

Can anyone recommend a cost effective android tablet that wont fall
apart?  I love my iPad but bit expensive to throw around in work
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Re: [AFMUG] Hosted PBX

[Matt]

Has anyone tried the google offering?

https://cloud.google.com/voice#pricing

We already use google apps but the $20 per user for voice seems high to me.


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 6:43 PM Matt  wrote:
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> Right now we have a fortinet phone system with good number of extensions. 
> Thinking of switching to hosted pbx to make it easier to use phone from home, 
> when fiber is cut, etc. What is everyone else using for phone system?
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame utilazation issues.

[Matt]

Does 16.2 have this bug?

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:07 PM Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:
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> Just figured I would throw this on the list its already on the forums but it 
> cost me the better part of the day so here ya go.
>
> There is a bug in the 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 firmware that causes the frame 
> utilization to peg at or close to 100%.
>
> 16.1 works fine.
>
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[AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

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What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?

https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable

Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
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> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

What all comes with the Cambium cable kit?  Does not seem to list that
anywhere.  What kind of connectors? Duplex or single fiber?  SFP
modules included or needed?  Pictures?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM Roland Houin  wrote:
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> the cable seems ok.
> I gave up on anything other than cambium's pre built cable
> it comes with the gland required
> it is very difficult to terminate a fiber cable close enough to the jacket to 
> work in the typical gland.
> you could do it with a short piece of liquitite conduit by the radio.
>
> I the end I figured it wasn't worth the trouble.
>
> Roland
>
>
> > Has anyone used the outdoor Ubiquiti FiberCable?
>
> https://store.ui.com/collections/accessories/products/fibercable
>
> Is there a way to make that fit in cable flange on PMP450m?
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
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> > What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

Has anyone bought a fiber splicer that supports splice on connectors
and made up there own fiber runs like this?


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Matt  wrote:
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> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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[AFMUG] Outdoor Shielded Cat5 Jumpers

[Matt]

Looking for a source of shielded outdoor cat5 jumpers around 3 foot.
To go from surge arrestor to AP.  Anyone have a source?  We currently
make them ourselves but looking at other cheaper faster options.

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Matt]

How long did the outage last?  Did you hear what cause and resolution
was?  We are about to move our first site to CBRS.


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else 
> having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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[AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

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Have a tower and a bundle of cat5's going up.  Seems raccoons(I
assume) climb up occasionally and chew on cat5 wires.  Had one other
tower this happened.  Anyone else have this happen?

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Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

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What do you use for termination of this BBDGE on tower top etc?

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:18 AM Steve Jones  wrote:
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> BBDGE stops them from getting to the cable, occasionally theyll still get the 
> outer jacket, but then the copper shield stops them and the inner jacket 
> protects the cable
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:15 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
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>> Yup all kinds of critters love cabling, I think it has a soy based product 
>> in it or something.
>>
>> Solution is to put the cable in armored liquidtight conduit.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=liquidtight&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:06 AM Matt  wrote:
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>>> Have a tower and a bundle of cat5's going up.  Seems raccoons(I
>>> assume) climb up occasionally and chew on cat5 wires.  Had one other
>>> tower this happened.  Anyone else have this happen?
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[AFMUG] Shielded Cat-5 Tester

[Matt]

What is everyone using for a durable field cat-5 tester?

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[AFMUG] Ping Graphing

[Matt]

I am trouble shooting some intermittent issues with eoip tunnels and
routing I use for modem management.  Does anyone know of something I
can run on linux to ping a host/hosts once a second and graph results?

Like MRTG but able to see 1 second resolution etc?  I know MRTG is old
but I still use it a great deal.

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[AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Matt]

Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router?  Where and how much?  We
have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem
management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a
cloud solution might be better.

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[AFMUG] Cat5 Stripper

[Matt]

We use EZ cat5 connectors and switched from single jacketed outdoor
shielded cat5 too double jacketed.  What is everyone using for a cat5
stripper?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cloud Hosted Mikrotik

[Matt]

Managed to get it setup on Linode and seems to be working quite well.

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:CHR_Linode

Anyone else using Linode?

> Anyone using a cloud hosted Mikrotik router?  Where and how much?  We
> have one Mikrotik we use to terminate a number of tunnels for modem
> management and when its fiber got cut last time it made us think a
> cloud solution might be better.

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[AFMUG] WiFi Coverage in Home

[Matt]

I always use MikroTik routers. I assume it is all noise etc but it seems
like I have an issue with getting throughput on my front porch etc. What is
everyone’s favorite router for home use? Using hap ac now.
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Re: [AFMUG] Domain Registration

[Matt]

> dynadot .
>
> Switched from godaddy to namecheap quite a few years ago, and moved on to 
> dynadot last year.   Renewal prices for .com, .net, .org. and .info are all 
> less expensive and I like the UI they have.
>

Dynadot does seem to have a nice simple UI.  Appears that dynadot
offers DNS hosting.  Are you using that and if so how well has it
worked?


> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 7:36 AM Matt  wrote:
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>> What is everyone's favorite register now days?
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Re: [AFMUG] a real af question

[Matt]

> I need to connect two offices with fiber.  Going to put a switch on both ends 
> with an SFP.
> 48 volts power.  Rack mount.  I need a recommendation.  I may do Netonix but 
> I would like to hear opinions.

Why not MikroTik CRS rack mount with SFP or SFP+ ports?

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[AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage

[Matt]

Any ideas when the shortages on these will stop? Was wanting to order
a few of them for a monitoring project but they're just not available.
I do not want to feed scalpers either.

I guess this relates to the shortages of many things.

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Re: [AFMUG] Progress...

[Matt]

What software are you using to create the diagrams?

For securing to the backplane, are you tapping the holes?


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> Finally got relays!!  We should have it wrapped by tomorrow before noon...we 
> have tested all the connections from PLC to terminal blocks...we will fire it 
>  tomorrow before we take to job site and land it in enclosure...electricians 
> will hook up power and then we can start landing wires from devices and 
> levels...
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Re: [AFMUG] Domain Registration

[Matt]

On a related question, who is everyone using for domain hosting?  Have
a few domains and need a few email addresses each.  Some will have
email hosted elsewhere though.  Looking for low cost hopefully.  I am
just trying to eliminate the number of in house boxes I must keep up
to date.

