Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

[Lewis Bergman]

Now that's funny.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:53 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> My boss has a guy the goes in front of him laying crisp new 100 dollar
> Bill's down for him to walk on so he doesnt sully his shoes walking in the
> same path poor people walk on, has a second guy that follows behind with a
> brush burner so those pesky poors dont pick the money up and exit their
> caste
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 9:36 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Because the IRS likes to tax that. I’d rather spend the vaults on the
>> network and my employees than keep it in the vault.
>>
>> That said - we do have a small war chest.
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I've often wondered how WISPs without competitors don't have Scrooge
>> McDuck vaults full of money.
>>
>> The last time I counted, my network touched over 20 other fixed wireless
>> service providers of one kind or another.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 24, 2020 8:05:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
>>
>> I’ve often thought if a competitor ever came into town - I won’t give up.
>>
>> That’s surrender. No, I’ll go to war. It’s invasion of my territory. May
>> the best man win.
>>
>> If need be I’ll offer free plans for the first year and free installs.
>>
>> I had a competitor come in once, 35 million USDA grant. Guns were
>> blazing. Made threats about they had enough money to advertise us out of
>> business.
>>
>> They are now bankrupt and not even a thought.
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:54 PM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Fight the Dying of the light .. Dont go out without a fight..
>>
>> All I gotta say is they may take away our spectrum and slap us with more
>> reporting and more fees but Bring dat shiz
>>
>> We got this.. All said and done who can outlast the brute fist of the
>> Gorilla.
>>
>> Ill get off my soap box now ... you cant stop the tanker in me LOL!
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/2020 11:17 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>
>> I have a couple theories about the selling market:
>>
>> 1.  There’s never been more cash floating around our industry.  It
>> provides options.  There is also a good chance that smaller WISPs are about
>> to be over built with government money...another strong inducement to make
>> your best deal.
>>
>> 2.  As an industry, we are about 20 years old.  If you started the
>> business in your 40s or 50s, you might be easy to retire.  If you started
>> it younger, you might be ready to cash out and go do something else.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I seem to remember this thread started with a post about buying, but
>> there seems to be a lot of interest in selling.  I wonder why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it because customers are getting on our nerves?  I know they’re
>> getting on mine.  Everyone is stuck in their house doing everything on the
>> Internet and whining about it and waiting until the last minute and then
>> needing stuff right now this minute because we’re
>> streaming/gaming/Zooming/eLearning/teleworking here.  Plus doing
>> construction on our house and the contractors are here right now taking
>> your dish off the roof or putting siding nails through your cable.  Or
>> they’re buying/selling houses because interest rates are like zero or to
>> move away from the virus or to a different school district.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
>>
>>
>>
>> I know it *CAN* be anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm asking what it is for successful, arms-length, nothing special
>> transactions. I do expect there to be a range.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

[Lewis Bergman]

Don't forget about the few million dollars in upgrades every year. That
takes a pretty big chunk of it.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:36 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Because the IRS likes to tax that. I’d rather spend the vaults on the
> network and my employees than keep it in the vault.
>
> That said - we do have a small war chest.
>
> On Aug 24, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> 
> I've often wondered how WISPs without competitors don't have Scrooge
> McDuck vaults full of money.
>
> The last time I counted, my network touched over 20 other fixed wireless
> service providers of one kind or another.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, August 24, 2020 8:05:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
>
> I’ve often thought if a competitor ever came into town - I won’t give up.
>
> That’s surrender. No, I’ll go to war. It’s invasion of my territory. May
> the best man win.
>
> If need be I’ll offer free plans for the first year and free installs.
>
> I had a competitor come in once, 35 million USDA grant. Guns were blazing.
> Made threats about they had enough money to advertise us out of business.
>
> They are now bankrupt and not even a thought.
>
> On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:54 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Fight the Dying of the light .. Dont go out without a fight..
>
> All I gotta say is they may take away our spectrum and slap us with more
> reporting and more fees but Bring dat shiz
>
> We got this.. All said and done who can outlast the brute fist of the
> Gorilla.
>
> Ill get off my soap box now ... you cant stop the tanker in me LOL!
>
>
> On 8/23/2020 11:17 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>
> I have a couple theories about the selling market:
>
> 1.  There’s never been more cash floating around our industry.  It
> provides options.  There is also a good chance that smaller WISPs are about
> to be over built with government money...another strong inducement to make
> your best deal.
>
> 2.  As an industry, we are about 20 years old.  If you started the
> business in your 40s or 50s, you might be easy to retire.  If you started
> it younger, you might be ready to cash out and go do something else.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof 
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I seem to remember this thread started with a post about buying, but there
> seems to be a lot of interest in selling.  I wonder why.
>
>
>
> Is it because customers are getting on our nerves?  I know they’re getting
> on mine.  Everyone is stuck in their house doing everything on the Internet
> and whining about it and waiting until the last minute and then needing
> stuff right now this minute because we’re
> streaming/gaming/Zooming/eLearning/teleworking here.  Plus doing
> construction on our house and the contractors are here right now taking
> your dish off the roof or putting siding nails through your cable.  Or
> they’re buying/selling houses because interest rates are like zero or to
> move away from the virus or to a different school district.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
>
>
>
> I know it *CAN* be anything.
>
>
>
> I'm asking what it is for successful, arms-length, nothing special
> transactions. I do expect there to be a range.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:28:58 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Six hours? I am not laughing...

