Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Fail over

[Josh Luthman]

A DHCP client should ping the address before assigning it.  Not that it's a
rock solid way to prevent duplicate IPs, but a tool to be aware of.

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 4:42 PM Sterling Jacobson via AF 
wrote:

> Dennis, isn't that a recipe for double IP assignments?
>
> Wouldn't each DHCP server (relay DHCP endpoint server) need to have
> non-overlapping IPv4 pools?
>
> ASFAIK there is no actual HA replication of DHCP tables on a server, so if
> one server is always responding to the layer2 domain request and it becomes
> unavailable the secondary or tertiary server would answer with a stale
> table and possibly assign a duplicate?
>
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> *From:* AF  on behalf of Dennis Burgess - LTI
> Support via AF 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 12, 2025 1:52 PM
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> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess - LTI Support 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Fail over
>
>
> You can also run a mikrotik DHCP Server with relay going to each server,
> the MT server can run virtually and have high availability on itself, but
> the three DHCP (relays), will all be pulling from the same pool.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2025 6:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Fail over
>
>
>
> Kea is what you want, I think...
>
>
>
> https://www.isc.org/kea/
>
>
>
> For HA:
> https://kea.readthedocs.io/en/latest/arm/hooks.html#supported-configurations
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 6:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> We have two DHCP servers per market and they run VRRP.  VRRP gives you an
> active/standby setup.  Configurations have to be synchronized of course,
> but I'd say this is the simplest way.
>
>
>
> To have any kind of active/active setup the DHCP servers would have to
> share the same lease database.  I believe ISC had a way to do that where
> they would send messages to update each other, but I haven't looked into
> this in awhile so I may be hallucinating that.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jesse DuPont <
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2025 5:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Fail over
>
>
>
> What will you be using for your DHCP "concentrator" (for lack of a better
> term); that is, what will be the gateway device(s)? It seems you'd be
> better served by having a pair of routers running VRRP or some other
> cluster prototol, then having redundant DHCP servers that the
> concentrators/gateways relay to simultaneously (both of which check with
> RADIUS for auth and assignment for statics). The two DHCP servers can be
> configured active/active or active/backup and they'll both serve the same
> blocks (based on what RADIUS tells them to provide). ISC DHCP did this
> "okay", but KEA DHCP (ISC's replacement) does it really well. The two
> gateways using VRRP would appear like a single device and have a single IP.
> Depending on the routers, sometimes "state" (like current ARP resolutions)
> are sync'd between both routers, sometimes the failover router has to just
> re-ARP for everything; not the end of the world.
>
> You can simplify all this by using an actual BNG for your DHCP side (and
> your PPPoE, for that matter). Something like NetElastic's or IP Infusion's
> BNG can do all this.
>
> On 2/11/25 3:12 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
>
> We currently run 3 PPPoE servers using an OSPF concentrator and radius to 
> manage the IP addresses.  With this setup, it doesn't matter which IP lands 
> on which PPPoE server.  OSFP handles it.
>
>
>
> We now need to do something similar with DHCP.  I've been messing around with 
> /32's and Option 121, but just can not get a stable solution.  I'm now 
> thinking about plan B.  Similar general setup we use on the PPPoE side.  Lets 
> say we go with 3 DHCP servers connected to an OSPF concentrator.  I would 
> have to set my DHCP network on all 3 servers to something like 192.168.0.0/23 
> for about 512 address total.  Server one will do a GW of 192.168.0.1, Server 
> two will do a GW of 192.168.0.2, server 3 will do a GW of 192.168.0.3.  When 
> a client connects they will randomly connect to one of the 3 servers and 
> receive an IP address from radius.  My current thoughts are
>
>
>
> 1. Each server will have a /32 address not the /23.  IP address on server 1 
> will be 192.168.0.1/32.
>
> 2. OSFP will only announce the /32 address of the server to the concentrator.
>
> 3. I will have to use the DHCP script option to insert and delete the clients 
> ip address as a /32 in OSPF on the server to update the concentrator.
>
>
>
> The one issue I see off the bat is when a client reboots.  If the client 
> reboots and moves from server 1 to server 3, I now have two servers with the 
> same IP address.  I think I can deal with that by using a short lease time.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  I'm still digging around looking for o

Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Josh Luthman]

ODOT wants them on interstates, they use them for their internal stuff.  I
don't see anyone else doing things on the interstates without K rail here.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 1:08 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> NY DOT requires them on state highways.  It has a big shock absorber on
> the rear end, and you park it at the rear of your work area.  If someone
> doesn't change lanes like they're supposed to they hit the crash truck.
>
> -Adam
>
>
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> *From:* AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@go-mtc.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:03 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
> I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  Waiting
> around for an accident to clean up?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
> Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and
> other such ancillary items.
> -Adam
>
>
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> *From:* AF  on behalf of Trey Scarborough <
> t...@3dsc.co>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
>
> This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location,
> and what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole
> construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes
> all consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap
> environment areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have
> traffic control and a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer
> and a dump truck driver to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat
> donuts...
>
>
>
>
> On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years,
> but I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.
>
> I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for
> lashing.  The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is
> separate.  That's $1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in
> 10 years or is this guy getting screwed?
>
> -Adam
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OFDC alternatives

[Josh Luthman]

That sounds like you could just use a squid.  Built in splitter.  This is
the 1x8: 760242040 | FST-S-HH08-N00-08

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:25 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I love the Commscope OFDC.  What kills me is I can only get it with 8 SC
> connectors or 12 SC connectors.   I want something like the OFDC, but with
> 16 SC connectors so I can stick a 1x16 in there and plug in 16 drop
> cables.   I know you can get the OFDC with up to 24 LC connectors, but
> there are still only 12 entry points for drop cables, and our field guys
> aren't going to want to switch to LC.
>
> I have a sample of the PLP ATC, and that does have 16 connectors, but it's
> aerial only.  It would be nice if it could go in a handhole like the OFDC
> can.
>
> Does this white whale exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Ken Hohhof]

I had to look it up.  Also called truck mounted attenuators (TMAs).  Like crash 
barrels but driveable.  Also called scorpion trucks, I guess because they look 
like scorpions.

 

I wonder if you rent one, does the rental cost include insurance for if someone 
crashes into it?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 12:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

 

it's so the looky-lou's don't kill your crew.  They deploy them here, even on 
two-lane highways.

On 2/13/25 10:07, Adam Moffett wrote:

NY DOT requires them on state highways.  It has a big shock absorber on the 
rear end, and you park it at the rear of your work area.  If someone doesn't 
change lanes like they're supposed to they hit the crash truck.

 

-Adam

 

 

  _  

From: AF    on behalf 
of Chuck McCown   
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com     

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand 

 

I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  Waiting around 
for an accident to clean up?

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

 

Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and other 
such ancillary items.  

-Adam

 

 


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From: AF    on behalf 
of Trey Scarborough   
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com     

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand 

 

This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location, and 
what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole 
construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes all 
consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap environment 
areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have traffic control and 
a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer and a dump truck driver 
to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat donuts...

 

 

On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:

I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years, but 
I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.

 

I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for lashing.  
The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is separate.  That's 
$1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in 10 years or is this guy 
getting screwed?

 

-Adam

 






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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Adam Moffett]

Usually we hire a traffic control firm that has all the special crap and knows 
the rules on how to deploy it.  I familiarized myself enough with the MUTCD to 
know that there are situations I'd handle myself and situations I'd rather let 
someone else handle.  I'm confident that with the book at hand I could plan a 
perfectly regulatory compliant traffic control plan, but there's not enough 
time in the day for that.

I would hope if someone missed all the orange signs telling them to change 
lanes and then plows through a line of cones into the crash truck that THEIR 
insurance covers their own negligence.  But you never know these days.  Maybe a 
lawyer will come along and say your "road work ahead" sign was 3 inches away 
from the correct position and then make it your fault.

-Adam



From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 2:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand


I had to look it up.  Also called truck mounted attenuators (TMAs).  Like crash 
barrels but driveable.  Also called scorpion trucks, I guess because they look 
like scorpions.



I wonder if you rent one, does the rental cost include insurance for if someone 
crashes into it?



From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 12:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand



it's so the looky-lou's don't kill your crew.  They deploy them here, even on 
two-lane highways.

