Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

[Craig Baird]

I would do VOIP in a heartbeat if it weren't for the fact that I can't find
a VOIP provider that can port our local numbers. For some reason, only
cellular carriers seem to be able to port our numbers out of the telco
(rural area with a small co-op telco). My first thought on this was to have
them call-forward the phone with the local number to the VOIP number. But
then they'll wind up paying $.10 per minute for in-state long distance on
every incoming call. I also thought about having them port the local number
to a cell phone, and then call-forward the cell phone over to the VOIP line
in order to avoid the long distance, but then they're paying for the cell
service in addition to the VOIP service. That, and when I tried to explain
this to them, I just got that deer-in-the-headlights look.

Craig

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 5:49 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I did this in ~2010 with an IPmux-24
>
> https://www.rad.com/products/Multiservice/IPmux-24-IPmux-216-TDM-pseudowire-access-gateways
>
> For a small business the amount of money for this, for me, would never be
> enough to do it again.  Just switch them to VoIP and move to 2000+.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 9:24 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> 1) If you have an ethernet network in place couldn't you just steal a
>> pair?
>> 2) Why bother with converting POTs ->IP -> POTS?  Just get rid of the
>> pots line and replace it with a VOIP line.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good cordless phone.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Darin Steffl 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Don't touch this. It'll be a support disaster and waste of your time.
>>> Have them contact the telco to run a new cable on the outside or bury it to
>>> that restaurant. Whatever doesn't involve you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 1:00 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>>>
 I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the
 FXS port and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work.

 This document outlines the config -
 https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en

 [image: photograph]
 Daniel White
 Co-Founder
 phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766

 Chuck McCown via AF 
 March 3, 2022 at 11:06
 I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs.

 *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM
 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?


 Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a
 device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at
 the other end.

 I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m
 afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent.



 Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution
 for a gift shop.



 Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the
 other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races.
 That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.
 I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.



 I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m
 afraid I don’t.







 *From:* AF   *On
 Behalf Of *Craig Baird
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?



 Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco,
 convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a
 normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset?



 Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a
 restaurant in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they
 have a POTS line that is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of
 the gift shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into
 the restaurant where it eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid
 of the wire that runs across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid.
 Unfortunately, there's a reason the wire was originally run that way--there
 isn't really another way to get it to the restaurant without tearing a
 bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic and crawlspace). However, I do have an
 ethernet network in place between the two buildings, and can relatively
 easily get a wire from the demarc to a network switch.



 So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs
 into Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also
 plugs into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each

Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

[Craig Baird]

That's something I hadn't thought of. I hadn't planned on running fiber for
a while, but maybe it makes sense to bump that up on the priority list.

Craig


On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 11:55 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Maybe you can suggest to them to run fiber between the buildings to
> improve data connectivity and then use the CAT6 for the phone line?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Baird
> *Sent:* Friday, March 4, 2022 11:02 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>
>
>
> Thanks Daniel. This looks like exactly what I was looking for. I think
> I'll grab these and give it a try, if for nothing else than just to learn
> something new. If for some reason it doesn't work out, I can look at other
> options like running wire outside the building.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:38 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>
> I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the FXS
> port and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work.
>
> This document outlines the config -
> https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en
>
>
>
> [image: photograph]
>
>
> *Daniel White*Co-Founder
>
> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2770
> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2766
>
>
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
>
> March 3, 2022 at 11:06
>
> I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs.
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>
>
>
> Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a device
> with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at the other
> end.
>
> I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m
> afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent.
>
>
>
> Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution for
> a gift shop.
>
>
>
> Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the other…..a
> little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races.  That
> might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.  I’m
> pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.
>
>
>
> I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m afraid
> I don’t.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Craig Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>
>
>
> Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco,
> convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a
> normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset?
>
>
>
> Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a restaurant
> in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they have a POTS
> line that is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of the gift
> shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into the
> restaurant where it eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid of
> the wire that runs across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid.
> Unfortunately, there's a reason the wire was originally run that way--there
> isn't really another way to get it to the restaurant without tearing a
> bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic and crawlspace). However, I do have an
> ethernet network in place between the two buildings, and can relatively
> easily get a wire from the demarc to a network switch.
>
>
>
> So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs into
> Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also
> plugs into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each
> other over the IP network, and magically transport the POTS line to where
> it needs to be.
>
>
>
> Do such devices exist?
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> --
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> March 3, 2022 at 10:55
>
> Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a device
> with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at the other
> end.
>
> I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m
> afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent.
>
>
>
> Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution for
> a gift shop.
>
>
>
> Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the other…..a
> little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races.  That
> might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.  I’m
> pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.
>
>
>
> I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m afraid
> I don’t.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

[Mike Hammett]

What's the NPA-NXX? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Craig Baird"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 9:52:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? 


