Re: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

[chuck]

It was HDPE with a foaming agent and UV stabilizer.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 4:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

This one has lasted 14 years.  Whatever you made them out of, stood up well to 
sunlight.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 4:51 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

 

They did work though...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 3:25 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

 

Customer had a lawn chair go flying in a wind storm and bonk an old Motorola 
Canopy dish, breaking the radio holder, she sent this photo.  Install done in 
2010.  Note the green mounting plate, one of Chuck’s old products.

 

We only ever used maybe 4 of those mounting plates, nobody liked them, 
installers wouldn’t use them.  I probably installed this one myself.  I think I 
bought 10 of them and still have 5 or 6 on a shelf.  I didn’t realize we still 
had one in the field.




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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Chris Fabien]

https://www.wseelaser.com/ftth/or20-ftth-agc-optical-node-with-wdm.html

On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, 5:26 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> What would you call this $10 device?
> On 11/6/2024 11:17 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> Nate, If they want to keep the clearQAM video feed in place, that is
> pretty straightforward to do via RF overlay on top of a GPON or
> XGSPON Network. A couple pieces of equipment at the headend and a $10
> optical receiver at each house. No STB required.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
>> fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
>> that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
>> Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
>> deployment for Gpon Fiber.
>>
>> Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
>> trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
>> trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
>>
>> When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
>> break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be ~20
>> microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
>> street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
>> per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
>> Is that too many for a microtrench?
>>
>> There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's that
>> is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
>> many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
>> the surface.
>>
>> The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
>> street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
>> not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots could
>> be installed in a few weeks.
>>
>> Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
>> feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of clearQAM TV
>> Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with fiber
>> without some sort of STB agreement.
>>
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[AFMUG] PRM4/PRM24

[Ken Hohhof]

Chuck, I saw your post on the WISPA FB page about clones of these
discontinued APC products being in production now.

 

I seem to remember you sold off your metal fab business (MTOWs and stuff)
and were doing microtrenching blades now.  Are you making these products, or
is it whoever took over the metal fab business?  And what about the
protection modules, do you still make and sell these?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Josh Luthman]

Nate,

If you want to message me I can draw you up the concept on how PON is
designed.  Not sure you want to be doing 1x4 splits in a small area (that's
probably too much light) and it seems like a waste of splice labor.

We drill everything - I can't imagine micro trenching and fixing the road
makes any financial sense and then the people that live there are going to
be absolutely pissed off to the point where they refuse to get your service.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 6:00 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> So with Gpon you could come between 2 trailers, use a 4 way splitter,
> feed 2 things, then use 1 to go to the next splitter?  I guess that
> makes way more sense than a bunch of duct.
>
> On 11/5/2024 4:55 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
> > We throw down 2 microducts minimum.  Use one of them to daisy chain
> > into the boundary between two homes.  The other for spare or
> > mainline/express circuits.
> >
> > We trench between 15 and 30 feet per minute depending on the width and
> > depth of cut and depending on the type of blade and attachment.
> > Current speed records have all be set with my saw attachment on a
> > Vermeer RTX550 using my blades.
> >
> > After the duct is in the trench, you fill the trench with grout/flow
> > fill/low strength concrete.
> > Most places require a cap of mastic on top of the concrete but the
> > concrete is good enough by itself for many applications.
> >
> > You can use sprinkler boxes if there is no traffic on them.
> >
> > Many of my customers get between 2000'-and 4000' each day.  But that
> > is with a fairly large crew.
> >
> > You go out ahead of time blocking off the road, doing core drill and
> > vacuum for each place you want to branch off a lateral connection.
> >
> > Much easier, faster and cheaper than drilling.  Plowing is always the
> > best if you can do it.
> >
> > Lateral under sidewalks with a missile.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Chuck McCown
> >
> > McCown Technology Corporation
> > 8401 N Commerce Dr
> > Lake Point, Utah 84074
> > 801-250-9503 Office
> > 435-830-4306 Cell
> > www.mccowntech.com
> > www.microtrench.pro
> > www.terabitnetworks.com
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 3:42 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
> >
> > The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
> > fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
> > that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
> > Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
> > deployment for Gpon Fiber.
> >
> > Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
> > trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
> > trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
> >
> > When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
> > break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be ~20
> > microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
> > street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
> > per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
> > Is that too many for a microtrench?
> >
> > There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's that
> > is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
> > many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
> > the surface.
> >
> > The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
> > street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
> > not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots could
> > be installed in a few weeks.
> >
> > Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
> > feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of clearQAM TV
> > Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with fiber
> > without some sort of STB agreement.
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[chuck]

I built Google Fiber in Salt Lake City.  You would be hard pressed to know 
where we did the construction if I didn’t point it out to you.  
NO MESS. No damage to the street.  It does not suffer in any way.  No start and 
end holes and mud in the gutter like HDD.  