On 2/13/25 10:07, Adam Moffett wrote:

NY DOT requires them on state highways.  It has a big shock absorber on the 
rear end, and you park it at the rear of your work area.  If someone doesn't 
change lanes like they're supposed to they hit the crash truck.



-Adam







From: AF  on behalf of 
Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand



I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  Waiting around 
for an accident to clean up?



From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand



Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and other 
such ancillary items.

-Adam







From: AF  on behalf of 
Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand



This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location, and 
what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole 
construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes all 
consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap environment 
areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have traffic control and 
a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer and a dump truck driver 
to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat donuts...





On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:

I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years, but 
I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.



I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for lashing.  
The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is separate.  That's 
$1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in 10 years or is this guy 
getting screwed?



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Re: [AFMUG] OFDC alternatives

[Adam Moffett]

I have a visceral reaction to Optitap and other hardened connectors.

Out of curiosity what do those cost?  What do you pay for the pre-term drops 
approximately?  I can hate them and still use them if it makes sense to do so.

-Adam



From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFDC alternatives

That sounds like you could just use a squid.  Built in splitter.  This is the 
1x8: 760242040 | FST-S-HH08-N00-08

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:25 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I love the Commscope OFDC.  What kills me is I can only get it with 8 SC 
connectors or 12 SC connectors.   I want something like the OFDC, but with 16 
SC connectors so I can stick a 1x16 in there and plug in 16 drop cables.   I 
know you can get the OFDC with up to 24 LC connectors, but there are still only 
12 entry points for drop cables, and our field guys aren't going to want to 
switch to LC.

I have a sample of the PLP ATC, and that does have 16 connectors, but it's 
aerial only.  It would be nice if it could go in a handhole like the OFDC can.

Does this white whale exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] hired manager

[Chuck McCown]

No, but he has plenty of flair.

I always kept beyond busy as a manager.  I create large lists for those working 
for me.  I prioritize them, make sure all tasks are progressing and helping 
troubleshoot those tasks that are falling behind.  I interface with the outside 
world and handle all the exceptions.  If things are running smoothly there is 
nothing to do but things are never running that smooth.  If so I invent more 
products that the company can make money from or look for ways to reduce 
expenses.  Never any slack time.  But that is the way I like it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hired manager

Have you done your TPS reports?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 3:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] hired manager

 

so I've been putting my poker in a lot of fires lately.

 

in a couple instances in an upperish managerial role for small companies

 

I'm finding more idle time than expected in regard to the management aspect of 
the roles. the other unrelated tasks fill the gaps, but when that's done

 

does management actually do stuff through the whole day?

 

I haven't had a single role position in decades.

 

is this why fractional employment is so popular now?

 

it seems everything is always waiting on something, a call, a meeting, a task 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Chuck McCown]

I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  Waiting around 
for an accident to clean up?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and other 
such ancillary items.  
-Adam





From: AF  on behalf of Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand 

This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location, and 
what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole 
construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes all 
consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap environment 
areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have traffic control and 
a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer and a dump truck driver 
to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat donuts...





On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:

  I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years, 
but I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.

  I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for lashing.  
The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is separate.  That's 
$1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in 10 years or is this guy 
getting screwed?

  -Adam


   



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Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Fail over

[Trey Scarborough]

I have had pretty good luck with the /32 method what routing platform 
are you using? Assuming it is mikrotik it is pretty easy to do using 
dhcp up and down scripts or proxy arp. Forget about the option 121 it is 
not needed. What type of scale are you talking about 200 customers per 
router or 2k customers per router?


On 2/11/25 16:12, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:

We currently run 3 PPPoE servers using an OSPF concentrator and radius to 
manage the IP addresses.  With this setup, it doesn't matter which IP lands on 
which PPPoE server.  OSFP handles it.

We now need to do something similar with DHCP.  I've been messing around with 
/32's and Option 121, but just can not get a stable solution.  I'm now thinking 
about plan B.  Similar general setup we use on the PPPoE side.  Lets say we go 
with 3 DHCP servers connected to an OSPF concentrator.  I would have to set my 
DHCP network on all 3 servers to something like 192.168.0.0/23 for about 512 
address total.  Server one will do a GW of 192.168.0.1, Server two will do a GW 
of 192.168.0.2, server 3 will do a GW of 192.168.0.3.  When a client connects 
they will randomly connect to one of the 3 servers and receive an IP address 
from radius.  My current thoughts are

1. Each server will have a /32 address not the /23.  IP address on server 1 
will be 192.168.0.1/32.
2. OSFP will only announce the /32 address of the server to the concentrator.
3. I will have to use the DHCP script option to insert and delete the clients 
ip address as a /32 in OSPF on the server to update the concentrator.

