Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Adam Moffett]

If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared 
storage is very helpful.  When you want to reboot a physical machine for 
OS upgrade and the VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them 
off that box in a few seconds.   Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate 
VM's back.  No downtime.


On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look 
into it. If anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 
15 minutes discussing what we need I would appreciate it.


On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do.
As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly
compute intensive, so it's a great way to stretch resources. We
find we can run 3 or 4 virtual machines on each physical machine.

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the
paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive,
where other solutions (e.g. Proxmox) has an advantage because of
open source.

The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as
VM-lite. Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs
with a significantly lighter load on the hardware. As a result,
you can load up more applications on less hardware. The leading
contender in the container space is Kubernetes and it's also open
source.

Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your
requirements.


bp


On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only
15 years behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling
reason.

I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's,
backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not
as big a priority for me (at least I don't think so).

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced
crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there
others? Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for?
What I will run is important for sure.

I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when
I started.



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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Mike Hammett]

CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated, shared storage 
box. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 


If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared storage is 
very helpful. When you want to reboot a physical machine for OS upgrade and the 
VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few 
seconds. Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back. No downtime. 

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look into it. If 
anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing 
what we need I would appreciate it. 


On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do. As it happens 
a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so it's a 
great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual machines on 
each physical machine. 
We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the paid-for bells and 
whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g. 
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source. 
The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as VM-lite. 
Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs with a significantly 
lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up more applications on 
less hardware. The leading contender in the container space is Kubernetes and 
it's also open source. 
Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your requirements. 

bp
 
On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years 
behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason. 


I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups, 
snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority for 
me (at least I don't think so). 


Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd. 


It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? Commercial 
support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is important for 
sure. 


I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I started. 






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Re: [AFMUG] servers

[Adam Moffett]

Lots of good points in this thread.

Blades are so expensive they don't look cost effective until you're 
weighing them against building an addition on the server room.  You gain 
management features though, and you're generally getting the "carrier 
grade" server by default.  I don't think anybody makes a crummy blade 
system.


I have been tempted by the 12V Mini-boxes in the past, but never did 
it.  A quad-core box for a few hundred bucks could give you it's own 
kind of resiliency because it's painless to keep spares.


Dell and HP are the go-to guys for new or used.  Supermicro can be a 
great value, but be careful because they do sell both high and low end 
equipment.  Make sure the Supermicro you buy is cheap because it's a 
good deal and not because it's just cheap.


-Adam


On 9/25/2020 9:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable. Last a long time.
Thinking blade servers.
Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP uses.
Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and Hyper 
V, all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.

But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Lewis Bergman]

I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and combines
them into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated, shared
> storage box.
>
>
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> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines
>
> If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared
> storage is very helpful.  When you want to reboot a physical machine for OS
> upgrade and the VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them off
> that box in a few seconds.   Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's
> back.  No downtime.
> On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look into
> it. If anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes
> discussing what we need I would appreciate it.
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do. As it
>> happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so
>> it's a great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual
>> machines on each physical machine.
>>
>> We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the paid-for
>> bells and whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive, where other
>> solutions (e.g. Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source.
>>
>> The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as
>> VM-lite. Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs with a
>> significantly lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up
>> more applications on less hardware. The leading contender in the container
>> space is Kubernetes and it's also open source.
>>
>> Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your requirements.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15
>> years behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason.
>>
>> I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups,
>> snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority
>> for me (at least I don't think so).
>>
>> Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd.
>>
>> It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others?
>> Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is
>> important for sure.
>>
>> I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I
>> started.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I just rolled out CEPH in a new cluster and it is great!
I’m stoked about essentially a “RAID” array of servers.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 7:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated, shared storage 
box.


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From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared storage is 
very helpful.  When you want to reboot a physical machine for OS upgrade and 
the VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few 
seconds.   Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back.  No downtime.
On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look into it. If 
anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing 
what we need I would appreciate it.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do. As it happens 
a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so it's a 
great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual machines on 
each physical machine.

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the paid-for bells and 
whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g. 
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source.

The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as VM-lite. 
Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs with a significantly 
lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up more applications on 
less hardware. The leading contender in the container space is Kubernetes and 
it's also open source.

Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your requirements.



bp


On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years 
behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason.

I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups, 
snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority for 
me (at least I don't think so).

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? Commercial 
support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is important for 
sure.