It is not road patch.  It is concrete all the way to the top with mastic on to 
to cushion the top of the concrete.  

I just has another jurisdiction that is considering allowing microtrencing do a 
drive of some of the construction I did years ago to see how it is holding up.  
They noted that it was indistinguishable from the rest of the street.  When a 
jurisdiction wants to resurface or do a mill and fill there is no difference.  



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 9:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

I think you need to drive some roads if you think any road patch is smooth and 
"no future repair issues". 

Not saying it isn't faster by any means.  I would hope it is with as much mess 
as you're making.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 11:35 AM  wrote:

  You don’t have any additional issues fixing the road with microtrenching.  
  It is much faster and cheaper and less messy than drilling.  Some of my 
customers have microtrenched over 6000’ in a single shift.  Try that will HDD.  

  The conduit is placed at the bottom of the roadbase.  Absolutely no future 
repair issues.  The trench is filled with concrete and topped with mastic.  



  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 6:29 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

  Nate, 

  If you want to message me I can draw you up the concept on how PON is 
designed.  Not sure you want to be doing 1x4 splits in a small area (that's 
probably too much light) and it seems like a waste of splice labor.

  We drill everything - I can't imagine micro trenching and fixing the road 
makes any financial sense and then the people that live there are going to be 
absolutely pissed off to the point where they refuse to get your service.

  On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 6:00 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

So with Gpon you could come between 2 trailers, use a 4 way splitter, 
feed 2 things, then use 1 to go to the next splitter?  I guess that 
makes way more sense than a bunch of duct.

On 11/5/2024 4:55 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
> We throw down 2 microducts minimum.  Use one of them to daisy chain 
> into the boundary between two homes.  The other for spare or 
> mainline/express circuits.
>
> We trench between 15 and 30 feet per minute depending on the width and 
> depth of cut and depending on the type of blade and attachment.  
> Current speed records have all be set with my saw attachment on a 
> Vermeer RTX550 using my blades.
>
> After the duct is in the trench, you fill the trench with grout/flow 
> fill/low strength concrete.
> Most places require a cap of mastic on top of the concrete but the 
> concrete is good enough by itself for many applications.
>
> You can use sprinkler boxes if there is no traffic on them.
>
> Many of my customers get between 2000'-and 4000' each day.  But that 
> is with a fairly large crew.
>
> You go out ahead of time blocking off the road, doing core drill and 
> vacuum for each place you want to branch off a lateral connection.
>
> Much easier, faster and cheaper than drilling.  Plowing is always the 
> best if you can do it.
>
> Lateral under sidewalks with a missile.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 3:42 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
>
> The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
> fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
> that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
> Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
> deployment for Gpon Fiber.
>
> Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
> trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
> trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
>
> When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
> break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be ~20
> microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
> street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
> per side, 10 microduct drops per side 

Re: [AFMUG] PRM4/PRM24

[chuck]

Actually my metal fab is larger than ever:  www.microtrench.pro

Just could not afford to do the tower mounts with the much better products I do 
now.
Needed the floor space and resources.  

And yes, we still do all the PCBs and surge products.  

The racks and subbed out to a sheet metal shop.  

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 6:23 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] PRM4/PRM24

Chuck, I saw your post on the WISPA FB page about clones of these discontinued 
APC products being in production now.

 

I seem to remember you sold off your metal fab business (MTOWs and stuff) and 
were doing microtrenching blades now.  Are you making these products, or is it 
whoever took over the metal fab business?  And what about the protection 
modules, do you still make and sell these?




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Re: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

[chuck]

I don’t but later today we plan to visit all the elites in the area to relieve 
them of their food storage and weapons (if any).  I will keep my eye peeled for 
this item.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:19 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

https://www.thetakeout.com/taste-test-cheeseburger-in-a-can-1798213615/

 

Chuck, do you have these in your prepper pantry?




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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[chuck]

You don’t have any additional issues fixing the road with microtrenching.  
It is much faster and cheaper and less messy than drilling.  Some of my 
customers have microtrenched over 6000’ in a single shift.  Try that will HDD.  

The conduit is placed at the bottom of the roadbase.  Absolutely no future 
repair issues.  The trench is filled with concrete and topped with mastic.  