The one issue I see off the bat is when a client reboots.  If the client 
reboots and moves from server 1 to server 3, I now have two servers with the 
same IP address.  I think I can deal with that by using a short lease time.


Thoughts?  I'm still digging around looking for other (better) options of 
having DHCP fail-over.  The one option that will not work is reserving a block 
of IPs per server.  We have several customers that are using static IPs, so 
they need to be accessible from all 3 servers.


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Re: [AFMUG] hired manager

[Adam Moffett]

You're right, it depends.  My management experience was more at the tactical 
level.
My director complains that he has 2 hours per day of actual work time and 6 
hours per day of meetings.  So yeah, he's very strapped for time, and often has 
to work early or late to get things accomplished.



From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 6:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hired manager


Maybe management has changed since I was doing it, also depends on whether you 
are first level, middle manager, C-suite, line management or staff, etc.  But I 
had a pretty full day.



Hiring, firing, quarterly performance reviews, salary increases, promotions, 
assigning projects

Project management

Budgets (capital, salaries, expenses)

Attending project reviews, design reviews, staff meetings

Writing monthly project and budget status reports for upper management

Approving things like purchase orders, vacation requests, etc.

Try to offload meetings and paperwork from your people so they can do actual 
work



Much of the time was problem solving related to project or personnel issues.  
Prototype fails testing, need an unexpected PCB layout cycle, how to keep 
project from slipping and affecting overall program.  Or a key person quits or 
gets injured or an employee can’t handle an assignment, do you assign a more 
senior person to help, hire a contractor, shuffle assignments, or just accept a 
slip in the schedule, etc.  Then there’s managing your manager.  Example from 
real life – senior management says cut 10% of employees but decides not to do 
it my seniority or skill level but by canceling projects and then telling us to 
fire whoever was on those projects.  Except that has us keeping an employee we 
planned to fire for poor performance and firing the senior person we had 
assigned to help the incompetent one, dooming both projects, so we need to 
convince the big boss to let us decide who to fire and who to keep.  My 
impression is big tech companies no longer worry about this, they have some AI 
program pick 1,000 random employees and email or text them they’re fired.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson via AF
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 4:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Sterling Jacobson 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hired manager



Ummm, I'm going to need you to come in on Sunday...



Steve, you are right about your observations from my limited experience.

That is why fractional is becoming more of an option, and it should be.



It's also why management needs more bodies to fill their time managing them lol





From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 3:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] hired manager



Have you done your TPS reports?



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 3:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] hired manager



so I've been putting my poker in a lot of fires lately.



in a couple instances in an upperish managerial role for small companies



I'm finding more idle time than expected in regard to the management aspect of 
the roles. the other unrelated tasks fill the gaps, but when that's done



does management actually do stuff through the whole day?



I haven't had a single role position in decades.



is this why fractional employment is so popular now?



it seems everything is always waiting on something, a call, a meeting, a task 
completion by somebody else.
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Re: [AFMUG] hired manager

[Adam Moffett]

If you're finding free time, then you're probably doing something right.

My feeling is if you get a few smart people into the right places and give them 
latitude to solve their own problems then there's less for the manager to do.  
If I can give someone the bones of a plan and they can put the meat on it that 
always makes me very happy.

-Adam



From: AF  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 4:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] hired manager

so I've been putting my poker in a lot of fires lately.

in a couple instances in an upperish managerial role for small companies

I'm finding more idle time than expected in regard to the management aspect of 
the roles. the other unrelated tasks fill the gaps, but when that's done

does management actually do stuff through the whole day?