[Lewis Bergman]

So many funny things. I am so happy to be a part of this group...most of
the time.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 6:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Lol..
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 5:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Maybe she will be an Olympic gymnast.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: A person standing in front of a crowd Description automatically
>> generated]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 5:53 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Six hours? I am not laughing...
>>
>>
>>
>> One room school house.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2020 3:41 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Six hours? I am not laughing...
>>
>>
>>
>> My granddaughter Juju is not a happy First Grader...she wants my daughter
>> to be her teacher and not the online one!! When I saw the picture, it took
>> me back to her mother's school days!! That look!
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[AFMUG] UBNT sfp+

[chuck]

Are UBNT switches fussy about SFPs?  I got a couple of generic 10G units from 
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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT sfp+

[Adam Moffett]

I used FS in our ubnt switches.  I don't have a lot of them, but didn't 
have a problem.


On 8/25/2020 10:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Are UBNT switches fussy about SFPs?  I got a couple of generic 10G 
units from FS but the switches are not talking to each other.  Have 
not checked the fiber yet but thought I would ask this first.


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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT sfp+

[Nate Burke]

I use FS 10g optics all the time in UBNT Edgepoints, no problems. In 
rare occurrences, I've had auto negotiation issues.  But between Tik CCR 
and Edgepoints, they've always just worked.


On 8/25/2020 9:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I used FS in our ubnt switches.  I don't have a lot of them, but 
didn't have a problem.


On 8/25/2020 10:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Are UBNT switches fussy about SFPs?  I got a couple of generic 10G 
units from FS but the switches are not talking to each other.  Have 
not checked the fiber yet but thought I would ask this first.







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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT sfp+

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
I would just force the interfaces on both ends to be 10G full duplex
(no auto negotiation).

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Owner
  / Network
  Architect
  email:
  jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity
  Networks LLC / Celerity
Broadband LLC
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On 8/25/20 8:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Are UBNT switches fussy about SFPs?  I got a couple of
generic 10G units from FS but the switches are not talking
to each other.  Have not checked the fiber yet but thought I
would ask this first.  

  
  
  


  

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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT sfp+

[chuck]

Not sure we have done any configuration of either end.  Just plugged in the 
fiber and no lights.  

From: Jesse DuPont 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; ch...@wbmfg.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT sfp+

I would just force the interfaces on both ends to be 10G full duplex (no auto 
negotiation).

 
Jesse DuPont

Owner / Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 8/25/20 8:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Are UBNT switches fussy about SFPs?  I got a couple of generic 10G units from 
FS but the switches are not talking to each other.  Have not checked the fiber 
yet but thought I would ask this first.  

   

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[AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

[cgray]

What are the standard solutions for providing customer backup power when
running an ONT and Router? 

 

CyberPower has a whole range of 12V and 48V DC units
(https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/telecom/indoor/), but it seems
they are usually intended to provide power to only one device. How are these
(or other examples) usually installed to provide power to both an ONT and
Router?

 

Older Calix documentation shows how to get backup power from one of these
CyberPower DC UPSs, but doesn't indicate how the ONT is powered. 

 

I'm specifically looking for something better than a standard consumer AC
UPS. I'm generally looking for a good integrated solution that could also be
modified for WISP installations.

 

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[AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.

I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but not 
sure I will find it.  

So far this is the list:
Electric drill
Bell hangers bit.  .250”
Glow rods
Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
Fish tape

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Re: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

[chuck]

They are expensive but you can’t beat Cyberpower.  
If you use an 844G then it is ont/router/wifi all in one.  

From: cg...@graytechsoftware.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 11:34 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

What are the standard solutions for providing customer backup power when 
running an ONT and Router? 