I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I started.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

[dave]

That site triggered some site guards that firefox has LOL


On 9/24/20 7:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Did you read the story about the village in Wales: 
https://www.cnet.com/news/an-old-tv-crashed-entire-towns-broadband-every-day-for-more-than-a-year/




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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a high level. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 


I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and combines them 
into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster? 


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated, shared storage 
box. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 


If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared storage is 
very helpful. When you want to reboot a physical machine for OS upgrade and the 
VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few 
seconds. Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back. No downtime. 

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look into it. If 
anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing 
what we need I would appreciate it. 


On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do. As it happens 
a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so it's a 
great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual machines on 
each physical machine. 
We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the paid-for bells and 
whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g. 
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source. 
The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as VM-lite. 
Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs with a significantly 
lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up more applications on 
less hardware. The leading contender in the container space is Kubernetes and 
it's also open source. 
Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your requirements. 

bp
 
On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years 
behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason. 


I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups, 
snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority for 
me (at least I don't think so). 


Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd. 


It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? Commercial 
support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is important for 
sure. 


I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I started. 






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Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

[Cameron Crum]

I think Dave Chappelle just proved you still can do comedy. Didn't he just
win 2 emmys even though the PC police panned his show badly?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Newspaper today had an interview with Lorne Michaels about the return of
> Saturday Night Live.  He mentioned skits they probably couldn’t do today.
> Gilda Radner couldn’t do Rosanne Rosannadanna, John Belushi couldn’t do the
> Samurai, Steve Martin and Dan Aykroyd couldn’t do the Czech Brothers
> because they’re not Czech, Garrett Morris couldn’t do News for the Hard of
> Hearing.
>
>
>
> I wonder if the Olympia Restaurant would also be off limits.
> Cheeseburger, cheeseburger, cheeseburger.  No fries, chips.  No Coke,
> Pepsi.  But it made fun of Greek people.
>
>
>
> And what about the killer bees?  Weren’t they like Mexican banditos?
>
>
>
> Probably couldn’t do King Tut either, isn’t that disrespectful to
> Egyptians?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> I concur
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 8:48 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Good one.  According to Ancestry.com I am mostly Scottish.  Love Scottish
> and Irish jokes.  There used to be Mc jokes and Mike and Ike jokes.  I say
> we cancel PC culture.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Are we still allowed to tell Scottish jokes?
>
> http://www.joke-of-the-day.com/jokes/scottish-private-condom
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 7:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> Speaking of prophylactic, did you see the click bait news articles about
> Vietnam company “recycling” condoms as new
>
> That is a new level of nasty as far as I am concerned.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 5:37 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> I went full Prophylactic with mine. Last time I got a new phone, I put it
> in a super-thin bump guard, and then dropped my glasses on the face when I
> had it sitting face-up on the counter.
>
>
>
> I replaced it; the darn thing was only a few days old. After I got the
> replacement, I put the bump guard back on plus a thin screen protector.
>
>
>
> Cracked phones are just a pisser.
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 4:27 PM  wrote:
>
> I don’t have a case.  I like it thin.  But that screen protector really
> does the job.  And the speaker is still working so the plastic inside was
> probably compatible with brake cleaner.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 5:22 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> The second time I had the screen replaced on my S8 I gave in and bought a
> case.  Don’t have a screen protector though.  When it would drop, it would
> hit on a corner or an edge.
>
>
>
> The Fixit guy thought I was crazy the second time for having it fixed
> because it was still fully functional despite having a crack.  Perhaps he
> was right.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 6:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> I have dropped it quite a few times.  It has the plastic screen
> protector.  So far so good.  Have had it a few years now.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 5:02 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone
>
>
>
> Just don't drop it from more than 10 inches...it will shatter into million
> pieces
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:28 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Was steam cleaning a while back and got me phone coated with greasy dirt,
> or maybe it was dirty grease.  I noticed it got increasingly hard to hear.
> To the point I started using the speakerphone.  Jenny has a phone fixer
> guy, great he will change out the speaker.  They are available as are
> videos as to how to swap them out.  Nope her guy was just going to clean it
> with alcohol and a tooth brush.  He said you can’t get any solvent inside
> it...  screw that, took a spray can of brake cleaner, hosed it out, Blew it
> out with air.  So far as good as new.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Steven Kenney]

The selling point for me in Vmware was Storage Motion. If it were not for that 
and the fact I'm already invested in them now i'd move to Proxmox. For Storage 
Motion I can migrate not only the VM but also the hard drive to a different 
datastore while live. It won't work on major servers that have deltas moving 
faster than it can keep up though. But if I need to turn down and update one 
datastore to do maint I can slowly move all VM's off. 