On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 8:35 AM Matt  wrote:
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[AFMUG] Durable Tower Compass

[Matt]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a compass for tower work?  Need
to insure sectors are somewhat accurate.  Compass on phone hard to see
in bright light etc.

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Re: [AFMUG] Durable Tower Compass

[Matt]

I know compassess are not the greatest especially around lots of
steel.  I was thinking we could hold it a few feet from the tower on
top to get a bearing on a landmark.

The way I currently do it is draw a line on google earth and find a
landmark in one of the directions I need.  It's fairly easy after
aiming one sector based on a landmark to sight 90 degrees off of it to
find another landmark for other sectors.  A square is occasionally
helpful.  Issue is occasionally that landmark you thought would be
easily visible is not that identifiable from tower top.  I just wanted
something cheap, easy and could always be in the toolbox.


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 5:57 PM  wrote:
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> I am sure you already know that compass headings are really unreliable due
> to the tower steel.
>
> I have a guy on the ground start walking with a gps.  After a few tries he
> gets the line we need established.  From that I use some kind of landmark,
> like the guys head or a tree or rock or something.  Inclinometers are deadly
> accurate.  If you have your inclination dead on, then if you are close with
> azimuth you will find it right away.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 3:54 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Durable Tower Compass
>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for a compass for tower work?  Need
> to insure sectors are somewhat accurate.  Compass on phone hard to see
> in bright light etc.
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[AFMUG] Google Earth Import

[Matt]

In Google Earth you can import a text csv file with coordinates
formatted like so.

Latitude, Longitude
41.5, -130.5
41.6, -130.6
41.7, -130.7
41.8, -130.8
41.9, -130.9

It just shows up as dots on google earth.  Gray dots with no label. Is
there a way to have each point have a label such as IP address and/or
name on the google earth map?

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[AFMUG] POE Site Survey Battery Options

[Matt]

What is everyone using to power up an SM for site surveys nowadays?

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Re: [AFMUG] POE Site Survey Battery Options

[Matt]

I just found this:

https://mikrotik.com/product/mqs

I assume I can just use a crossover cable to power up a PMP450b.
Anyone used them?  I am not sure we need the wifi, our SMs are
pre-programmed to lock on the tower.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 9:28 AM Matt  wrote:
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> What is everyone using to power up an SM for site surveys nowadays?

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik SPF

[Matt]

Is there a Mikrotik rackmount switch with at least 8 SPF ports that
powers off of DC?

https://mikrotik.com/products/group/switches

Looking just not finding what I want.

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[AFMUG] RJ11 to Heaphone Adapter

[Matt]

For the Cambium SMs anyone know of a source for RJ11 to 2.5mm headphone jack?

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[AFMUG] j-arms

[Matt]

Where is everyone getting j-arms nowadays?

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[AFMUG] Tower Grounding

[Matt]

I have seen some towers that have a copper ground wire run all the way
to top of tower.  Is there any real benefit in this for lightning
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding

[Matt]

I have seen brass clamps what clamp around the copper cable then also
clamp to flat iron to to attach to tower on path down. Where can I get
such a thing or what are the called?

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:01 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:
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> Definitely. A 2/0 or larger exothermically welded to a top mounted ground rod 
> to the ground system at bottom improves conducting strikes to earth greatly. 
> Counting on tower sections to conduct the strike to ground is unreliable at 
> best.
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 12:32 PM Matt  wrote:
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>> I have seen some towers that have a copper ground wire run all the way
>> to top of tower.  Is there any real benefit in this for lightning
>> protection?
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[AFMUG] Office Laser Printer

[Matt]

What is a good affordable office laser printer?

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Re: [AFMUG] Office Laser Printer

[Matt]

> What is a good affordable office laser printer?

I should add network, black and white and just printer.  No scanning,
faxing and etc.  I want all our employees in given section to use it
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Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs

[Matt]

That is good news.  Hope its not that screwed together half aluminum
case though.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 3:44 PM Kurt Fankhauser
 wrote:
>
> Can not believe nobody else has chimed in with the good news here. Talked to 
> Matt at the Cambium Booth last week as Wispalooza, he said spring 2020 they 
> will be releasing the old form factor SM again (5ghz only) with the new 450b 
> guts inside. He also said there will not be a speedcap. sounded like 
> $250/'ish price range. I can not tell you how amazing this was to hear as we 
> have literally over 500-700 reflectors out that is so convenient to be able 
> to just swap the bare SM and not have to do re-alignments.
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:24 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Maybe they just need to go with something like TwistPort and let 3rd party 
>> manufacturers sell dishes.  Oh, right, regulatory approvals.  Nonethless, I 
>> suspect that may be where they are headed with the connectorized SM.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 5:13 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> If they sold me a full 2' dish at 28dbi then I could definitely find places 
>> to use that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2019 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, a one year delay is a pretty big oops, but it’s not really a solution 
>> to the problem anyway.  Except that 450b gets rid of the hated speed caps 
>> and also enables 5.1 GHz sub band.  I’m not thrilled about SMA connectors on 
>> the top, KPP included a nice mounting post for the current style 
>> connectorized SM, I’ll have to see if it still works with the new SM.
>>
>>
>>
>> What they probably need is a slightly larger and also deeper parabolic dish, 
>> get the gain back to 25 dBi, and better sidelobe performance.  Or get to the 
>> bottom of why the 450d/450b style dish seems so much more susceptible to 
>> reflection and multipath degradation.  I think Cambium expected higher xmt 
>> power would compensate for lower antenna gain, but that does nothing for 
>> downstream.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard a rumor they were redesigning or eliminating the cable gland?  Was 
>> that mentioned at Wispapalooza?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SMs
>>
>>
>>
>> They are coming out with a 450b connectorized but at wispapalooza they said 
>> it was delayed until March 2020 (it was supposed to ship March of 2019)
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 9:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> Okay I haven't paid a lot of attention to PMP450 since I've been in a
>> Telrad shop for a few years.  It looks like the old style SM was
>> discontinued.
>>
>> The Old SM + Reflector was said to have 25dbi of gain.
>>
>> The replacement 450b "high gain" integrated dish is 22dbi.
>>
>> Are you kidding me?  Cambium, why you takin' my db's away bro?
>>
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[AFMUG] Tripod on Roof

[Matt]

When removing a tripod from a roof we frequently drill the rivets out
and leave the feet so to not cause leaks.  Is it possible to reorder
those rivets and feet so we can reuse the tripod rather then throwing
them away?