I haven't had a single role position in decades.

is this why fractional employment is so popular now?

it seems everything is always waiting on something, a call, a meeting, a task 
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[AFMUG] OFDC alternatives

[Adam Moffett]

I love the Commscope OFDC.  What kills me is I can only get it with 8 SC 
connectors or 12 SC connectors.   I want something like the OFDC, but with 16 
SC connectors so I can stick a 1x16 in there and plug in 16 drop cables.   I 
know you can get the OFDC with up to 24 LC connectors, but there are still only 
12 entry points for drop cables, and our field guys aren't going to want to 
switch to LC.

I have a sample of the PLP ATC, and that does have 16 connectors, but it's 
aerial only.  It would be nice if it could go in a handhole like the OFDC can.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Adam Moffett]

Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and other 
such ancillary items.
-Adam



From: AF  on behalf of Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand


This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location, and 
what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole 
construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes all 
consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap environment 
areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have traffic control and 
a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer and a dump truck driver 
to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat donuts...



On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:
I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years, but 
I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.

I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for lashing.  
The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is separate.  That's 
$1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in 10 years or is this guy 
getting screwed?

-Adam



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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Adam Moffett]

NY DOT requires them on state highways.  It has a big shock absorber on the 
rear end, and you park it at the rear of your work area.  If someone doesn't 
change lanes like they're supposed to they hit the crash truck.

-Adam



From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  Waiting around 
for an accident to clean up?

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and other 
such ancillary items.
-Adam



From: AF  on behalf of Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand


This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location, and 
what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole 
construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes all 
consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap environment 
areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have traffic control and 
a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer and a dump truck driver 
to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat donuts...





On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:
I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years, but 
I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.

I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for lashing.  
The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is separate.  That's 
$1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in 10 years or is this guy 
getting screwed?

-Adam





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Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Fail over

[Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF]

Trey,

Currently we are using Mikrotik for the PPPoE stuff.  Currently running 4000 
customers over 3 PPPoE servers adding more and more everyday.

Seriously going to look at the netElastic stuff.  We may be out growing the 
mikrotik on this.


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TS> I have had pretty good luck with the /32 method what routing platform are 
you using? Assuming it is mikrotik it is pretty easy to do using dhcp up and 
down scripts or proxy arp. Forget about the option 121 it is not needed. What 
type of scale are you talking about 200 customers per router or 2k customers 
per router?

TS> On 2/11/25 16:12, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF wrote:
>> We currently run 3 PPPoE servers using an OSPF concentrator and radius to 
>> manage the IP addresses.  With this setup, it doesn't matter which IP lands 
>> on which PPPoE server.  OSFP handles it.
>>
>> We now need to do something similar with DHCP.  I've been messing around 
>> with /32's and Option 121, but just can not get a stable solution.  I'm now 
>> thinking about plan B.  Similar general setup we use on the PPPoE side.  
>> Lets say we go with 3 DHCP servers connected to an OSPF concentrator.  I 
>> would have to set my DHCP network on all 3 servers to something like 
>> 192.168.0.0/23 for about 512 address total.  Server one will do a GW of 
>> 192.168.0.1, Server two will do a GW of 192.168.0.2, server 3 will do a GW 
>> of 192.168.0.3.  When a client connects they will randomly connect to one of 
>> the 3 servers and receive an IP address from radius.  My current thoughts are
>>
>> 1. Each server will have a /32 address not the /23.  IP address on server 1 
>> will be 192.168.0.1/32.
>> 2. OSFP will only announce the /32 address of the server to the concentrator.
>> 3. I will have to use the DHCP script option to insert and delete the 
>> clients ip address as a /32 in OSPF on the server to update the concentrator.
>>
>> The one issue I see off the bat is when a client reboots.  If the client 
>> reboots and moves from server 1 to server 3, I now have two servers with the 
>> same IP address.  I think I can deal with that by using a short lease time.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?  I'm still digging around looking for other (better) options of 
>> having DHCP fail-over.  The one option that will not work is reserving a 
>> block of IPs per server.  We have several customers that are using static 
>> IPs, so they need to be accessible from all 3 servers.
>>
>>
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>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> Serving Manatee and Sarasota Counties with High-Speed Internet for over 20 
>> years
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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Trey Scarborough]

This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location, 
and what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the 
whole construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it 
includes all consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban 
or crap environment areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have 
to have traffic control and a crash truck so your paying a off duty 
police officer and a dump truck driver to sit there in the vehicle all 
day and eat donuts...