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 6:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

Nate, 

If you want to message me I can draw you up the concept on how PON is designed. 
 Not sure you want to be doing 1x4 splits in a small area (that's probably too 
much light) and it seems like a waste of splice labor.

We drill everything - I can't imagine micro trenching and fixing the road makes 
any financial sense and then the people that live there are going to be 
absolutely pissed off to the point where they refuse to get your service.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 6:00 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  So with Gpon you could come between 2 trailers, use a 4 way splitter, 
  feed 2 things, then use 1 to go to the next splitter?  I guess that 
  makes way more sense than a bunch of duct.

  On 11/5/2024 4:55 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
  > We throw down 2 microducts minimum.  Use one of them to daisy chain 
  > into the boundary between two homes.  The other for spare or 
  > mainline/express circuits.
  >
  > We trench between 15 and 30 feet per minute depending on the width and 
  > depth of cut and depending on the type of blade and attachment.  
  > Current speed records have all be set with my saw attachment on a 
  > Vermeer RTX550 using my blades.
  >
  > After the duct is in the trench, you fill the trench with grout/flow 
  > fill/low strength concrete.
  > Most places require a cap of mastic on top of the concrete but the 
  > concrete is good enough by itself for many applications.
  >
  > You can use sprinkler boxes if there is no traffic on them.
  >
  > Many of my customers get between 2000'-and 4000' each day.  But that 
  > is with a fairly large crew.
  >
  > You go out ahead of time blocking off the road, doing core drill and 
  > vacuum for each place you want to branch off a lateral connection.
  >
  > Much easier, faster and cheaper than drilling.  Plowing is always the 
  > best if you can do it.
  >
  > Lateral under sidewalks with a missile.
  >
  >
  >
  > Best Regards,
  > Chuck McCown
  >
  > McCown Technology Corporation
  > 8401 N Commerce Dr
  > Lake Point, Utah 84074
  > 801-250-9503 Office
  > 435-830-4306 Cell
  > www.mccowntech.com
  > www.microtrench.pro
  > www.terabitnetworks.com
  > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
  > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 3:42 PM
  > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
  >
  > The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
  > fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
  > that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
  > Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
  > deployment for Gpon Fiber.
  >
  > Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
  > trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
  > trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
  >
  > When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
  > break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be ~20
  > microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
  > street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
  > per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
  > Is that too many for a microtrench?
  >
  > There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's that
  > is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
  > many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
  > the surface.
  >
  > The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
  > street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
  > not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots could
  > be installed in a few weeks.
  >
  > Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
  > feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of clearQAM TV
  > Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with fiber
  > without some sort of STB agreement.
  >
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Re: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

[chuck]

They did work though...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 3:25 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

Customer had a lawn chair go flying in a wind storm and bonk an old Motorola 
Canopy dish, breaking the radio holder, she sent this photo.  Install done in 
2010.  Note the green mounting plate, one of Chuck’s old products.

 

We only ever used maybe 4 of those mounting plates, nobody liked them, 
installers wouldn’t use them.  I probably installed this one myself.  I think I 
bought 10 of them and still have 5 or 6 on a shelf.  I didn’t realize we still 
had one in the field.




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Re: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

[Ken Hohhof]

This one has lasted 14 years.  Whatever you made them out of, stood up well to 
sunlight.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 4:51 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

 

They did work though...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 3:25 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] old MTC green fiberglass mounting plate

 

Customer had a lawn chair go flying in a wind storm and bonk an old Motorola 
Canopy dish, breaking the radio holder, she sent this photo.  Install done in 
2010.  Note the green mounting plate, one of Chuck’s old products.

 

We only ever used maybe 4 of those mounting plates, nobody liked them, 
installers wouldn’t use them.  I probably installed this one myself.  I think I 
bought 10 of them and still have 5 or 6 on a shelf.  I didn’t realize we still 
had one in the field.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Chris Fabien]

Nate, If they want to keep the clearQAM video feed in place, that is pretty
straightforward to do via RF overlay on top of a GPON or XGSPON Network. A
couple pieces of equipment at the headend and a $10 optical receiver at
each house. No STB required.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
> fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
> that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
> Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
> deployment for Gpon Fiber.
>
> Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
> trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
> trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
>
> When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
> break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be ~20
> microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
> street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
> per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
> Is that too many for a microtrench?
>
> There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's that
> is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
> many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
> the surface.
>
> The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
> street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
> not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots could
> be installed in a few weeks.
>
> Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
> feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of clearQAM TV
> Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with fiber
> without some sort of STB agreement.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Nate Burke]

What would you call this $10 device?