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[AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert

[Matt]

We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert.  For 24 volt systems we use.

DRP-240-24 - power supply
DR-UPS40 - battery revert

I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48.

So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt?

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[AFMUG] Iperf Help

[Matt]

I need to test for latency and jitter between two linux boxes I have
terminal access too.  The iperf examples I have found seem to just
care about bandwidth.

I tried this:

server> iperf -s -u -p 8042

client> iperf -c x.x.x.x -u -p 8042 -b 1m -t 30 -i 1 -f m

How do I get it to display latency, jitter, packet loss and etc?

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Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert

[Matt]

So what is the remote link for?


On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to
> use the TSP+BCM combo.
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>>
>>
>>
>> I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the
>> remote link on the BCM.
>>
>> https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but
>> it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>>
>>
>>
>> I use the TSP-BCM48(A).
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>> Around $170
>>
>>
>>
>> Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to
>> feed it.
>>
>>
>>
>> And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Matt <
>> matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>>
>>
>>
>> This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's
>> functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs
>> this for RLH.
>>
>>
>> https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>
>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>>
>> On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
>>
>> We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert.  For 24 volt systems we 
>> use.
>>
>>
>>
>> DRP-240-24 - power supply
>>
>> DR-UPS40 - battery revert
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 
>> 48.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Iperf Help

[Matt]

This seems to do what I wanted for most part.

server> iperf3 -s -V
client> iperf3 -c x.x.x.x -i 1 -t 60 -V -u -b .2M

Another neat tool:
https://github.com/orf/gping


On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 11:26 AM Josh Luthman
 wrote:
>
> fping is a lot better to parse with
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 8:44 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> ping -i .2 -s 1400 -f -c 300 x.x.x.x
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/2019 7:31 PM, Matt wrote:
>> > I need to test for latency and jitter between two linux boxes I have
>> > terminal access too.  The iperf examples I have found seem to just
>> > care about bandwidth.
>> >
>> > I tried this:
>> >
>> > server> iperf -s -u -p 8042
>> >
>> > client> iperf -c x.x.x.x -u -p 8042 -b 1m -t 30 -i 1 -f m
>> >
>> > How do I get it to display latency, jitter, packet loss and etc?
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert

[Matt]

TSP-BCM48(A).

https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml

So what is a good Traco PS to use with this at around 10 amps?


On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:37 AM Matt  wrote:
>
> We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert.  For 24 volt systems we 
> use.
>
> DRP-240-24 - power supply
> DR-UPS40 - battery revert
>
> I want to move to 48 volt battery banks now instead of up converting 24 to 48.
>
> So what is a version of DR-UPS40 that is DIN mount and supports 48 volt?

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Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert

[Matt]

>> Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to
be an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you
want.

I would really rather stick with the Mean Well NDR-480-48 but I simply
cannot find a Mean Well battery revert for it.


On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I really don’t view it as an optional feature.  The way the Traco BCM
> works is that it controls the voltage of the power supply so rather than
> the nominal voltage like 24 or 48 volts, it is set to the proper voltage to
> charge the battery, like 28 or 56 volts.  It comes with a little 2 wire
> jumper cable that goes between the power supply and BCM, and also a
> temperature sensor that you attach to the batteries.  If you’re not going
> to use it that way, I think maybe  you should find a different product.
>
>
>
> I’m guessing you are using the manual voltage adjust on the Mean Well
> power supply with a voltmeter to set the voltage to the float voltage you
> want for the batteries and also the voltage that the loads will see.  If
> the batteries are outside and subject to varying temperature, this is going
> to undercharge or overcharge your batteries depending on time of year,
> solar heating, etc.  The BCM will allow a fairly sizable battery charging
> current, so overcharging will probably reduce battery life quite a bit.
> Undercharging will hurt your runtime.  Overall, it’s non optimum.  You’re
> using the Mean Well as a dumb charger, and the BCM as an expensive low
> voltage disconnect.  Not sure why you don’t want to use the TSP series
> power supply.
>
>
>
> Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be
> an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 11:56 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> I think temperature compensation.  BCM signals TSP to adjust voltage.
>
> I assume the AC alarm comes through that link cable too.
>
>
>
> On 11/22/2019 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Matt
> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> So what is the remote link for?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to
> use the TSP+BCM combo.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the
> remote link on the BCM.
>
> https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf
>
>
>
> I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but
> it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> I use the TSP-BCM48(A).
>
>
>
> https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml
>
>
>
> Around $170
>
>
>
> Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to
> feed it.
>
>
>
> And a string of four 12v 52AH batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Matt <
> matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> This one is for 48V. It's not Meanwell and it's expensive, but it's
> functionally the same as the DR-UPS40, but for 48V. I imagine Meanwell OEMs
> this for RLH.
>
>
> https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/48vdc-ups-battery-charge-controller-module/
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 11/21/19 10:37 AM, Matt wrote:
>
> We use Meanwell DIN mount stuff for battery revert.  For 24 volt systems we 
&

Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert

[Matt]

An ice storm knocks the power line going to this tower site down.  I need
batteries until power is restored then I revert back to AC when power is
restored and also trickle charge batteries.  I also typically have a
packetflux site monitor polled every five minutes giving me reports on
battery voltage etc.

It used to be most our stuff was 24 volt and we used DRP-240-24 - power
supply and DR-UPS40 to connect to batteries.  Now most our stuff is PMP450i
or better and we need mostly 48+ volts.  We have have been doing DC to DC
to get the 48-55 volts but that is starting to seem very inefficient.


