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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-30 Thread dmmoffett

Yeah I’d love if I could find one of those cheap OTDR’s at 1650nm.  Last time I 
looked all the cheapos were 1310 or 1550.

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You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters. 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM

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IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch the 
traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see the need, 
but it is cool. 

We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this second:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8

 &psc=1

Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from the 
OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if there 
is light - 
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/

On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson mailto:c...@infowest.com> > wrote:

We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field techs. 
This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least. If it’s 
anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs get involved.  
Price point is right and it does what they need it to do. 

https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/

-c

On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank but 
is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so evidently 
I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I assume 
they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super long 
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-30 Thread Jason McKemie

This one is intriguing. Not exactly cheap, but it is a far cry from the
pricing on a lot of the name brand OTDRs that I've looked at.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CNCDYWRN

On Wednesday, October 30, 2024,  wrote:
> Yeah I’d love if I could find one of those cheap OTDR’s at 1650nm.  Last
time I looked all the cheapos were 1310 or 1550.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 5:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
>
>
> You can shoot active pon fiber with the right wavelengths and filters.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Josh Luthman
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:58 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations
>
>
>
> IDK what you mean by PON features unless you want an inline unit to watch
the traffic.  Veex just came out with one that will do that.  I don't see
the need, but it is cool.
>
>
>
> We bought the one (or one like) Cassidy linked and then bought this
second:
>
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CW3B9ZM8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Cassidy - get a super cheap/fast PON meter that just reads the light from
the OLT rather than waiting for the OTDR to boot.  Or just clamp and see if
there is light -
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Optical-Identifier-800-1700nm-Functions/dp/B09JLL6NPM/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:45 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
wrote:
>
> We’ve been getting these smaller OTDR/VFL/OPMs from Amazon for our field
techs. This way they can see if there’s a problem with the drop at least.
If it’s anything past that, the splicers with the fancier/costlier OTDRs
get involved.  Price point is right and it does what they need it to do.
>
>
>
>
https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Mini-Pro-Mulit-Function-5m-60Km-Dynamic/dp/B092LNWZ4Y/
>
>
>
> -c
>
> On Oct 29, 2024, at 2:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the
bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today,
so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years
old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need
anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a
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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR Recommendations

2024-10-30 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

They have a special going on…it’s pretty “reasonable”.  :-)Regards,Jeff Jeff BroadwickCTIconnect312-205-2519 Office574-220-7826 Celljbroadw...@cticonnect.comOn Oct 29, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote:I think our definitions of "break the bank" might be a bit different. ;-)This equipment looks interesting, but I have a feeling it isn't going to fit the budget. Plus I need something that can be portable.On Tuesday, October 29, 2024, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:> Adtran/ADVA’s ALM. >> Will work in any network.>> OTDR on steroids.>> Regards,>> Jeff>> Jeff Broadwick> CTIconnect> 312-205-2519 Office> 574-220-7826 Cell> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 4:40 PM, Jason McKemie  wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for an OTDR that won't break the bank but is reasonably easy to use? My Exfo just stopped powering up today, so evidently I'm in the market for a new one. The Exfo is about 14 years old, so I assume they've come a little ways since then. I don't need anything for super long distances, mainly just access, PON features are a plus. -->> AF mailing list>> AF@af.afmug.com>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>>> --> AF mailing list> AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com>
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Re: [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause

2024-10-30 Thread Tyson Burris

Did you use a template or hire an attorney to write it?

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On Oct 30, 2024, at 18:31, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:


Many times there is a liquidated damages clause that fixes the penalty for 
walking off.  Like $5000
Then there is no calculating or arguing.  If they bail, they owe.  There are 
also performance bonds you can require.  They don’t finish the bond company 
pays.

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8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2024 4:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause

so I just had my first, probably not my last case of a subcontractor not 
starting a project and backing out.

It does screw me with my reputation with the customer, but its what it is, I am 
lining up a new sub.

My contract template has a non start/non complete clause of standard verbiage, 
the whole thing of basically the sub pays whatever it costs beyond any 
completed work.

Im not going to enforce it in this case, but are these clauses actually 
enforceable?  Like could I go hire somebody else at 3x the cost and bill the 
old sub? In this case Id doubt even with judement id see any dough, Im just 
curious if anybody has ever had to enforce this?