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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:34:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 



If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared storage is 
very helpful. When you want to reboot a physical machine for OS upgrade and the 
VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few 
seconds. Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back. No downtime. 
On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look into it. If 
anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing 
what we need I would appreciate it. 

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince < [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com | 
part15...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do. As it happens 
a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so it's a 
great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual machines on 
each physical machine. 

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the paid-for bells and 
whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g. 
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source. 

The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as VM-lite. 
Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs with a significantly 
lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up more applications on 
less hardware. The leading contender in the container space is Kubernetes and 
it's also open source. 

Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your requirements. 


bp
 
On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 

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I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years 
behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason. 

I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups, 
snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority for 
me (at least I don't think so). 

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd. 

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? Commercial 
support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is important for 
sure. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

[Ken Hohhof]

Not sure PC police are the target market for comedy, probably had sense of 
humor surgically removed.

 

George Carlin got his start with the “7 words you can never say on television”. 
 Now you hear those words all the time, but other things offend people.  I find 
some things offensive but most of the time I can just not listen to the song, 
watch the show, or buy the product.  But of course now you can’t do that, it 
gets labeled “cancel culture” and it’s bad.  So Aunt Jemima syrup is offensive, 
but if I just don’t buy it, that’s bad too?  Oh, I get it, the PC police want 
to decide what offends me and should be canceled.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

I think Dave Chappelle just proved you still can do comedy. Didn't he just win 
2 emmys even though the PC police panned his show badly?

 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Newspaper today had an interview with Lorne Michaels about the return of 
Saturday Night Live.  He mentioned skits they probably couldn’t do today.  
Gilda Radner couldn’t do Rosanne Rosannadanna, John Belushi couldn’t do the 
Samurai, Steve Martin and Dan Aykroyd couldn’t do the Czech Brothers because 
they’re not Czech, Garrett Morris couldn’t do News for the Hard of Hearing.

 

I wonder if the Olympia Restaurant would also be off limits.  Cheeseburger, 
cheeseburger, cheeseburger.  No fries, chips.  No Coke, Pepsi.  But it made fun 
of Greek people.

 

And what about the killer bees?  Weren’t they like Mexican banditos?

 

Probably couldn’t do King Tut either, isn’t that disrespectful to Egyptians?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

I concur

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 8:48 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Good one.  According to Ancestry.com I am mostly Scottish.  Love Scottish and 
Irish jokes.  There used to be Mc jokes and Mike and Ike jokes.  I say we 
cancel PC culture.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 25, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Are we still allowed to tell Scottish jokes?

http://www.joke-of-the-day.com/jokes/scottish-private-condom

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

Speaking of prophylactic, did you see the click bait news articles about 
Vietnam company “recycling” condoms as new 

That is a new level of nasty as far as I am concerned.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:37 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

I went full Prophylactic with mine. Last time I got a new phone, I put it in a 
super-thin bump guard, and then dropped my glasses on the face when I had it 
sitting face-up on the counter. 

 

I replaced it; the darn thing was only a few days old. After I got the 
replacement, I put the bump guard back on plus a thin screen protector. 

 

Cracked phones are just a pisser.

 

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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 4:27 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I don’t have a case.  I like it thin.  But that screen protector really does 
the job.  And the speaker is still working so the plastic inside was probably 
compatible with brake cleaner.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:22 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

The second time I had the screen replaced on my S8 I gave in and bought a case. 
 Don’t have a screen protector though.  When it would drop, it would hit on a 
corner or an edge.

 

The Fixit guy thought I was crazy the second time for having it fixed because 
it was still fully functional despite having a crack.  Perhaps he was right.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

I have dropped it quite a few times.  It has the plastic screen protector.  So 
far so good.  Have had it a few years now.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:02 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fixes my iPhone

 

Just don't drop it from more than 10 inches...it will shatter into million 
pieces

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:28 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Was steam cleaning a while back and got me phone coated with greasy dirt, or 
maybe it was dirty grease.  I noticed it 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

[Steven Kenney]

Makes me wonder how a television could emit the frequencies. Its designed to 
receive them. 

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From: "dave"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:21:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs! 