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 5:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> OK, I’ve got to ask.  What does “revert” mean in this context?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2019 4:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> >> Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to
> be an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you
> want.
>
>
>
> I would really rather stick with the Mean Well NDR-480-48 but I simply
> cannot find a Mean Well battery revert for it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I really don’t view it as an optional feature.  The way the Traco BCM
> works is that it controls the voltage of the power supply so rather than
> the nominal voltage like 24 or 48 volts, it is set to the proper voltage to
> charge the battery, like 28 or 56 volts.  It comes with a little 2 wire
> jumper cable that goes between the power supply and BCM, and also a
> temperature sensor that you attach to the batteries.  If you’re not going
> to use it that way, I think maybe  you should find a different product.
>
>
>
> I’m guessing you are using the manual voltage adjust on the Mean Well
> power supply with a voltmeter to set the voltage to the float voltage you
> want for the batteries and also the voltage that the loads will see.  If
> the batteries are outside and subject to varying temperature, this is going
> to undercharge or overcharge your batteries depending on time of year,
> solar heating, etc.  The BCM will allow a fairly sizable battery charging
> current, so overcharging will probably reduce battery life quite a bit.
> Undercharging will hurt your runtime.  Overall, it’s non optimum.  You’re
> using the Mean Well as a dumb charger, and the BCM as an expensive low
> voltage disconnect.  Not sure why you don’t want to use the TSP series
> power supply.
>
>
>
> Somebody suggested the 48V version of the Mean Well USP that appears to be
> an exclusive OEM by that fiber equipment company, that may be what you want.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 11:56 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> I think temperature compensation.  BCM signals TSP to adjust voltage.
>
> I assume the AC alarm comes through that link cable too.
>
>
>
> On 11/22/2019 12:43 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> What am I missing not using the TSP power supply and remote link?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Matt
> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> So what is the remote link for?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:56 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> So you're not taking advantage of one of the most compelling reasons to
> use the TSP+BCM combo.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:51 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I don’t use the remote link, or the TSP PS units.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:17 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> I wouldn’t think the Mean Well power supply would be compatible with the
> remote link on the BCM.
>
> https://www.tracopower.com/products/tsp-bcm.pdf
>
>
>
> I think the TSP-BCMU360 can be fed from any brand of power supply, but
> it’s a different animal probably best for smallish batteries.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 21, 2019 5:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 48 Volt Battery Revert
>
>
>
> I use the TSP-BCM48(A).
>
>
>
> https://www.trcelectronics.com/View/TRACO-Power/TSP-BCM48.shtml
>
>
>
> Around $170
>
>
>
> Takes a 48v input, so I use the Mean Well 48v 10A PSU for about $100 to
> feed it.
>

[AFMUG] Cheap Solar Option?

[Matt]

Have a remote location I would like WiFi at. What would cheapest solar way
to power PMP450 Sm, Mikrotik WiFi router and something like Wyze cam? It
would not need to be super reliable in event of cloudy days etc.
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[AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Matt]

Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
What is everyone using?

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[AFMUG] Schematic Drawings

[Matt]

What is everyone using to make simple schematic drawings?  Preferably
free or cheap?  Basically need a simple panel wired and want to print
a block diagram of how everything needs wired.

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[AFMUG] video surveillance system

[Matt]

Does anyone know of a 'quality' video surveillance system for use in
small business etc?  Something that has DVR and IOS and Android apps?

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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi analyzer apps for iOS

[Matt]

The "Apple Airport Utility" has some very basic wifi scanning abilities.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:22 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> OK, I’m not an Apple person.  Not a big ideology thing, just don’t own any 
> Apple devices except for an old eMac in the attic and my wife’s very old iPad.
>
>
>
> So I’ve been using Ubiquiti’s WiFiman app on my phone.  I’m not a big 
> Ubiquiti person either, but the app is really quick and easy to use, so I 
> guess it appeals to my laziness.  I tried a few others and they seemed fussy 
> and didn’t give me the info I wanted and WiFiman just works.
>
>
>
> Apparently the iOS version of WiFiman doesn’t have any WiFi features, so it 
> would be useless to me.  I’m seeing conflicting information about Apple 
> supposedly locking all 3rd party app vendors out from accessing the WiFi 
> info.  Yet there seem to be iOS WiFi analyzers out there.
>
>
>
> Is there a good WiFi analyzer for iOS?  And if it’s true that Apple locks 
> them out from accessing the WiFi chip info, how do they do it?  Or is there 
> some official Apple app you have to use?  I’m not talking about the info you 
> get in Settings > WiFi when you go to join a WiFi network, that’s very 
> limited, not enough to optimize your router placement and configuration.
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[AFMUG] Canopy POE Conversion

[Matt]

Does anyone know of an outdoor device to take a Canopy 24 volt POE
source and convert it too Canopy 48 volt POE?

I have a PMP450 I want to swap for a PMP450i without swapping POE
power source in a pinch.

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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Matt]

Kind of like handles but not essential.  Be super nice if it fit in this though.
https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Hinged-Mounting-Bracket-WALLMOUNTH1/dp/B9ADH3

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:09 AM Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on rackmount 
> devices.
>
> I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the 
> RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that should make 
> things better for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too much 
> just in case this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to 
> hot-swappable cards.
>
> With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the 
> existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So I'm 
> thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping 
> issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.
>
> My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are nice 
> when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.   On 
> occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.   But 
> on the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to 
> neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing 
> the enclosure.
>
> I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...
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[AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Matt]

I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
thought I would ask.

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[AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[Matt]

Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?

Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think
when it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain
when it happens.

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Matt]

> Have you considered running your own on-net speedtest.net server?  It's dead 
> simple.
>

Better yet.
https://github.com/librespeed/speedtest

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Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[Matt]

> This is a little off the subject but more to do with water migration.
>
> Decades of working with coaxial cable on towers has taught me that a small 
> cut out of the jacket at the bottom of a drop loop before entering a shelter 
> or cabinet goes a long way to preventing water migration into connectors.

I put a new connector on and do that on runs that have gotten water in
them.  Just hate to do it on a good run but its a good point.  Always
leave a generous service loop now days to make this possible.


