Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
On 15 October 2019, the U.S. Federal Communications 
Commission 
submitted filings to the International Telecommunication 
Union on 
SpaceX's behalf to arrange spectrum for 30,000 additional Starlink satellites 
to supplement the 12,000 Starlink satellites already approved by the 
FCC.[18]

So 42,000 total birds… so 28M potential customers…

28M * $70 = $1,960,000,000 MRR not to shabby


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From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find a half 
million hard to serve locations around the globe without breaking a sweat.
So the low hanging fruit are not our customers.

From: dave
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

Just install 40k of micropops :)

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On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones that 
popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to support 
~~ 40,000 subscribers.

That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting about half a 
million subscribers (~~ 533,000).

In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about 1500 satellites.

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Chuck McCown 
Still, easy to find 28m hard to serve locations world wide without coming after 
our customers.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15 October 2019, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission submitted 
> filings to the International Telecommunication Union on SpaceX's behalf to 
> arrange spectrum for 30,000 additional Starlink satellites to supplement the 
> 12,000 Starlink satellites already approved by the FCC.[18]
>  
> So 42,000 total birds… so 28M potential customers…
>  
> 28M * $70 = $1,960,000,000 MRR not to shabby
>  
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
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> 
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> 
> From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
> Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM
> To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>  
> The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find a half 
> million hard to serve locations around the globe without breaking a sweat.
> So the low hanging fruit are not our customers. 
>  
> From: dave
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>  
> Just install 40k of micropops :)
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones 
> that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to 
> support ~~ 40,000 subscribers. 
> 
> That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting about half 
> a million subscribers (~~ 533,000). 
> 
> In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about 1500 
> satellites. 
> 
> https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Darin Steffl 
This just goes to show that starlink will not be killing any major
providers like Comcast, spectrum, etc. I see idiots tweeting like they're
going to replace their Gig Comcast account with starlink for less money and
I laugh at them.

Elon has himself said starlink is targeting the 3-4% hardest to reach homes
with poor broadband choices. He is not going after metros that already have
cable and fiber. His target market is people with only satellite or poor
dsl as options.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:01 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Still, easy to find 28m hard to serve locations world wide without coming
> after our customers.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> 
>
> On 15 October 2019, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission
>  submitted
> filings to the International Telecommunication Union
>  on
> SpaceX's behalf to arrange spectrum for 30,000 additional Starlink
> satellites to supplement the 12,000 Starlink satellites already approved by
> the FCC.[18] 
>
>
>
> So 42,000 total birds… so 28M potential customers…
>
>
>
> 28M * $70 = $1,960,000,000 MRR not to shabby
>
>
>
> *Gino*
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> *Date: *Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM
> *To: *"af@af.afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
>
>
> The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find a half
> million hard to serve locations around the globe without breaking a sweat.
>
> So the low hanging fruit are not our customers.
>
>
>
> *From:* dave
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
>
>
> Just install 40k of micropops :)
>
>
> 
>
> On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones
> that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to
> support ~~ 40,000 subscribers.
>
> That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting about
> half a million subscribers (~~ 533,000).
>
> In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about 1500
> satellites.
>
>
> https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Josh Luthman 
No because then you can't say "prices starting at".  In my case I'm
weighted in the middle - people love picking the middle plan.  It doesn't
matter about speeds at all (they don't know) but the dollars are
something they're cautious of.

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:17 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70. Or
> at least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70. That
> way it's almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for only
> $10 more!!!
>
> I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fewer
> customers. I don't think it's about the highest market share, but rather
> highest profit. We've been working on raising our ARPU for the wisp and
> we're over $82 right now. Yes we lose a handful of customers from price
> increases but we overall make more money since most don't cancel. Our
> customer count has increased every month since we started in 2012. Back
> then our arpu was about $54 and it's increased to $82 now. I've talked to
> wisps that are even higher in the triple digits.
>
> Any business not raising their prices when demand is this strong is
> leaving money on the table. This is totally dependent on competition I
> understand. For us, we try to be the most reliable with the best customer
> service. This allows us to sell a premium priced service compared to dsl
> and other wisps. Word of mouth from our existing customers drives our
> sales.
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights?
>>
>>
>> Yep, exactly.   And that’s all it is really.
>>
>>
>> Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game
>> comes out.  But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some people
>> do 24x7.
>>
>>
>> Once in a blue moon somebody manages to peg it out long enough to show up
>> on a 5 minute average.
>>
>> I found this interesting in that statistics:
>>
>> We offer 100Mb, 250Mb and GigE plans at $49.95, $59.95, and $79.95
>>
>> Of those plans 41% take the 100Mb plan, 38% select 250Mb, and 20% take
>> the Gigabit plan.
>>
>> The  typical distribution would be that the middle plan having the
>> highest percentage - and it doesn't.   To me that says that customers are
>> seeing value and plenty of speed at 100Mb.   A few guy who need bragging
>> rights take the Gigabit plan.   We thank them for the contribution to the
>> retirement fund.
>>
>> Mark
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Robert 
I think it will be really interesting to see what the price they roll 
out with..