That site triggered some site guards that firefox has LOL 


On 9/24/20 7:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 



Did you read the story about the village in Wales: [ 
https://www.cnet.com/news/an-old-tv-crashed-entire-towns-broadband-every-day-for-more-than-a-year/
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https://www.cnet.com/news/an-old-tv-crashed-entire-towns-broadband-every-day-for-more-than-a-year/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

[Mark Radabaugh]

Look up Heterodyne: Heterodyne 

Nearly all modern receivers generate internal RF frequencies to mix with the 
received signal.   When they break or are poorly designed they can transmit a 
significant amount of RF.

Mark

> On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Steven Kenney  wrote:
> 
> Makes me wonder how a television could emit the frequencies.  Its designed to 
> receive them.  
> 
>   
>     
>    
>    
>     
> STEVEN KENNEY 
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY
> A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
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> W: www.wavedirect.net
> 
> From: "dave" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:21:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!
> 
> That site triggered some site guards that firefox has LOL
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/24/20 7:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> 
> Did you read the story about the village in Wales: 
> https://www.cnet.com/news/an-old-tv-crashed-entire-towns-broadband-every-day-for-more-than-a-year/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

[Robert]

Not just TV's.   The local FAA terminal radar was almost disabled 15 
years ago because of an old Mac that was leaking out of the case with 
enough signal to completely blind one sector of the radar.   That with a 
radar signal measure in 100's of watts, if not 1000's...


On 9/28/20 9:54 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Look up Heterodyne: Heterodyne 

Nearly all modern receivers generate internal RF frequencies to mix 
with the received signal.   When they break or are poorly designed 
they can transmit a significant amount of RF.


Mark

On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Steven Kenney > wrote:


Makes me wonder how a television could emit the frequencies.  Its 
designed to receive them.


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*From: *"dave" mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 9:21:20 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

That site triggered some site guards that firefox has LOL



On 9/24/20 7:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Did you read the story about the village in Wales:

https://www.cnet.com/news/an-old-tv-crashed-entire-towns-broadband-every-day-for-more-than-a-year/



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

[Ken Hohhof]

How old was this "old" TV?  I'm imagining a pre-digital TV that would need a
converter box anyway.  I mean, I've got a Panasonic 720p plasma TV that has
to be at least 12 years old because it was bought at Circuit City.  Is that
"old"?

 

Plus who connects their TV directly to cable anyway, wouldn't there be a set
top box?  Sounds like something was broken or connected wrong, not just old.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

 

Look up Heterodyne: Heterodyne  

 

Nearly all modern receivers generate internal RF frequencies to mix with the
received signal.   When they break or are poorly designed they can transmit
a significant amount of RF.

 

Mark

 

On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

 

Makes me wonder how a television could emit the frequencies.  Its designed
to receive them.  

 


  

 



  

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W: www.wavedirect.net  

 


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From: "dave" mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:21:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Watch out for old TVs!

 

That site triggered some site guards that firefox has LOL




On 9/24/20 7:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Did you read the story about the village in Wales:
https://www.cnet.com/news/an-old-tv-crashed-entire-towns-broadband-every-day
-for-more-than-a-year/



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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Lewis,
One thing that may not be obvious in all the discussion about one
  implementation being better than another is the sheer flexibility
  of VMs and containers. You need a machine to do X? Poof! You can
  create one in a minute or two; often less than that. Just really,
  really flexible.


bp

On 9/27/2020 8:43 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my
searches. I'll look into it. If anyone really knows the space
and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing what we need I
would appreciate it. 
  
  
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM
  Bill Prince  wrote:


  
VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you
  need to do. As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not
  particularly compute intensive, so it's a great way to
  stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual
  machines on each physical machine.
We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of
  the paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can become pretty
  expensive, where other solutions (e.g. Proxmox) has an
  advantage because of open source.
The other consideration is containers, which can be
  thought of as VM-lite. Containers provide almost all of
  the advantages of VMs with a significantly lighter load on
  the hardware. As a result, you can load up more
  applications on less hardware. The leading contender in
  the container space is Kubernetes and it's also open
  source.
Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over
  your requirements.


bp

On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


  I have decided I needed to get on the VM
train. I know, I am only 15 years behind. Honestly, till
now I haven't had a compelling reason.


I want something that will at least do
  some monitoring of VM's, backups, snapshots, etc.
  Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a
  priority for me (at least I don't think so).


Since I don't know what I don't know, I
  am asking the experienced crowd.