On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:
I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 
years, but I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.


I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for 
lashing.  The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is 
separate.  That's $1.30/ft for just lashing. Has it really gone up 5x 
in 10 years or is this guy getting screwed?


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Re: [AFMUG] OFDC alternatives

[Josh Luthman]

I splice everything myself.  There's no way I get 16 customers out of a
single handhole.  My average is 2.3.  We only have 450b in HH right now.
(F1+F2+an apple core or two for drops).  I think the biggest design we have
is 8 and the biggest use was 5 drops.

I have no idea what they cost - they were in a storage locker last week
with a billion other Commscope items.

My only idea is a 450b with four apple cores - that's 16 drop cables.
It'll fit inside the case easily.  IDK how the hell you're getting 16 drops
into one HH anywhere TBH.

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 2:20 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I have a visceral reaction to Optitap and other hardened connectors.
>
> Out of curiosity what do those cost?  What do you pay for the pre-term
> drops approximately?  I can hate them and still use them if it makes sense
> to do so.
>
> -Adam
>
>
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> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFDC alternatives
>
> That sounds like you could just use a squid.  Built in splitter.  This is
> the 1x8: 760242040 | FST-S-HH08-N00-08
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:25 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I love the Commscope OFDC.  What kills me is I can only get it with 8 SC
> connectors or 12 SC connectors.   I want something like the OFDC, but with
> 16 SC connectors so I can stick a 1x16 in there and plug in 16 drop
> cables.   I know you can get the OFDC with up to 24 LC connectors, but
> there are still only 12 entry points for drop cables, and our field guys
> aren't going to want to switch to LC.
>
> I have a sample of the PLP ATC, and that does have 16 connectors, but it's
> aerial only.  It would be nice if it could go in a handhole like the OFDC
> can.
>
> Does this white whale exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Josh Luthman]

Different states.  Michigan is a "no fault state" so even if someone rams
you while you're stopped at a red light, your insurance fixes/totals your
car while their insurance does their car.

Ohio is a fault state so for some reason people are more concerned about
not hitting each others' cars and the premiums are overall much lower...

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 2:27 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Usually we hire a traffic control firm that has all the special crap and
> knows the rules on how to deploy it.  I familiarized myself enough with the
> MUTCD to know that there are situations I'd handle myself and situations
> I'd rather let someone else handle.  I'm confident that with the book at
> hand I could plan a perfectly regulatory compliant traffic control plan,
> but there's not enough time in the day for that.
>
> I would hope if someone missed all the orange signs telling them to change
> lanes and then plows through a line of cones into the crash truck that
> THEIR insurance covers their own negligence.  But you never know these
> days.  Maybe a lawyer will come along and say your "road work ahead" sign
> was 3 inches away from the correct position and then make it your fault.
>
> -Adam
>
>
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> khoh...@kwom.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 2:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
>
> I had to look it up.  Also called truck mounted attenuators (TMAs).  Like
> crash barrels but driveable.  Also called scorpion trucks, I guess because
> they look like scorpions.
>
>
>
> I wonder if you rent one, does the rental cost include insurance for if
> someone crashes into it?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 12:56 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
>
>
> it's so the looky-lou's don't kill your crew.  They deploy them here, even
> on two-lane highways.
>
> On 2/13/25 10:07, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> NY DOT requires them on state highways.  It has a big shock absorber on
> the rear end, and you park it at the rear of your work area.  If someone
> doesn't change lanes like they're supposed to they hit the crash truck.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* AF * * on
> behalf of Chuck McCown * *
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:03 PM
> *To:* *af@af.afmug.com * *
> *
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
>
>
> I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  Waiting
> around for an accident to clean up?
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM
>
> *To:* *af@af.afmug.com *
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
>
>
> Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and
> other such ancillary items.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* AF * * on
> behalf of Trey Scarborough * *
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
> *To:* *af@af.afmug.com * *
> *
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
>
>
>
> This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location,
> and what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole
> construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes
> all consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap
> environment areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have
> traffic control and a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer
> and a dump truck driver to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat
> donuts...
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years,
> but I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.
>
>
>
> I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for
> lashing.  The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is
> separate.  That's $1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in
> 10 years or is this guy getting screwed?
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Ken Hohhof]

I was thinking of the cost to repair the TMA.  Looks like after a crash the T 
part should be OK but the A part is probably a total loss.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

 

Different states.  Michigan is a "no fault state" so even if someone rams you 
while you're stopped at a red light, your insurance fixes/totals your car while 
their insurance does their car.