>
> Water is a lot like electricity... Always seeking the path of least 
> resistance.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:06 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> I agree. We've been using the shireen stuff on towers for awhile. If there's 
>> a bad enough leak, it will eventually make it to the bottom, but it's 
>> definitely better than nothing.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 4:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> We use the Shireen stuff.  I'd rate the dry gel tape as good not great.
>>> It's certainly better than the Belden we used to use, which has a cellophane
>>> like wrap that seems to guide the water all the way to the RJ45 at the
>>> bottom.
>>>
>>> The tape gets soggy, it doesn't turn into water blocking gel like in a gel
>>> filled cable.  I'm not sure how I feel about some soggy tape inside the
>>> cable 100 feet up, but I don't think I've experienced drops of water coming
>>> out the bottom of any of the Shireen cable.  You absolutely do want to tape
>>> or otherwise weatherproof the ends of any spare cables though, or they will
>>> absorb water and you'll have to cut off several feet if you ever want to
>>> terminate and use them.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:16 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape
>>>
>>> Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
>>> Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?
>>>
>>> Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think when
>>> it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain when it
>>> happens.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[Matt]

So how does dry tape work anyway?  I assumed it had some dry powder
type glue in it and when exposed to water absorbed and cured blocking
further passage of water?  But not at all sure?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Matt]

> The nice thing about this method is that it's all passive components.
>
> I might still rather do the switch at top with PoE in+out and VLAN per SM.  
> Without actually adding everything up I'd wager that the cost was about the 
> sameor comparable at least.  The operational difference is in whether you 
> have more faith in the brains out in the field or more faith in the brains in 
> the office configuring switches.  And if the building had more than 2 units 
> it might matter that you can add a 3rd or 4th SM this way.
>
> Or the ultimate lesson to take away from this:  If you're running a difficult 
> and time consuming cable path then pull extra cables at the same time.  It's 
> hard to get employees to look past the current job and think about how they 
> can help themselves in the future, but it's nice if they can.
>

Very very true.  In this case the wire run was not that difficult
around 3 years ago.  Then they remodeled the entire building.

If I ever remodel/build a home or business I am thinking of running in
wall micro duct to each location etc.



> On 1/29/2020 12:52 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> The differing twist lengths are engineered to minimize crosstalk between the 
> pairs.   If all of them have the same number of twists per inch then you will 
> find that the same wires tend to be next to each other down the length of the 
> cable.   If instead you have each of them have a different number of twists 
> such that over the length of the cable the amount of time each is in contact 
> with each other tends to be more even, reducing crosstalk.
>
> I suspect in some cases having two separate links running through the same 
> cable will hurt performance because you will get crosstalk from the other 
> link which you may not be able to cancel out using an echo canceller.  
> Probably depends on the length and specifics of the link.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Each pair has a different number of twists per inch.  In Cat5 and Cat5e 
>> cable I observe the green and orange pairs, which are the data pairs, have 
>> the tightest twists.  I don’t remember if Cat6 is similar.  This leads me to 
>> believe the blue and brown pairs may have inferior crosstalk performance.  
>> But GigE uses all 4 pairs for data, so my theory is probably wrong.  I guess 
>> the important thing is that none of the pairs have the same number of twists.
>>
>>
>>
>> The reason I mention this is sometimes I see people assert that if you split 
>> a Cat5 cable into 2 as is being discussed, it will hurt the performance.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
>> Account)
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 5:24 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter
>>
>>
>>
>> This is actually pretty simple:
>>
>>
>>
>> Split the CAT5 into two, two pairs per radio, put the pairs on the data 
>> line.   At the bottom use a 24V gigabit capable injector which puts the 
>> power on the data pairs.  We have a couple at PacketFlux, Chuck makes a 
>> couple, and there are others available.   The goal here is to get the 24V 
>> riding the data line along with the data.So effectively you have two 
>> 10/100 capable links up with power on them.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the top, you reverse the process  get a device which will pull the 
>> power off of the data pairs, probably one of them from Chuck.   (See 
>> 800-GigE-PoE as an example).   Plug the cable from the bottom in the PoE 
>> port, then build yourself a cable for the radio which puts the extracted 
>> power on 4,5,7,8 and the data pins where they belong.
>>
>>
>>
>> You could also use a single midspan Gigabit PoE injector at the bottom with 
>> power on all 4 pairs, then remove it using a similar one at the top.   Then 
>> your long CAT5 stays unsplit, and the splitting and PoE mess is all in a 
>> single cable harness.   To do this you'd take two cat5 cables, and then wire 
>> the 1,2,3,6 pairs from each cable into a single RJ45 (putting one on 1,2,3,6 
>> and the other on 4,5,7,8) which gets plugged into the non-PoE side of the 
>> extractor.   Then the remaining 4,5,7,8 wires you'd connect to the power 
>> which came out of the PoE extractor at the top. The bottom harness would 
>> be similar but for simplicity you can just put 24V in the injector and not 
>> connect 4,5,7,8 on either CAT5.   Now I think about this, this is what I'd 
>> probably do and just use a single 800-GigE-PoE top and bottom.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat

[Matt]

Keep hoping that Mikrotik v7 will have codel.  If you look at there
forum many requests for it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Billing Platform

[Matt]

Waking this thread up a bit since I have been told it is a priority
for us again.  We use a in house built PHP/MySQL application right
now.  How would Sonar compare to VISP?


On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:34 PM David Coudron
 wrote:
>
> We were originally using Powercode but switched to Sonar a little over a year 
> ago.   Both worked well.   Inventory management under Sonar was more trouble 
> than we expected, but graphing and other items are better.   Powercode is 
> faster, you can sort lists better, and the probes were always more reliable 
> than Sonar.   Sonar's integration through Mikrotik is messy, but we moved to 
> Preseem and the integration through Preseem is very clean and very easy.  
> Overall, we are happy with the Sonar plus Preseem combination.  We have some 
> ongoing problem points with Sonar, but feel like we made the right long term 
> move.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
> Advantenon, Inc.
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  
> |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:38 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Billing Platform
>
> Looking at outsourcing our database, ticketing and billing platform.
> What is everyone using?
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[AFMUG] Domain Registration

[Matt]

What is everyone's favorite register now days?

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[AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Matt]

We use cheap DYMO label machines to label cat-5 tower runs etc.
Within 6 months you cannot read the labels used outdoors but you
usually do not need too.  Does anyone know of outdoor UV resistant
cartridges for them or for any label machine?

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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Matt]

What is the end determination with this?  Will it happen again?  Do the GPS
receivers need replaced?
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Re: [AFMUG] UV Resistant Label Machine

[Matt]

>
> I use the heat shrink stock for the rhinos. They are UV listed.
>
> http://www.dymo.com/en-US/ind-heat-shrink-tube-1-4-in
>
>
>
>>>Choose from 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 3/4" and 1" label widths

What size do you need for outdoor shielded cat-5?
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[AFMUG] Repairs

[Matt]

Who all does cambium 450 repairs etc?

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[AFMUG] Web Hosting

[Matt]

I am looking for some inexpensive web hosting for some less critical
domains.  Must support multiple domains and email accounts with decent
webmail.  Hopefully support letsencrypt for web and email.  What is
everyone using?  Seems like everything I find has a really good price
then auto renews at triple or more the price.