It seems the two real choices are VMWare
  and Zen. Are there others? Commercial support seems
  nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is
  important for sure. 


I spent a few hours last night and I
  more confused now than when I started.




  
  
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

I have never tried proxmox...
 What kind of hypervisor interface does it have?


On 9/27/20 9:39 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Proxmox for sure. I've used Proxmox for 10+ years and VMWare for 
probably 8 years. I'm phasing out VMWare in favor of Proxmox.




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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:27:22 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Virtual machines

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 
years behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason.


I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, 
backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as 
big a priority for me (at least I don't think so).


Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? 
Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run 
is important for sure.


I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I 
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Steven Kenney]

GUI.. not bad looking either.. at least the old one I ran from years ago. I 
think it has some vmotion style things going on too now. 

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From: "dave"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:33:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 

I have never tried proxmox... 
What kind of hypervisor interface does it have? 


On 9/27/20 9:39 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



Proxmox for sure. I've used Proxmox for 10+ years and VMWare for probably 8 
years. I'm phasing out VMWare in favor of Proxmox. 



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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:27:22 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years 
behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason. 

I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups, 
snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority for 
me (at least I don't think so). 

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd. 

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? Commercial 
support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is important for 
sure. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would alert or 
something to notify of a failing drive.



On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a high level.



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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and 
combines them into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster?


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:


CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated,
shared storage box.



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*From: *"Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast
shared storage is very helpful. When you want to reboot a physical
machine for OS upgrade and the VM's are on shared storage then you
can migrate them off that box in a few seconds.   Do your
maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back.  No downtime.

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll
look into it. If anyone really knows the space and wouldn't
mind spending 15 minutes discussing what we need I would
appreciate it.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need
to do. As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not
particularly compute intensive, so it's a great way to
stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual
machines on each physical machine.

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of
the paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can become pretty
expensive, where other solutions (e.g. Proxmox) has an
advantage because of open source.

The other consideration is containers, which can be
thought of as VM-lite. Containers provide almost all of
the advantages of VMs with a significantly lighter load on
the hardware. As a result, you can load up more
applications on less hardware. The leading contender in
the container space is Kubernetes and it's also open source.

Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over
your requirements.


bp


On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I
know, I am only 15 years behind. Honestly, till now I
haven't had a compelling reason.

I want something that will at least do some monitoring
of VM's, backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading
would be great but not as big a priority for me (at
least I don't think so).

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the
experienced crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are
there others? Commercial support seems nice, is it
worth paying for? What I will run is important for sure.

I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now
than when

Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

Nice..
Ill have to give a spin on new host I got in a few days ago.


On 9/28/20 1:35 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
GUI.. not bad looking either.. at least the old one I ran from years 
ago.  I think it has some vmotion style things going on too now.


logo 
 
 
 
 


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*From: *"dave" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 2:33:14 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

I have never tried proxmox...
 What kind of hypervisor interface does it have?


On 9/27/20 9:39 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Proxmox for sure. I've used Proxmox for 10+ years and VMWare for
probably 8 years. I'm phasing out VMWare in favor of Proxmox.



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*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 

*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

*Sent: *Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:27:22 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Virtual machines

I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only
15 years behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling
reason.

I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's,
backups, snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not
as big a priority for me (at least I don't think so).

Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced
crowd.

It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there
others? Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for?
What I will run is important for sure.

I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I
started.



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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Josh Baird]

You can easily alert on failed disks in the PERC controllers.  You just
need to install Dell's OpenManage agent which makes these notifications
possible via integrated interfaces or SNMP, etc.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:38 PM dave  wrote:

> The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would alert or
> something to notify of a failing drive.
>
>
> On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a high level.
>
>
>
> -
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> 
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> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines
>
> I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and combines
> them into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster?
>
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated, shared
>> storage box.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines
>>
>> If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared
>> storage is very helpful.  When you want to reboot a physical machine for OS
>> upgrade and the VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them off
>> that box in a few seconds.   Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's
>> back.  No downtime.
>> On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look into
>> it. If anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes
>> discussing what we need I would appreciate it.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do. As it
>>> happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so
>>> it's a great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual
>>> machines on each physical machine.
>>>
>>> We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the paid-for
>>> bells and whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive, where other
>>> solutions (e.g. Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source.
>>>
>>> The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as
>>> VM-lite. Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs with a
>>> significantly lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up
>>> more applications on less hardware. The leading contender in the container
>>> space is Kubernetes and it's also open source.
>>>
>>> Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15
>>> years behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason.
>>>
>>> I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups,
>>> snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority
>>> for me (at least I don't think so).
>>>
>>> Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd.
>>>
>>> It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others?
>>> Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is
>>> important for sure.
>>>
>>> I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I
>>> started.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Mike Hammett]

That would be the job of the file system, in a world where you're using a 
sophisticated file system such as ZFS or CEPH. Drive controllers should be 
nearly passive devices in those cases. 