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[AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause

2024-10-30 Thread Steve Jones

so I just had my first, probably not my last case of a subcontractor not
starting a project and backing out.

It does screw me with my reputation with the customer, but its what it is,
I am lining up a new sub.

My contract template has a non start/non complete clause of standard
verbiage, the whole thing of basically the sub pays whatever it costs
beyond any completed work.

Im not going to enforce it in this case, but are these clauses actually
enforceable?  Like could I go hire somebody else at 3x the cost and bill
the old sub? In this case Id doubt even with judement id see any dough, Im
just curious if anybody has ever had to enforce this?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT chiste

2024-10-30 Thread Ken Hohhof

Yes, except you’re dating yourself.  Can you make it work with maybe Olivia 
Rodrigo?

 

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I invented that all by my self.

 

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Hice una broma:   Quien es la actriz y cantante m�s dulce de eeuu?  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause

2024-10-30 Thread Steve Jones

I NA the liquidated damages part normally, because it's never happenned to
me. may have to look at that.


On Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 5:31 PM  wrote:

> Many times there is a liquidated damages clause that fixes the penalty for
> walking off.  Like $5000
> Then there is no calculating or arguing.  If they bail, they owe.  There
> are also performance bonds you can require.  They don’t finish the bond
> company pays.
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> 
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2024 4:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause
>
> so I just had my first, probably not my last case of a subcontractor not
> starting a project and backing out.
>
> It does screw me with my reputation with the customer, but its what it is,
> I am lining up a new sub.
>
> My contract template has a non start/non complete clause of standard
> verbiage, the whole thing of basically the sub pays whatever it costs
> beyond any completed work.
>
> Im not going to enforce it in this case, but are these clauses actually
> enforceable?  Like could I go hire somebody else at 3x the cost and bill
> the old sub? In this case Id doubt even with judement id see any dough, Im
> just curious if anybody has ever had to enforce this?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT chiste

2024-10-30 Thread chuck

I invented that all by my self.

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Hice una broma:   Quien es la actriz y cantante m�s dulce de eeuu?  


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Re: [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause

2024-10-30 Thread chuck

Many times there is a liquidated damages clause that fixes the penalty for 
walking off.  Like $5000
Then there is no calculating or arguing.  If they bail, they owe.  There are 
also performance bonds you can require.  They don’t finish the bond company 
pays.  

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2024 4:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause

so I just had my first, probably not my last case of a subcontractor not 
starting a project and backing out. 

It does screw me with my reputation with the customer, but its what it is, I am 
lining up a new sub.

My contract template has a non start/non complete clause of standard verbiage, 
the whole thing of basically the sub pays whatever it costs beyond any 
completed work.

Im not going to enforce it in this case, but are these clauses actually 
enforceable?  Like could I go hire somebody else at 3x the cost and bill the 
old sub? In this case Id doubt even with judement id see any dough, Im just 
curious if anybody has ever had to enforce this?



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[AFMUG] OT chiste

2024-10-30 Thread chuck

Hice una broma:   Quien es la actriz y cantante más dulce de eeuu?  


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Re: [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause

2024-10-30 Thread Steve Jones

stole one from a city contract and ran it past the attorney and insurance
guy

On Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 5:37 PM Tyson Burris  wrote:

> Did you use a template or hire an attorney to write it?
>
>
> 
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>   *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
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>
> VIA WIRELESS
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> On Oct 30, 2024, at 18:31, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>
> 
> Many times there is a liquidated damages clause that fixes the penalty for
> walking off.  Like $5000
> Then there is no calculating or arguing.  If they bail, they owe.  There
> are also performance bonds you can require.  They don’t finish the bond
> company pays.
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> 
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2024 4:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] nonstart/noncompletion clause
>
> so I just had my first, probably not my last case of a subcontractor not
> starting a project and backing out.
>
> It does screw me with my reputation with the customer, but its what it is,
> I am lining up a new sub.
>
> My contract template has a non start/non complete clause of standard
> verbiage, the whole thing of basically the sub pays whatever it costs
> beyond any completed work.
>
> Im not going to enforce it in this case, but are these clauses actually
> enforceable?  Like could I go hire somebody else at 3x the cost and bill
> the old sub? In this case Id doubt even with judement id see any dough, Im
> just curious if anybody has ever had to enforce this?
>
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