 

CyberPower has a whole range of 12V and 48V DC units 
(https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/telecom/indoor/), but it seems they 
are usually intended to provide power to only one device. How are these (or 
other examples) usually installed to provide power to both an ONT and Router?

 

Older Calix documentation shows how to get backup power from one of these 
CyberPower DC UPSs, but doesn’t indicate how the ONT is powered. 

 

I’m specifically looking for something better than a standard consumer AC UPS. 
I’m generally looking for a good integrated solution that could also be 
modified for WISP installations.

 

Thank you - Chris




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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Darin Steffl]

Off topic but do you have a website for your new company yet? Curious of
your plan speeds and pricing.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:

> Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
> Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.
>
> I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but
> not sure I will find it.
>
> So far this is the list:
> Electric drill
> Bell hangers bit.  .250”
> Glow rods
> Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
> Fish tape
>
> What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Adam Moffett]

Drill, Impact gun, and angle grinder which all use the same batteries
    (angle grinder might seem dumb, but I end up using it regularly for 
cutting or shaping almost anything.  It's a universal saw and lock opener)

2 drill batteries
charger which can plug into van (one battery lives on charger, the other 
lives in the tool, swap as needed)

Long 5/16 bit, long 1/4 bit.  Long masonry bit.
A drillbit index for the drill
A driver bit kit for the impact gun

I always have my standard toolbox:
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a 
different size on each end of the wrench)

Several types of pliers (linesman, needlenose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors

Also:
Electrical tape (at least black and white, I usually also have red and 
green)

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Caulk
I do have a stapler, but I use screw-in anchors more often

You're doing fiber eh?
That means wipes
alcohol
one click cleaners for both common ferrule sizes
a simple VFL

If you're doing phone for or ethernet wiring in the house then you need 
the crimpers for that, and maybe a punchdown tool.



On 8/25/2020 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.
I used to have a nice tool list for installers. Searching my archives 
but not sure I will find it.

So far this is the list:
Electric drill
Bell hangers bit.  .250”
Glow rods
Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
Fish tape
What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

I do, but it is not live.  I don’t want to attract customers.  We have more on 
our plate right now than we can install.  
100, 500, 1G
$69.69, $99.95, $149.95
$500 install

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

Off topic but do you have a website for your new company yet? Curious of your 
plan speeds and pricing.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM  wrote:

  Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
  Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.

  I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but 
not sure I will find it.  

  So far this is the list:
  Electric drill
  Bell hangers bit.  .250”
  Glow rods
  Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
  Fish tape

  What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

Good list, thanks.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:28 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list


Drill, Impact gun, and angle grinder which all use the same batteries
(angle grinder might seem dumb, but I end up using it regularly for cutting 
or shaping almost anything.  It's a universal saw and lock opener)
2 drill batteries
charger which can plug into van (one battery lives on charger, the other lives 
in the tool, swap as needed)
Long 5/16 bit, long 1/4 bit.  Long masonry bit.
A drillbit index for the drill
A driver bit kit for the impact gun

I always have my standard toolbox:
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different size 
on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needlenose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors

Also:
Electrical tape (at least black and white, I usually also have red and green)
Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Caulk
I do have a stapler, but I use screw-in anchors more often

You're doing fiber eh?
That means wipes
alcohol
one click cleaners for both common ferrule sizes
a simple VFL

If you're doing phone for or ethernet wiring in the house then you need the 
crimpers for that, and maybe a punchdown tool.




On 8/25/2020 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
  Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.

  I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but 
not sure I will find it.  

  So far this is the list:
  Electric drill
  Bell hangers bit.  .250”
  Glow rods
  Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
  Fish tape

  What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?

   



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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

This is how it currently looks now:

Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors



Installer’s Truck  - MEL

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V 

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL



Optional but recommended

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different size 
on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

[Mike Hammett]

Run an ONT with an integrated router on a battery backup? Several models I've 
bought check these boxes. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

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From: cg...@graytechsoftware.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:34:21 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router? 



What are the standard solutions for providing customer backup power when 
running an ONT and Router? 

CyberPower has a whole range of 12V and 48V DC units ( 
https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/telecom/indoor/ ), but it seems they 
are usually intended to provide power to only one device. How are these (or 
other examples) usually installed to provide power to both an ONT and Router? 

Older Calix documentation shows how to get backup power from one of these 
CyberPower DC UPSs, but doesn’t indicate how the ONT is powered. 

I’m specifically looking for something better than a standard consumer AC UPS. 
I’m generally looking for a good integrated solution that could also be 
modified for WISP installations. 