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- Original Message -

From: "dave"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:37:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 

The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would alert or 
something to notify of a failing drive. 




On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a high level. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 


I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and combines them 
into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster? 


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated, shared storage 
box. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines 


If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast shared storage is 
very helpful. When you want to reboot a physical machine for OS upgrade and the 
VM's are on shared storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few 
seconds. Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back. No downtime. 

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches. I'll look into it. If 
anyone really knows the space and wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing 
what we need I would appreciate it. 


On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you need to do. As it happens 
a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so it's a 
great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3 or 4 virtual machines on 
each physical machine. 
We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many of the paid-for bells and 
whistles. VMware can become pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g. 
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source. 
The other consideration is containers, which can be thought of as VM-lite. 
Containers provide almost all of the advantages of VMs with a significantly 
lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up more applications on 
less hardware. The leading contender in the container space is Kubernetes and 
it's also open source. 
Pick your poison with someone you know who can go over your requirements. 

bp
 
On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years 
behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason. 


I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups, 
snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority for 
me (at least I don't think so). 


Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd. 


It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others? Commercial 
support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is important for 
sure. 


I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I started. 






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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[dave]

I have not messed with the agent for the dells but Ill give it a look. 
Is it a bios Installed application?



On 9/28/20 1:40 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
You can easily alert on failed disks in the PERC controllers.  You 
just need to install Dell's OpenManage agent which makes these 
notifications possible via integrated interfaces or SNMP, etc.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:38 PM dave > wrote:


The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would
alert or something to notify of a failing drive.


On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a
high level.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 

*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and
combines them into one logical storage for use by the entire cluster?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a dedicated,
shared storage box.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast
shared storage is very helpful.  When you want to reboot a
physical machine for OS upgrade and the VM's are on shared
storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few
seconds.   Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back. 
No downtime.

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches.
I'll look into it. If anyone really knows the space and
wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing what we need
I would appreciate it.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s) you
need to do. As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g. DNS)
are not particularly compute intensive, so it's a
great way to stretch resources. We find we can run 3
or 4 virtual machines on each physical machine.

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many
of the paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can become
pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g.
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source.

The other consideration is containers, which can be
thought of as VM-lite. Containers provide almost all
of the advantages of VMs with a significantly lighter
load on the hardware. As a result, you can load up
more applications on less hardware. The leading
contender in the container space is Kubernetes and
it's also open source.

Pick your poison with someone you know who can go
over your requirements.


bp


On 9/27/2020 7:27 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I have decided I needed to get on the V

[AFMUG] Siklu EH2500-FX extendMM and 2nd ethernet port

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I am looking for confirmation on if a Siklu EH2500-FX can power a AF5XHD
from the 2nd ethernet port. I am getting mixed reports, someone on
facebook said they have a Netonix switch powering a 2500FX with the 48vh
option on the netonix with a AF5XHD on the 2nd ethernet port but baltic
support is telling me that Siklu is telling them that the AF5XHD is draws
too much power (I find that hard to believe at >13 watts for the Ubnt
radio) for the Siklu to be able to power it directly.
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Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[Adam Moffett]

Google "Dell Open manage Linux".  If you're using Proxmox VE then use 
the Debian packages.


-Adam


On 9/28/2020 2:57 PM, dave wrote:
I have not messed with the agent for the dells but Ill give it a look. 
Is it a bios Installed application?



On 9/28/20 1:40 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
You can easily alert on failed disks in the PERC controllers.  You 
just need to install Dell's OpenManage agent which makes these 
notifications possible via integrated interfaces or SNMP, etc.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 2:38 PM dave > wrote:


The only thing I hate On a host is the Percs I wish Dell would
alert or something to notify of a failing drive.