 

Ohio is a fault state so for some reason people are more concerned about not 
hitting each others' cars and the premiums are overall much lower...

 

On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 2:27 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Usually we hire a traffic control firm that has all the special crap and knows 
the rules on how to deploy it.  I familiarized myself enough with the MUTCD to 
know that there are situations I'd handle myself and situations I'd rather let 
someone else handle.  I'm confident that with the book at hand I could plan a 
perfectly regulatory compliant traffic control plan, but there's not enough 
time in the day for that.

 

I would hope if someone missed all the orange signs telling them to change 
lanes and then plows through a line of cones into the crash truck that THEIR 
insurance covers their own negligence.  But you never know these days.  Maybe a 
lawyer will come along and say your "road work ahead" sign was 3 inches away 
from the correct position and then make it your fault.

 

-Adam

 

 

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of Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> >
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 2:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand 

 

I had to look it up.  Also called truck mounted attenuators (TMAs).  Like crash 
barrels but driveable.  Also called scorpion trucks, I guess because they look 
like scorpions.

 

I wonder if you rent one, does the rental cost include insurance for if someone 
crashes into it?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 12:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

 

it's so the looky-lou's don't kill your crew.  They deploy them here, even on 
two-lane highways.

On 2/13/25 10:07, Adam Moffett wrote:

NY DOT requires them on state highways.  It has a big shock absorber on the 
rear end, and you park it at the rear of your work area.  If someone doesn't 
change lanes like they're supposed to they hit the crash truck.

 

-Adam

 

 

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From: AF    on behalf 
of Chuck McCown   
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com     

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

 

I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  Waiting around 
for an accident to clean up?

 

From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

 

Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and other 
such ancillary items. 

-Adam

 

 

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From: AF    on behalf 
of Trey Scarborough   
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com     

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

 

This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on location, and 
what that includes. If its for a contractor that is bidding the whole 
construction its high for a contract crew to do just that and it includes all 
consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad for many urban or crap environment 
areas.  You have to remember in some areas you have to have traffic control and 
a crash truck so your paying a off duty police officer and a dump truck driver 
to sit there in the vehicle all day and eat donuts...

 

 

On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:

I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 years, but 
I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.

 

I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for lashing.  
The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is separate.  That's 
$1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x in 10 years or is this guy 
getting screwed?

 

-Adam

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

[Jan-GAMs]

it's so the looky-lou's don't kill your crew.  They deploy them here, 
even on two-lane highways.


On 2/13/25 10:07, Adam Moffett wrote:
NY DOT requires them on state highways.  It has a big shock absorber 
on the rear end, and you park it at the rear of your work area.  If 
someone doesn't change lanes like they're supposed to they hit the 
crash truck.


-Adam



*From:* AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 


*Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 1:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
I don’t recall ever hearing of a crash truck.  New one one me.  
Waiting around for an accident to clean up?

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand
Fair point.  The spreadsheet I saw did not itemize traffic control and 
other such ancillary items.

-Adam

*From:* AF  on behalf of Trey Scarborough 


*Sent:* Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:42 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost of lashing onto strand

This wouldn't be bad for a budgetary number it all depends on 
location, and what that includes. If its for a contractor that is 
bidding the whole construction its high for a contract crew to do just 
that and it includes all consumables Lashing, horseshoes, etc not bad 
for many urban or crap environment areas.  You have to remember in 
some areas you have to have traffic control and a crash truck so your 
paying a off duty police officer and a dump truck driver to sit there 
in the vehicle all day and eat donuts...


On 2/11/25 17:50, Adam Moffett wrote:
I haven't had a quote from a contractor in front of me for about 10 
years, but I remember the lashing was $0.25/foot.
I just saw someone's cost analysis spreadsheet showing $1.30/ft for 
lashing.  The actual cable is separate.  The strand installation is 
separate. That's $1.30/ft for just lashing.  Has it really gone up 5x 
in 10 years or is this guy getting screwed?

-Adam



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