Also, regarding just going with VOIP, that was my first thought. However, I 
have yet to find a VOIP provider that can port our small town's local numbers. 


Craig 




On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:25 AM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 



1) If you have an ethernet network in place couldn't you just steal a pair? 
2) Why bother with converting POTs ->IP -> POTS? Just get rid of the pots line 
and replace it with a VOIP line. 




On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 



Good cordless phone. 


Sent from my iPhone 



On Mar 3, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 







Don't touch this. It'll be a support disaster and waste of your time. Have them 
contact the telco to run a new cable on the outside or bury it to that 
restaurant. Whatever doesn't involve you. 






On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 1:00 PM Daniel White < dwh...@atheral.com > wrote: 




I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the FXS port 
and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work. 

This document outlines the config - 
https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en
 


photograph  Daniel White 
Co-Founder 
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 





Chuck McCown via AF 
March 3, 2022 at 11:06 



I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs. 




From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? 



Yeah. The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that. You’d get a device with 
the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at the other end. 
I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m afraid I 
don’t know the modern equivalent. 

Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution for a 
gift shop. 

Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the other…..a little 
creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races. That might be cheap 
enough, but this may not be practical for everyone. I’m pretty certain it would 
work, it would just burn a lot of your time. 

I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m afraid I 
don’t. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig Baird 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? 


Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco, convert 
it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a normal 
analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset? 



Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a restaurant in a 
separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they have a POTS line that 
is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of the gift shop. At the 
rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into the restaurant where it 
eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid of the wire that runs 
across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid. Unfortunately, there's a 
reason the wire was originally run that way--there isn't really another way to 
get it to the restaurant without tearing a bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic 
and crawlspace). However, I do have an ethernet network in place between the 
two buildings, and can relatively easily get a wire from the demarc to a 
network switch. 



So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs into 
Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also plugs 
into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each other 
over the IP network, and magically transport the POTS line to where it needs to 
be. 



Do such devices exist? 



Craig 



-- 
AF mailing list 
AF@af.afmug.com 
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 



dmmoff...@gmail.com 
March 3, 2022 at 10:55 


Yeah. The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that. You’d get a device with 
the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at the other end. 
I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m afraid I 
don’t know the modern equivalent. 

Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution for a 
gift shop. 

Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the other…..a little 
creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races. That might be cheap 
enough, but this may not be practical for everyone. I’m pretty certain it would 
work, it would just burn a lot of your time. 

I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I

Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

[Craig Baird]

435-644

Craig

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 3:07 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What's the NPA-NXX?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Craig Baird" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 4, 2022 9:52:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>
> Also, regarding just going with VOIP, that was my first thought. However,
> I have yet to find a VOIP provider that can port our small town's local
> numbers.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:25 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> 1) If you have an ethernet network in place couldn't you just steal a
>> pair?
>> 2) Why bother with converting POTs ->IP -> POTS?  Just get rid of the
>> pots line and replace it with a VOIP line.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good cordless phone.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Darin Steffl 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Don't touch this. It'll be a support disaster and waste of your time.
>>> Have them contact the telco to run a new cable on the outside or bury it to
>>> that restaurant. Whatever doesn't involve you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 1:00 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>>>
 I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the
 FXS port and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work.

 This document outlines the config -
 https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en

 [image: photograph]
 Daniel White
 Co-Founder
 phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766

 Chuck McCown via AF 
 March 3, 2022 at 11:06
 I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs.

 *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM
 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?


 Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a
 device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at
 the other end.

 I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m
 afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent.



 Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution
 for a gift shop.



 Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the
 other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races.
 That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.
 I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.



 I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m
 afraid I don’t.







 *From:* AF   *On
 Behalf Of *Craig Baird
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?



 Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco,
 convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a
 normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset?



 Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a
 restaurant in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they
 have a POTS line that is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of
 the gift shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into
 the restaurant where it eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid
 of the wire that runs across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid.
 Unfortunately, there's a reason the wire was originally run that way--there
 isn't really another way to get it to the restaurant without tearing a
 bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic and crawlspace). However, I do have an
 ethernet network in place between the two buildings, and can relatively
 easily get a wire from the demarc to a network switch.