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Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?

[Matt]

How long is LTS on Ubuntu compared to what Centos was?  I think LTS is 5
years vs 10 years with Centos?





On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 8:04 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I just rebuilt our librenms server on ubuntu. It doesnt seem bad, lots of
> google answers. Webmin looks cool, dont knownifnits the new webmin or
> because it's on ubuntu. I dont care for the weird adapter naming and this
> yaml thing for configuring them. Commands arent that different.
> Not sure if theres a way to enable root user or not.
> I like that a lot of google advice is nano centric and not vi, I never
> could figure out vi
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 7:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Cool.  I hope they change the name though.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is reminding me of Mickey Mouse as the Sorcerer’s Apprentice in
>> Fantasia, when he tries to stop the broom with an ax, only to have the
>> splinters turn into a multitude of brooms.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 6:23 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>>
>>
>>
>> More options:
>>
>>
>> https://www.zdnet.com/article/cloudlinux-to-invest-more-than-a-million-dollar-a-year-into-centos-clone/
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 12/13/2020 12:42 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> RHEL pricing is highly dependent on volume.  Nobody typically pays
>> advertised pricing.  But, it's still not cheap, especially at scale.  You
>> can buy per instance (or guest) or license an entire hypervisor for
>> unlimited instances of RHEL.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your subscription basically allows you to access their repository of
>> updates (think yum/dnf update), knowledge base, and ability to open cases
>> (with some levels of subscription).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Just to cover all the bases, what does it cost to use RHEL?  I find their
>> web page a little confusing.  Is it $350 or $800?  And that’s per server
>> per year, right?  Does it turn into a pumpkin if you don’t renew the
>> license every year?  That seems pretty expensive especially if you don’t
>> need support and are basically just getting a distribution and repositories
>> for open source software.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually I’m still a little confused about their pricing.  The $350
>> version says no VMs and not intended for production use.  Does that mean
>> you are violating the terms of the license if you use it in production, or
>> just their way of saying you can’t open support tickets?  And are there
>> add-ons that would be cost yet more for a basic server application?
>>
>>
>>
>> For the first few years I actually used RHEL, I forget if I had to pay
>> upfront or every year.  That just does not sound feasible.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lincs Chel
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2020 1:27 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centos is dead?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Josh;
>>
>> OK.  Thanks for expanding your thoughts and info on the Oracle Linux
>> distro and Oracle.  It allows one to appreciate the context.  This will
>> certainly educate and assist an inexperienced Linux user who is information
>> gathering to make some sound judgements about the CentOS and Oracle Linux
>> distros and where to go.
>>
>> Yeah, I concur with your view that the majority of users that is
>> currently using the free CentOS distro, is most likely going to be seeking
>> the same in any alternative they elect to use as a replacement for CentOS.
>> Also Oracle's past history on acquisitions and Open Source projects
>> certainly makes one really think hard about going into their camp;  Java,
>> MySQL, ZFS etc. comes to mind.
>>
>> Most of the Linux training I have come across so far also seems to use
>> CentOS as a start.  So this will be interesting as well.
>>
>> Lincoln
>>
>> On 13/12/2020 10:02 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> Lincs,
>>
>>
>>
>> One could also say that Stream is also a "direct binary replacement" for
>> CentOS.  In fact, to switch a CentOS system to Steam, all you need to do is
>> modify your repo definitions.
>>
>>
>>
>> You are correct, OL isn't meant to be only used for Oracle software and
>> appliances, but it usually is. I didn't mean to insinuate otherwise.  You
>> will very rarely find a shop running OL just because they want to.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bottom line - Oracle is a monster that I don't want to get in bed with.
>> I was in the enterprise sector for many years and saw first hand how
>> terrible Oracle's products and software really is.  I have watched
>> companies spend *millions* of dollars on Oracle products that are barely
>> functional and could have been replaced with other working solutions at a
>> fraction of the cost. Nothing you say will convince me otherwise :)  To
>> each his own, though!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ultimately, I don't believe the majority of CentOS users will want to pay
>> for RHEL/OL.  They will just switch to Steam/Rocky/etc or make the move to
>> Debian (which can be a massive undertaking in itself 

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

[Matt]

> I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of recent 
> allocations without issue.

Ditto, had a new IP allocation about a year ago.  Updated reverse DNS
etc and just used it.  No issues.  I am not sure if it makes a
difference but we do a reverse and matching forward DNS entry for
every IP address.



>> NO NO NO NO
>> We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP 
>> reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada prior. 
>> We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions process. 
>> Allocations given out now are dirty
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will 
>>> figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on 
>>> netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would 
>>> submit for a correction.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

 No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
 It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...

 From: TJ Trout
 Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
 To: Chuck McCown
 Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

 why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having 
 geoip related issues?

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a 
> way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending 
> lots of emails.
>
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>
> Many databases no fee.
>
> Check this
>
> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Is there just one geo location database?
>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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[AFMUG] Outdoor 16U Rack

[Matt]

Anyone found an outdoor wall mount rack?  16U range?

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik PPPoE Server

[Matt]

For those using Mikrotik for a PPPoE server, what queue type are you using?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Helicopter on Mars

[Matt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhsZUZmJvaM

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Re: [AFMUG] Brake cleaner

[Matt]

I just always buy a waterproof iphone case with decent reviews off
amazon.  Scrub the case every few months instead of the iphone itself.
Got to read the reviews to find one with decent audio though.  Buy a
lifeproof waterproof case if you want the best.


On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 8:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Once again I got my iPhone speaker full of grease and dirt while pressure 
> washing.  Almost lost all audio.  Once again I hosed it out with liberal 
> quantities of brake cleaner.  Works like new.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Need to replace CCR1072 being used for NAT

[Matt]

Is it something specific with the CCR1072? We have been using the
CCR1036 units for quite a while and have had no issues. Not doing NAT
but doing BGP and firewalling etc.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 1:22 PM castarritt  wrote:
>
> We have had a CCR1072 doing all our NAT for years, but lately it has been 
> unstable.  Obviously, we can't just turn off connection tracking, so it looks 
> like we will be replacing it.  We are looking at switching to a CHR solution, 
> but we don't know what kind of hardware would be ideal, or how performance 
> would compare to a CCR.  We are pushing ~6.5g of traffic at peak, and CPU 
> usage on the 1072 tops out around 25-30%.
>
> Maxxwave has their "Vengeance 3" with an 8-core 9900k CPU, or we could get a 
> used R630 with 2x E5-2698V4 20-core CPUs for about the same money.  The 9900k 
> would be faster for single-threaded processes, but the server would have way 
> more cores and cache.
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[AFMUG] Cable Ties

[Matt]

What is everyone's favorite cables ties? Prefer ones that don't snap
after a few years in UV.