On 11/6/2024 11:17 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
Nate, If they want to keep the clearQAM video feed in place, that is 
pretty straightforward to do via RF overlay on top of a GPON or 
XGSPON Network. A couple pieces of equipment at the headend and a $10 
optical receiver at each house. No STB required.


On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 5:43 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
deployment for Gpon Fiber.

Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between
multiple
trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would
be 2
trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.

When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably
be ~20
microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20
trailers
per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
Is that too many for a microtrench?

There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's
that
is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes
near
the surface.

The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down
the
street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots
could
be installed in a few weeks.

Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of
clearQAM TV
Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with
fiber
without some sort of STB agreement.


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Re: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

[Ken Hohhof]

Note:  not the same as cow-in-a-can.

https://thecowsgomoo.com/products/cow-in-a-can

 

So you’re gonna visit all the 1337’s?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 10:31 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

 

I don’t but later today we plan to visit all the elites in the area to relieve 
them of their food storage and weapons (if any).  I will keep my eye peeled for 
this item.  

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:19 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

 

https://www.thetakeout.com/taste-test-cheeseburger-in-a-can-1798213615/

 

Chuck, do you have these in your prepper pantry?

  _  

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Re: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

[chuck]

Yeah, local sheriff departments have a record of all the blue lawn signs... 
(sadly this is true in some areas...)

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 2:34 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

Note:  not the same as cow-in-a-can.

https://thecowsgomoo.com/products/cow-in-a-can

 

So you’re gonna visit all the 1337’s?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 10:31 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

 

I don’t but later today we plan to visit all the elites in the area to relieve 
them of their food storage and weapons (if any).  I will keep my eye peeled for 
this item.  

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:19 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] cheeseburger in a can

 

https://www.thetakeout.com/taste-test-cheeseburger-in-a-can-1798213615/

 

Chuck, do you have these in your prepper pantry?




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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[chuck]

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 9:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

I think you need to drive some roads if you think any road patch is smooth and 
"no future repair issues". 

Not saying it isn't faster by any means.  I would hope it is with as much mess 
as you're making.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 11:35 AM  wrote:

  You don’t have any additional issues fixing the road with microtrenching.  
  It is much faster and cheaper and less messy than drilling.  Some of my 
customers have microtrenched over 6000’ in a single shift.  Try that will HDD.  

  The conduit is placed at the bottom of the roadbase.  Absolutely no future 
repair issues.  The trench is filled with concrete and topped with mastic.  



  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 6:29 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

  Nate, 

  If you want to message me I can draw you up the concept on how PON is 
designed.  Not sure you want to be doing 1x4 splits in a small area (that's 
probably too much light) and it seems like a waste of splice labor.

  We drill everything - I can't imagine micro trenching and fixing the road 
makes any financial sense and then the people that live there are going to be 
absolutely pissed off to the point where they refuse to get your service.

  On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 6:00 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

So with Gpon you could come between 2 trailers, use a 4 way splitter, 
feed 2 things, then use 1 to go to the next splitter?  I guess that 
makes way more sense than a bunch of duct.

On 11/5/2024 4:55 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
> We throw down 2 microducts minimum.  Use one of them to daisy chain 
> into the boundary between two homes.  The other for spare or 
> mainline/express circuits.
>
> We trench between 15 and 30 feet per minute depending on the width and 
> depth of cut and depending on the type of blade and attachment.  
> Current speed records have all be set with my saw attachment on a 
> Vermeer RTX550 using my blades.
>
> After the duct is in the trench, you fill the trench with grout/flow 
> fill/low strength concrete.
> Most places require a cap of mastic on top of the concrete but the 
> concrete is good enough by itself for many applications.
>
> You can use sprinkler boxes if there is no traffic on them.
>
> Many of my customers get between 2000'-and 4000' each day.  But that 
> is with a fairly large crew.
>
> You go out ahead of time blocking off the road, doing core drill and 
> vacuum for each place you want to branch off a lateral connection.
>
> Much easier, faster and cheaper than drilling.  Plowing is always the 
> best if you can do it.
>
> Lateral under sidewalks with a missile.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 3:42 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
>
> The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
> fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
> that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
> Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
> deployment for Gpon Fiber.
>
> Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
> trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
> trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
>
> When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
> break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be ~20
> microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
> street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
> per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
> Is that too many for a microtrench?
>
> There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's that
> is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
> many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
> the surface.
>
> The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
> street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
> not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots could
> be installed in a few weeks.
>
> Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
> feasible.  Downside 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching

[Josh Luthman]

I think you need to drive some roads if you think any road patch is smooth
and "no future repair issues".