 So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs
 into Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also
 plugs into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each
 other over the IP network, and magically

Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

[Darin Steffl]

Why not just port it to Verizon home phone or AT&T? They sell cellular base
stations that provide land-line service with regular RJ-11 jacks. Caller
ID, unlimited long distance all included for $24.99 plus some taxes. Call
it $30 all-in for a land-line replacement on their cell networks. Call
quality is great and runs as VOLTE.

https://www.verizon.com/home-office-solutions/wireless-home-phone-lvp2/

I have some customers using it and works fine.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 5:51 PM Craig Baird  wrote:

> 435-644
>
> Craig
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 3:07 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> What's the NPA-NXX?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Craig Baird" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 4, 2022 9:52:24 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>>
>> Also, regarding just going with VOIP, that was my first thought. However,
>> I have yet to find a VOIP provider that can port our small town's local
>> numbers.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:25 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1) If you have an ethernet network in place couldn't you just steal a
>>> pair?
>>> 2) Why bother with converting POTs ->IP -> POTS?  Just get rid of the
>>> pots line and replace it with a VOIP line.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good cordless phone.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 3, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Darin Steffl 
 wrote:

 
 Don't touch this. It'll be a support disaster and waste of your time.
 Have them contact the telco to run a new cable on the outside or bury it to
 that restaurant. Whatever doesn't involve you.



 On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 1:00 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the
> FXS port and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work.
>
> This document outlines the config -
> https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en
>
> [image: photograph]
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder
> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> Chuck McCown via AF 
> March 3, 2022 at 11:06
> I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs.
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>
>
> Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a
> device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at
> the other end.
>
> I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m
> afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent.
>
>
>
> Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution
> for a gift shop.
>
>
>
> Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the
> other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races.
> That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.
> I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.
>
>
>
> I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m
> afraid I don’t.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On
> Behalf Of *Craig Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>
>
>
> Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco,
> convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a
> normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset?
>
>
>
> Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a
> restaurant in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they
> have a POTS line that is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of
> the gift shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into
> the restaurant where it eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get 
> rid
> of the wire that runs across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid.
> Unfortunate

Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?

[Darin Steffl]

It's cheaper than I thought. It's only $20 plus tax for everything included
on Verizon. I'm sure this is cheaper than their current land-line and
includes more features and unlimited long distance.

No need to worry about running new cable or converting to voip then back to
POTS.

If Verizon says they can port their current land-line number, I'd go this
route.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022, 1:18 AM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Why not just port it to Verizon home phone or AT&T? They sell cellular
> base stations that provide land-line service with regular RJ-11 jacks.
> Caller ID, unlimited long distance all included for $24.99 plus some taxes.
> Call it $30 all-in for a land-line replacement on their cell networks. Call
> quality is great and runs as VOLTE.
>
> https://www.verizon.com/home-office-solutions/wireless-home-phone-lvp2/
>
> I have some customers using it and works fine.
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022, 5:51 PM Craig Baird  wrote:
>
>> 435-644
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 3:07 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> What's the NPA-NXX?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Craig Baird" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 4, 2022 9:52:24 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>>>
>>> Also, regarding just going with VOIP, that was my first thought.
>>> However, I have yet to find a VOIP provider that can port our small town's
>>> local numbers.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 7:25 AM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 1) If you have an ethernet network in place couldn't you just steal a
 pair?
 2) Why bother with converting POTs ->IP -> POTS?  Just get rid of the
 pots line and replace it with a VOIP line.


 On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> Good cordless phone.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Don't touch this. It'll be a support disaster and waste of your time.
> Have them contact the telco to run a new cable on the outside or bury it 
> to
> that restaurant. Whatever doesn't involve you.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 1:00 PM Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the
>> FXS port and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work.
>>
>> This document outlines the config -
>> https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en
>>
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>> Chuck McCown via AF 
>> March 3, 2022 at 11:06
>> I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs.
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>>
>>
>> Yeah.  The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that.  You’d get a
>> device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at
>> the other end.
>>
>> I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m
>> afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution
>> for a gift shop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the
>> other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the 
>> races.
>> That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone.
>> I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m
>> afraid I don’t.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Craig Baird
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the
>> telco, convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it 
>>>