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[AFMUG] Duct

[Matt]

What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.

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Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[Matt]

> pex tubing, cheap as dirt

What size do you use for cat5? Where do you get it?

>> What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
>> fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
>> have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.

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Re: [AFMUG] Duct

[Matt]

>
> black waterline works cheap too

Where do get this and what is it exactly called?

>> pex tubing, cheap as dirt
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:50 PM Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>> What is everyone using as a duct for shorter runs to bury cat5 or
>>> fiber in?  Looking for something cheap for mostly cat5. It's a pain to
>>> have direct burial stuff struck etc. then have to redo the entire run.
>>>

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[AFMUG] Web and Email Hosting

[Matt]

What is everyone using for inexpensive web hosting? Have a handful of
domains and email addresses. Was looking at Hostinger, Bluehost, A2
Hosting or Hostgator.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Matt]

Have you tried Tile App?


On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 3:54 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> If something comes up missing, can you get in and poll it?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 24, 2021 2:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>
> I've had mine for a couple of years.  I'm happy.  Keep in mind the up
> front charge covers all the data for the next few years, too.  At $0/mo I'm
> much happier.
>
> The way the units are built I'm not feeling like they were intended for a
> battery replacement but once it's dead there's no reason not to pop it open
> and see what you can do.
>
> It's reporting once a day and that's what makes the battery last so long.
> Once you know there's a problem, you can enable constant monitoring (which
> could start anywhere from 1 minute to 24 hours).
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> The airtags test was a flop.  I put one on my son’s truck without him
>> knowing.  It would occasionally report a location while on a busy street or
>> highway but most of the time no.  He does not use an iphone so it was a
>> good test.
>>
>> The lack of reporting in frequently along with the lack of history of the
>> locations make them unusable for tracking equipment for the purpose of
>> finding it when it is missing.
>>
>> Interested in the thing Paul Dowling is working on.
>>
>> gpsandfleet.com is pretty spendy.  Can you replace the battery?
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:02 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>> There's a guy on YouTube who mailed airtags to n Korea and several other
>> places just to track them for a video, pretty interesting. They seem to
>> work pretty good, dare I say almost as good as a cellular tracker?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 9:11 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For trailers and stuff?  I use gpsandfleet.com - it's a $250 one time
>>> purchase and works until the battery dies.  Do a 1 poll/day cycle and it's
>>> 3-5 years.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Recurring payment expense is my main concern.

 *From:* can...@believewireless.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:46 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

 I have a cellular/GPS asset tracker coming out in a few months. Chuck,
 happy to let you test it out NC.

 On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some random
>> persons data plan?
>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a pretty
>> sneaky way of getting a free ride.
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the phone’s gps
>> to the tracking service.
>>
>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>
>>
>>
>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token
>> snagging enough “air time” to report home.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>> AF
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>>
>>
>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>
>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get
>> connectivity to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about 
>> blue
>> tooth but that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>
>

[AFMUG] 12 Volt DC to 120 VAC

[Matt]

Does anyone know of a small device to convert 12 Volt DC to 120 VAC at
10 - 20 watts and is DIN mounted?

I know there are tons that plug into cigarette plug but was wanting
something I could DIN or similar mount.

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[AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount

[Matt]

I need to mount a small steel pole to a wood light pole. The kits I
see online are like $300 range and way more robust than I need. Just
mounting a small yagi a few feet above the top of the wood pole. Does
anyone know of anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount

[Matt]

I like this but pricey but still will likely go with it if I find nothing else.
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/structural-support-tools-accessories/structural-support-equipment/structural-mounts/pipe-mounts/itemdb365w/

I saw one on a pole a few weeks back that had a banding bracket with a
hose clamp that went around the steel pipe and a long bolt that went
through the wood pole. Been looking online for something like that
with no luck. Its like above with bolt through pole but instead of
clamp kit it had a banding bracket and hose clamp to attach to the
metal pipe.

Have used j-arms for this before but they're flimsy and have had them
blow over in the wind. Not wanting that to happen in this application.


On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 9:29 AM Matt  wrote:
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> I need to mount a small steel pole to a wood light pole. The kits I
> see online are like $300 range and way more robust than I need. Just
> mounting a small yagi a few feet above the top of the wood pole. Does
> anyone know of anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount

[Matt]

Similar to this principle but much heavier.

https://www.grainger.com/product/BAND-IT-Banding-Bracket-Fits-3-4-in-2LNV5

Hose clamp goes through slots and around the steel pipe. Bolt goes
through the wood pole.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 5:27 PM  wrote:
>
> I've been wracking my brain on that description.  If there's band clamp it 
> usually goes the other way, with a band clamp around the pole and they give 
> you either a stud or a threaded hole to mount your equipment on.  I wonder if 
> they took a banding mount and just installed it backwards.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 2:54 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount
>
> I like this but pricey but still will likely go with it if I find nothing 
> else.
> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/structural-support-tools-accessories/structural-support-equipment/structural-mounts/pipe-mounts/itemdb365w/
>
> I saw one on a pole a few weeks back that had a banding bracket with a hose 
> clamp that went around the steel pipe and a long bolt that went through the 
> wood pole. Been looking online for something like that with no luck. Its like 
> above with bolt through pole but instead of clamp kit it had a banding 
> bracket and hose clamp to attach to the metal pipe.
>
> Have used j-arms for this before but they're flimsy and have had them blow 
> over in the wind. Not wanting that to happen in this application.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 9:29 AM Matt  wrote:
> >
> > I need to mount a small steel pole to a wood light pole. The kits I
> > see online are like $300 range and way more robust than I need. Just
> > mounting a small yagi a few feet above the top of the wood pole. Does
> > anyone know of anything?
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[AFMUG] Modbus TCP with Analog I/O

[Matt]

I am looking for an affordable ethernet TCP modbus addressed device
with multiple Analog/Digital I/O. Preferably DIN rail mountable.