On 9/28/20 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not a CEPH exert, but that is my understanding of it at a
high level.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 

*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 8:05:35 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

I would assume CEPH takes the physical disks from each host and
combines them into one logical storage for use by the entire
cluster?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

CEPH kind of fills the void where you don't need a
dedicated, shared storage box.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, September 28, 2020 7:34:14 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

If you're going to have multiple physical VM hosts then fast
shared storage is very helpful.  When you want to reboot a
physical machine for OS upgrade and the VM's are on shared
storage then you can migrate them off that box in a few
seconds.   Do your maintenance, reboot, migrate VM's back.
No downtime.

On 9/27/2020 11:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Thanks guys. Proxmox didn't even come up in my searches.
I'll look into it. If anyone really knows the space and
wouldn't mind spending 15 minutes discussing what we
need I would appreciate it.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 10:21 AM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

VMs are a great way to go depending on the job(s)
you need to do. As it happens a lot of jobs (e.g.
DNS) are not particularly compute intensive, so it's
a great way to stretch resources. We find we can run
3 or 4 virtual machines on each physical machine.

We used VMware from the get-go, but did not get many
of the paid-for bells and whistles. VMware can
become pretty expensive, where other solutions (e.g.
Proxmox) has an advantage because of open source.

The other consideration is containers, which can be
thought of as VM-lite. Containers provide almost all
of the advantages of VMs with a significantly
lighter load on the hardware. As a result, you can
load up more applications on less hardware. The
leading contender in the container space is
Kubernetes and it's also open source.

Pick your poison with someone you know who can go
over your requirements.


b

Re: [AFMUG] Virtual machines

[TJ Trout]

Cli,web

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 11:34 AM dave  wrote:

> I have never tried proxmox...
>  What kind of hypervisor interface does it have?
>
>
> On 9/27/20 9:39 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Proxmox for sure. I've used Proxmox for 10+ years and VMWare for probably
> 8 years. I'm phasing out VMWare in favor of Proxmox.
>
>
>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:27:22 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Virtual machines
>
> I have decided I needed to get on the VM train. I know, I am only 15 years
> behind. Honestly, till now I haven't had a compelling reason.
>
> I want something that will at least do some monitoring of VM's, backups,
> snapshots, etc. Managed upgrading would be great but not as big a priority
> for me (at least I don't think so).
>
> Since I don't know what I don't know, I am asking the experienced crowd.
>
> It seems the two real choices are VMWare and Zen. Are there others?
> Commercial support seems nice, is it worth paying for? What I will run is
> important for sure.
>
> I spent a few hours last night and I more confused now than when I started.
>
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[AFMUG] campground WiFi "booster"

[Ken Hohhof]

Customers sometimes ask what is the best "WiFi booster" for their RV or
camper.  I assume they're talking about a range extender.  I'm generally not
a big fan of range extenders, but if you're sitting in a big aluminum can, I
guess you need something.  (I thought most campers these days were
fiberglass though.)

 

I have no clue what to tell them.  Anybody have an answer?

 

Doing a Google search, I see there are somewhat pricey devices from vendors
like Winegard that mount on the roof, run on 12VDC, and some can even take a
SIM card to use LTE if there is no WiFi available.  Or should they just get
a regular range extender and set it in a window powered from 110VAC?

 

I'm also going to assume that at a campground, the usual procedure of
pressing the WPS button doesn't apply, and you'd have to actually tell the
extender the WiFi password?

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Re: [AFMUG] campground WiFi "booster"

[Darin Steffl]

The perfect solution is to use a wifi client like a Loco M2 as a station.
Then wire it to your own AP inside the camper. That way it's not an
extender and doesn't cut throughput in half.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 10:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customers sometimes ask what is the best “WiFi booster” for their RV or
> camper.  I assume they’re talking about a range extender.  I’m generally
> not a big fan of range extenders, but if you’re sitting in a big aluminum
> can, I guess you need something.  (I thought most campers these days were
> fiberglass though.)
>
>
>
> I have no clue what to tell them.  Anybody have an answer?
>
>
>
> Doing a Google search, I see there are somewhat pricey devices from
> vendors like Winegard that mount on the roof, run on 12VDC, and some can
> even take a SIM card to use LTE if there is no WiFi available.  Or should
> they just get a regular range extender and set it in a window powered from
> 110VAC?
>
>
>
> I’m also going to assume that at a campground, the usual procedure of
> pressing the WPS button doesn’t apply, and you’d have to actually tell the
> extender the WiFi password?
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