Thank you - Chris 
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

5’ step ladder

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

This is how it currently looks now:

Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors



Installer’s Truck  - MEL

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V 

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL



Optional but recommended

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different size 
on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Lewis Bergman]

Where do you buy those booger picks?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM  wrote:

> 5’ step ladder
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
>
> This is how it currently looks now:
>
>
> *Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt*
>
> Electric drill
>
> Phillips bit for drill
>
> Bell hangers bit.  .250”
>
> Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
>
> Markers
> Zip tie labels
> Zip ties
> Screw-in anchors
>
> *Installer’s Truck  - MEL*
>
> 2 Batteries
>
> Charger that can plug into 12V
>
> Arrow T-18 Staples
>
> Glow rods
>
> Long flex bit
>
> Alcohol
> One click cleaners for SC/APC
> #6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws
>
> Duct Cutter
>
> VFL
>
> *Optional but recommended*
>
> Fish tape
>
> Caulk
> Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
> Micro screwdrivers
> Standard screwdrivers
> Mini socket set with common sizes
> open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different
> size on each end of the wrench)
> Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
> Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
> Hammer
> Crescent wrench
> Vise Grips
> Pipe wrench
> Micro screwdrivers
> Spudger/booger pick
> Wire brush
> Utility knife with blades
> Electrician scissors
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Chris Fabien]

Takes a 1/2" bit to pass a pre-terminated SC connector, unless you are
using the type where you put on the connector shell later.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:14 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Where do you buy those booger picks?
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM  wrote:
>
>> 5’ step ladder
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
>>
>> This is how it currently looks now:
>>
>>
>> *Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt*
>>
>> Electric drill
>>
>> Phillips bit for drill
>>
>> Bell hangers bit.  .250”
>>
>> Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
>>
>> Markers
>> Zip tie labels
>> Zip ties
>> Screw-in anchors
>>
>> *Installer’s Truck  - MEL*
>>
>> 2 Batteries
>>
>> Charger that can plug into 12V
>>
>> Arrow T-18 Staples
>>
>> Glow rods
>>
>> Long flex bit
>>
>> Alcohol
>> One click cleaners for SC/APC
>> #6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws
>>
>> Duct Cutter
>>
>> VFL
>>
>> *Optional but recommended*
>>
>> Fish tape
>>
>> Caulk
>> Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
>> Micro screwdrivers
>> Standard screwdrivers
>> Mini socket set with common sizes
>> open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a
>> different size on each end of the wrench)
>> Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
>> Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
>> Hammer
>> Crescent wrench
>> Vise Grips
>> Pipe wrench
>> Micro screwdrivers
>> Spudger/booger pick
>> Wire brush
>> Utility knife with blades
>> Electrician scissors
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

I am doing the one they call the “ballistic connector”.  Pretty tiny, almost as 
small as the cable.  

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 2:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

Takes a 1/2" bit to pass a pre-terminated SC connector, unless you are using 
the type where you put on the connector shell later.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:14 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  Where do you buy those booger picks?

  On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM  wrote:

5’ step ladder

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

This is how it currently looks now:

Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors



Installer’s Truck  - MEL

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V 

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL



Optional but recommended

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different 
size on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

[cgray]

I’m not using Calix in this context, it was just the only documentation I had 
found regarding the CyberPower hookups.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 1:55 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

 

They are expensive but you can’t beat Cyberpower.  

If you use an 844G then it is ont/router/wifi all in one.  

 

From: cg...@graytechsoftware.com   

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 11:34 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

 

What are the standard solutions for providing customer backup power when 
running an ONT and Router? 

 

CyberPower has a whole range of 12V and 48V DC units 
(https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/telecom/indoor/), but it seems they 
are usually intended to provide power to only one device. How are these (or 
other examples) usually installed to provide power to both an ONT and Router?

 

Older Calix documentation shows how to get backup power from one of these 
CyberPower DC UPSs, but doesn’t indicate how the ONT is powered. 

 

I’m specifically looking for something better than a standard consumer AC UPS. 
I’m generally looking for a good integrated solution that could also be 
modified for WISP installations.

 

Thank you - Chris

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Re: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

[cgray]

I do recognize the integrated units only need one source of power; but in the 
circumstance where the ONT and Router are not integrated, what are those sorts 
of operators offering for backup power options?

 

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 2:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

 

Run an ONT with an integrated router on a battery backup? Several models I've 
bought check these boxes.



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From: cg...@graytechsoftware.com  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:34:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

What are the standard solutions for providing customer backup power when 
running an ONT and Router? 

 

CyberPower has a whole range of 12V and 48V DC units 
(https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/telecom/indoor/), but it seems they 
are usually intended to provide power to only one device. How are these (or 
other examples) usually installed to provide power to both an ONT and Router?

