I would do VOIP in a heartbeat if it weren't for the fact that I can't find a VOIP provider that can port our local numbers. For some reason, only cellular carriers seem to be able to port our numbers out of the telco (rural area with a small co-op telco). My first thought on this was to have them call-forward the phone with the local number to the VOIP number. But then they'll wind up paying $.10 per minute for in-state long distance on every incoming call. I also thought about having them port the local number to a cell phone, and then call-forward the cell phone over to the VOIP line in order to avoid the long distance, but then they're paying for the cell service in addition to the VOIP service. That, and when I tried to explain this to them, I just got that deer-in-the-headlights look.
Craig On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 5:49 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > I did this in ~2010 with an IPmux-24 > > https://www.rad.com/products/Multiservice/IPmux-24-IPmux-216-TDM-pseudowire-access-gateways > > For a small business the amount of money for this, for me, would never be > enough to do it again. Just switch them to VoIP and move to 2000+. > > On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 9:24 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: > >> 1) If you have an ethernet network in place couldn't you just steal a >> pair? >> 2) Why bother with converting POTs ->IP -> POTS? Just get rid of the >> pots line and replace it with a VOIP line. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Good cordless phone. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Don't touch this. It'll be a support disaster and waste of your time. >>> Have them contact the telco to run a new cable on the outside or bury it to >>> that restaurant. Whatever doesn't involve you. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 1:00 PM Daniel White <dwh...@atheral.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I've not personally done this, but I'd be a Grandstream HT801 for the >>>> FXS port and a Grandstream HT813 for the FXO port would work. >>>> >>>> This document outlines the config - >>>> https://www.grandstream.com/hubfs/Product_Documentation/Peering_HT8XX_with_HT813.pdf?hsLang=en >>>> >>>> [image: photograph] >>>> Daniel White >>>> Co-Founder >>>> phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 >>>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 >>>> >>>> Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> March 3, 2022 at 11:06 >>>> I have done it with FXS to FXO ATAs. >>>> >>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2022 10:55 AM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? >>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah. The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that. You’d get a >>>> device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at >>>> the other end. >>>> >>>> I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m >>>> afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution >>>> for a gift shop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the >>>> other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races. >>>> That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone. >>>> I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m >>>> afraid I don’t. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>>> Behalf Of *Craig Baird >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco, >>>> convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a >>>> normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a >>>> restaurant in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they >>>> have a POTS line that is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of >>>> the gift shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into >>>> the restaurant where it eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid >>>> of the wire that runs across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid. >>>> Unfortunately, there's a reason the wire was originally run that way--there >>>> isn't really another way to get it to the restaurant without tearing a >>>> bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic and crawlspace). However, I do have an >>>> ethernet network in place between the two buildings, and can relatively >>>> easily get a wire from the demarc to a network switch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs >>>> into Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also >>>> plugs into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each >>>> other over the IP network, and magically transport the POTS line to where >>>> it needs to be. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do such devices exist? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>> March 3, 2022 at 10:55 >>>> >>>> Yeah. The Linksys/Sipura SPA equipment could do that. You’d get a >>>> device with the FXO port on one end (I think SPA3000) and then an ATA at >>>> the other end. >>>> >>>> I don’t think that feature set survived the transition to Cisco…..I’m >>>> afraid I don’t know the modern equivalent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Adtran Total Access can do that too, but that’s an expensive solution >>>> for a gift shop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Asterisk boxes with an FXO card on one end and FXS card on the >>>> other…..a little creativity with the dialplan and you’re off to the races. >>>> That might be cheap enough, but this may not be practical for everyone. >>>> I’m pretty certain it would work, it would just burn a lot of your time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’d hope somebody here knows the current good/cheap option, but I’m >>>> afraid I don’t. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>>> Behalf Of *Craig Baird >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2022 12:48 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] POTS line over IP network? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco, >>>> convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a >>>> normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a >>>> restaurant in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they >>>> have a POTS line that is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of >>>> the gift shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into >>>> the restaurant where it eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid >>>> of the wire that runs across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid. >>>> Unfortunately, there's a reason the wire was originally run that way--there >>>> isn't really another way to get it to the restaurant without tearing a >>>> bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic and crawlspace). However, I do have an >>>> ethernet network in place between the two buildings, and can relatively >>>> easily get a wire from the demarc to a network switch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs >>>> into Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also >>>> plugs into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each >>>> other over the IP network, and magically transport the POTS line to where >>>> it needs to be. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Do such devices exist? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Craig Baird <cr...@xpressweb.com> >>>> March 3, 2022 at 10:47 >>>> Is anyone aware of a device that will take a POTS line from the telco, >>>> convert it to IP, and then somewhere on the network convert it back into a >>>> normal analog POTs line to plug into an analog handset? >>>> >>>> Basically, I have a customer who owns a gift shop. They have a >>>> restaurant in a separate building behind the gift shop. Currently, they >>>> have a POTS line that is strung from the demarc, and across the ceiling of >>>> the gift shop. At the rear, it exits the gift shop and makes its way into >>>> the restaurant where it eventually plugs into a phone. They want to get rid >>>> of the wire that runs across the ceiling because it looks crazy stupid. >>>> Unfortunately, there's a reason the wire was originally run that way--there >>>> isn't really another way to get it to the restaurant without tearing a >>>> bunch of stuff apart (lack of attic and crawlspace). However, I do have an >>>> ethernet network in place between the two buildings, and can relatively >>>> easily get a wire from the demarc to a network switch. >>>> >>>> So, what I'm envisioning is a pair of boxes. One of the boxes plugs >>>> into Ethernet has an FXS port to plug in the POTS line. The other box, also >>>> plugs into Ethernet and has an FXO port to plug in the phone. They see each >>>> other over the IP network, and magically transport the POTS line to where >>>> it needs to be. >>>> >>>> Do such devices exist? >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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