Anybody know of anything?

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Re: [AFMUG] Sms alerting

[Matt]

Has anyone found an alternative to texting for alarm notifications?
Something like a cross platform app that has an API to send messages
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Re: [AFMUG] Sms alerting

[Matt]

https://pushover.net/
https://support.pushover.net/i29-e-mailing-notifications-to-your-devices

This looks interesting. Anyone tried it?

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[AFMUG] POE Switched Outlet

[Matt]

Has anyone seen something like this? What I want is the POE output on
a Mikrotik to go to an AC outlet and the AC outlet is only powered up
when there is POE present.

Logic behind this is I have a mikrotik doing a VPN connected to a
hotspot in a remote area and when it has issues they want me to reboot
the hotspot. That's a 30 mile drive.

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[AFMUG] Enterprise SATA Drives

[Matt]

Looking at updating the drives on one of our boxes we run proxmox on.
Is there a big difference between 7200 rpm drives labeled enterprise
vs simple 7200 rpm name brand drives?

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Re: [AFMUG] Enterprise SATA Drives

[Matt]

I rarely have ever had a disk fail.  Last 3 months I am on second one
in same RAID 10 array.  Both these drives, the one I already replaced
and the one alarming now, are same model and purchased together and
have ran for close too 3 years.  But I have busier drives that have
run much longer.

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[AFMUG] Drill Bits

[Matt]

Is there an inexpensive place to order drill bits? Seems like we have
sets with certain bits missing or dull and seems like ordering just
that one bit is half the cost of a complete new set. Seems so
wasteful.

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[AFMUG] 10Gbps SPF+ Modules

[Matt]

Anyone know of an in stock source for 10Gbps single mode SPF+ modules
that work with Mikrotik? Inexpensive would be great too.

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Re: [AFMUG] Tracking Down DualStack Problems

[Matt]

How are you delivering IPv6? Is there PPPoE in the mix? Maybe a packet
size issue?

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[AFMUG] Tower Top Box

[Matt]

Has anyone come up with a solution for tower top box to hold
PacketFlux SyncInjectors, Mikrotik CRS, and etc?

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[AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input

[Matt]

Has anyone connected and AirFiber11 to an Andrew dish with a CPR90G
connection and used both polarities?

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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input

[Matt]

Anyone found such adapters anywhere?
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:17 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> VHLP - ValuLine
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 13, 2018, at 6:08 PM,   wrote:
> >
> > I just made adapters for the VLP (I think).  Terribly slow in getting them 
> > out.
> > (Also working Exalt).
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Matt
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:03 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input
> >
> > Has anyone connected and AirFiber11 to an Andrew dish with a CPR90G
> > connection and used both polarities?
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input

[Matt]

Its looking like I need a different feedhorn that has separate
horizontal and vertical CPR90G connections.  Current feedhorn is
single pole.  What I cannot believe is that those CPR90G to N adapters
are over $400 each.

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>
> https://www.pasternack.com/images/ProductPDF/PE9836.pdf
>
> But that is a rectangular waveguide adapter and will not allow dual pol.
> Does your antenna have a circular or rectangular waveguide?  Got a photo?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:48 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input
>
> Anyone found such adapters anywhere?
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:17 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
> >
> > VHLP - ValuLine
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Nov 13, 2018, at 6:08 PM,   wrote:
> > >
> > > I just made adapters for the VLP (I think).  Terribly slow in getting
> > > them out.
> > > (Also working Exalt).
> > >
> > > -Original Message- From: Matt
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:03 PM
> > > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > > Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input
> > >
> > > Has anyone connected and AirFiber11 to an Andrew dish with a CPR90G
> > > connection and used both polarities?
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Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input

[Matt]

Not sure. Here is diagram that I think is similar.

https://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/7656



On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:24 AM  wrote:
>
> Is the feed tube clear out to the dielectric lens feed at the focal point of
> the parabola round or rectangular?
> If it is round, then there is a rectangular to round transition somewhere at
> the back of the antenna.  Those can be replaced to do dual pol.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:15 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input
>
> Its looking like I need a different feedhorn that has separate
> horizontal and vertical CPR90G connections.  Current feedhorn is
> single pole.  What I cannot believe is that those CPR90G to N adapters
> are over $400 each.
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
> >
> > https://www.pasternack.com/images/ProductPDF/PE9836.pdf
> >
> > But that is a rectangular waveguide adapter and will not allow dual pol.
> > Does your antenna have a circular or rectangular waveguide?  Got a photo?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:48 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input
> >
> > Anyone found such adapters anywhere?
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:17 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
> > >
> > > VHLP - ValuLine
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > > On Nov 13, 2018, at 6:08 PM,  
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just made adapters for the VLP (I think).  Terribly slow in getting
> > > > them out.
> > > > (Also working Exalt).
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message- From: Matt
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:03 PM
> > > > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > > > Subject: [AFMUG] AirFiber11 and CPR90G Input
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone connected and AirFiber11 to an Andrew dish with a CPR90G
> > > > connection and used both polarities?
> > > >
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Re: [AFMUG] Local Generator

[Matt]

On the same subject in our NOC we have a APC AP7723 AC transfer switch.
Has two AC inputs and if one fails automatically switches to the other.
Handy when doing maintenance on the UPS system.  Would like something like
that for when we use a generator at a remote site we can plug one input
into generator and other into AC power.  The idea is that hopefully when
the generator runs out of fuel power might be back on and save an urgent
trip to switch over.  Was thinking there should be something cheaper and
smaller than the APC unit?

This only applies to our small sites and rare extended outage.  Most our
main sites have a ~50 gallon propane tank and small generac with transfer
switch.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What's a good generator likely to be in-stock locally? Mine has gone
> missing. It doesn't need to be big. A couple hundred watts is more than
> enough. It just needs to produce clean power for a UPS to ingest.
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Galvanized Uclamps

[Matt]

Where are you guys getting galvanized Uclamps?  Occasionally we need
something to go around a round tower leg.  Then a bracket to attach a
dish or something.

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[AFMUG] Reverse DNS IPv6

[Matt]

Anyone have a simple example with bind of doing forward and reverse
DNS for both IPv4 and IPv6?  I cannot seem to get reverse DNS working
on IPv6.

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