 

Older Calix documentation shows how to get backup power from one of these 
CyberPower DC UPSs, but doesn’t indicate how the ONT is powered. 

 

I’m specifically looking for something better than a standard consumer AC UPS. 
I’m generally looking for a good integrated solution that could also be 
modified for WISP installations.

 

Thank you - Chris


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[AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[Ken Hohhof]

If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that mean?  Do they
mean rebuffering?

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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[Nate Burke]

Do they mean clocking?

Cooking?  Like it's really hot
Clicking?  Like it's making a sound
Clucking? They should throw the chicken back outside.

On 8/25/2020 5:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that mean?  
Do they mean rebuffering?






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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

PowerLink 😊  24v to 48v converter cable, and if you use cambium a cambum cable.


[LTI-Full_175px]
Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.

I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but not 
sure I will find it.

So far this is the list:
Electric drill
Bell hangers bit.  .250”
Glow rods
Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
Fish tape

What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Wife knocked it out of the park

[Seth Mattinen]

There should be an AFMUG cookbook.

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Ken Hohhof]

Never heard them called that, but I assume that’s the same as a spudger.  Keep 
it with your dikes and your butt set.

https://www.sandman.com/secret.html

 

I’ve always had punch tools both 66 and 110, but never carried a spudger.  When 
removing wires from punch blocks, I just yanked them, or used needle nose.

 

It appears there is even a website spudgers.com which sells spudgers and claims 
they are cellphone repair tools.  Which is B.S. because spudgers were around 
long before cellphones existed.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 2:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

 

Where do you buy those booger picks?

 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

5’ step ladder

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

 

This is how it currently looks now:

 

Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors

Installer’s Truck  - MEL

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V 

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL

Optional but recommended

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different size 
on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[TJ Trout]

For fiber installs?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 3:27 PM Dennis Burgess via AF  wrote:

> PowerLink 😊  24v to 48v converter cable, and if you use cambium a cambum
> cable.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:50 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer tool list
>
>
>
> Starting to do customer installs on my new FTTH company.
>
> Going with the pre-terminated miniflex/tufflex type of cables.
>
>
>
> I used to have a nice tool list for installers.  Searching my archives but
> not sure I will find it.
>
>
>
> So far this is the list:
>
> Electric drill
>
> Bell hangers bit.  .250”
>
> Glow rods
>
> Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
>
> Fish tape
>
>
>
> What else should I include in a standard installer’s toolbag?
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Chuck McCown]

Back when I installed 1A2 key telephones, each extension had a 25 pair line 
cord.  So I had to run 25 pair to an amphenol connector block each time.  Took 
some skill to punch down 50 wires and leave slack for maintenance and make it 
look pretty.  I used a spudger to make it look perfect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Never heard them called that, but I assume that’s the same as a spudger.  
> Keep it with your dikes and your butt set.
> https://www.sandman.com/secret.html
>  
> I’ve always had punch tools both 66 and 110, but never carried a spudger.  
> When removing wires from punch blocks, I just yanked them, or used needle 
> nose.
>  
> It appears there is even a website spudgers.com which sells spudgers and 
> claims they are cellphone repair tools.  Which is B.S. because spudgers were 
> around long before cellphones existed.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 2:14 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
>  
> Where do you buy those booger picks?
>  
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM  wrote:
> 5’ step ladder
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
>  
> This is how it currently looks now:
>  
> Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt
> Electric drill
> Phillips bit for drill
> Bell hangers bit.  .250”
> Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
> Markers
> Zip tie labels
> Zip ties
> Screw-in anchors
> 
> Installer’s Truck  - MEL
> 2 Batteries
> Charger that can plug into 12V
> Arrow T-18 Staples
> Glow rods
> Long flex bit
> Alcohol
> One click cleaners for SC/APC
> #6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws
> Duct Cutter
> VFL
> 
> Optional but recommended
> Fish tape
> Caulk
> Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
> Micro screwdrivers
> Standard screwdrivers
> Mini socket set with common sizes
> open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different 
> size on each end of the wrench)
> Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
> Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
> Hammer
> Crescent wrench
> Vise Grips
> Pipe wrench
> Micro screwdrivers
> Spudger/booger pick
> Wire brush
> Utility knife with blades
> Electrician scissors
> 
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Wife knocked it out of the park

[Steve Jones]

ive been looking for pho

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> There should be an AFMUG cookbook.
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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[Steve Utick]

Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins when
it's buffering.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that mean?  Do
> they mean rebuffering?
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