Not saying it isn't faster by any means.  I would hope it is with as much
mess as you're making.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2024 at 11:35 AM  wrote:

> You don’t have any additional issues fixing the road with microtrenching.
> It is much faster and cheaper and less messy than drilling.  Some of my
> customers have microtrenched over 6000’ in a single shift.  Try that will
> HDD.
>
> The conduit is placed at the bottom of the roadbase.  Absolutely no future
> repair issues.  The trench is filled with concrete and topped with mastic.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2024 6:29 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
>
> Nate,
>
> If you want to message me I can draw you up the concept on how PON is
> designed.  Not sure you want to be doing 1x4 splits in a small area (that's
> probably too much light) and it seems like a waste of splice labor.
>
> We drill everything - I can't imagine micro trenching and fixing the road
> makes any financial sense and then the people that live there are going to
> be absolutely pissed off to the point where they refuse to get your service.
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 6:00 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> So with Gpon you could come between 2 trailers, use a 4 way splitter,
>> feed 2 things, then use 1 to go to the next splitter?  I guess that
>> makes way more sense than a bunch of duct.
>>
>> On 11/5/2024 4:55 PM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>> > We throw down 2 microducts minimum.  Use one of them to daisy chain
>> > into the boundary between two homes.  The other for spare or
>> > mainline/express circuits.
>> >
>> > We trench between 15 and 30 feet per minute depending on the width and
>> > depth of cut and depending on the type of blade and attachment.
>> > Current speed records have all be set with my saw attachment on a
>> > Vermeer RTX550 using my blades.
>> >
>> > After the duct is in the trench, you fill the trench with grout/flow
>> > fill/low strength concrete.
>> > Most places require a cap of mastic on top of the concrete but the
>> > concrete is good enough by itself for many applications.
>> >
>> > You can use sprinkler boxes if there is no traffic on them.
>> >
>> > Many of my customers get between 2000'-and 4000' each day.  But that
>> > is with a fairly large crew.
>> >
>> > You go out ahead of time blocking off the road, doing core drill and
>> > vacuum for each place you want to branch off a lateral connection.
>> >
>> > Much easier, faster and cheaper than drilling.  Plowing is always the
>> > best if you can do it.
>> >
>> > Lateral under sidewalks with a missile.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Chuck McCown
>> >
>> > McCown Technology Corporation
>> > 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> > Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> > 801-250-9503 Office
>> > 435-830-4306 Cell
>> > www.mccowntech.com
>> > www.microtrench.pro
>> > www.terabitnetworks.com
>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 3:42 PM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber and Microtrenching
>> >
>> > The Boss and I are having an arug^H^H^H^H Discussion about installing
>> > fiber in a campground (Mostly permanent Singlewide units).  He thinks
>> > that it would be too difficult to do.  I contend that with
>> > Microtrenching down the campground roads, this would be the perfect
>> > deployment for Gpon Fiber.
>> >
>> > Campsites are concrete pad Road to road, no dirt runs between multiple
>> > trailers without lots of concrete cutting.  So at most there would be 2
>> > trailers fed off each duct drop from the asphalt road.
>> >
>> > When you do microtrenching, do you just do a bunch of microduct, then
>> > break off a microduct whenever you need it?  There would probably be ~20
>> > microducts that could run out of a central Handhole at the end of the
>> > street, and feed both sides of the street for 40 trailers.  20 trailers
>> > per side, 10 microduct drops per side 1 microduct feeding 2 trailers.
>> > Is that too many for a microtrench?
>> >
>> > There is an existing coax cable plant, installed in the early 80's that
>> > is bandaided together to provide Docsis at about 10mb/5mb, with many
>> > many outages.  All utilities are private, unmarked, and sometimes near
>> > the surface.
>> >
>> > The microtrenching videos make it looks like you just advance down the
>> > street at a few feet per minute, with a fixed road behind you.  Is it
>> > not that simple?  I'm thinking the whole campground of 1500 spots could
>> > be installed in a few weeks.
>> >
>> > Anyone done campground deployments?  Tree coverage makes RF not as
>> > feasible.  Downside of fiber is that there are a handful of clearQAM TV
>> > Channel on the existing coax plant.  That's much harder to do with fiber
>> > without some sort of STB agreement.
>> >
>> >
>>
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