On 7/16/20 7:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Still, easy to find 28m hard to serve locations world wide without 
coming after our customers.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:



On 15 October 2019, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission 
 submitted 
filings to the International Telecommunication Union 
 on 
SpaceX's behalf to arrange spectrum for 30,000 additional Starlink 
satellites to supplement the 12,000 Starlink satellites already 
approved by the FCC.^[18] 



So 42,000 total birds… so 28M potential customers…

28M * $70 = $1,960,000,000 MRR not to shabby

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*Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Date: *Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM
*To: *"af@af.afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find a 
half million hard to serve locations around the globe without 
breaking a sweat.


So the low hanging fruit are not our customers.

*From:*dave

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

Just install 40k of micropops :)




On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of
the ones that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink
satellites is expected to support ~~ 40,000 subscribers.

That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at
supporting about half a million subscribers (~~ 533,000).

In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about
1500 satellites.


https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Robert 
Two weeks ago I was visiting Salmon River areas in Idaho that I asked 
about what they would pay for service to replace 1meg dsl and the 
responses averaged in the $100/month range for 20mb/s much less 100 mb/s


On 7/16/20 7:06 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
This just goes to show that starlink will not be killing any major 
providers like Comcast, spectrum, etc. I see idiots tweeting like 
they're going to replace their Gig Comcast account with starlink for 
less money and I laugh at them.


Elon has himself said starlink is targeting the 3-4% hardest to reach 
homes with poor broadband choices. He is not going after metros that 
already have cable and fiber. His target market is people with only 
satellite or poor dsl as options.


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:01 AM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Still, easy to find 28m hard to serve locations world wide without
coming after our customers.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:



On 15 October 2019, the U.S. Federal Communications Commission
 submitted
filings to the International Telecommunication Union
 on
SpaceX's behalf to arrange spectrum for 30,000 additional
Starlink satellites to supplement the 12,000 Starlink satellites
already approved by the FCC.^[18]


So 42,000 total birds… so 28M potential customers…

28M * $70 = $1,960,000,000 MRR not to shabby

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*Date: *Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM
*To: *"af@af.afmug.com " mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find
a half million hard to serve locations around the globe without
breaking a sweat.

So the low hanging fruit are not our customers.

*From:*dave

*Sent:*Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

Just install 40k of micropops :)




On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

There are some details in this story that were new to me. One
of the ones that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink
satellites is expected to support ~~ 40,000 subscribers.

That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at
supporting about half a million subscribers (~~ 533,000).

In order to support a million subscribers, they will need
about 1500 satellites.


https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread chuck 
I wish I could find that study of drive through car wash purchasing patterns.  
It does seem that people like choosing one up from the bottom.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

No because then you can't say "prices starting at".  In my case I'm weighted in 
the middle - people love picking the middle plan.  It doesn't matter about 
speeds at all (they don't know) but the dollars are something they're cautious 
of.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:17 AM Darin Steffl  wrote:

  Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70. Or at 
least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70. That way it's 
almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for only $10 more!!!  

  I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fewer 
customers. I don't think it's about the highest market share, but rather 
highest profit. We've been working on raising our ARPU for the wisp and we're 
over $82 right now. Yes we lose a handful of customers from price increases but 
we overall make more money since most don't cancel. Our customer count has 
increased every month since we started in 2012. Back then our arpu was about 
$54 and it's increased to $82 now. I've talked to wisps that are even higher in 
the triple digits. 

  Any business not raising their prices when demand is this strong is leaving 
money on the table. This is totally dependent on competition I understand. For 
us, we try to be the most reliable with the best customer service. This allows 
us to sell a premium priced service compared to dsl and other wisps. Word of 
mouth from our existing customers drives our sales. 

  On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:




  On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights?

Yep, exactly.   And that’s all it is really.



  Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game 
comes out.  But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some people do 
24x7.

Once in a blue moon somebody manages to peg it out long enough to show up 
on a 5 minute average.

I found this interesting in that statistics:

We offer 100Mb, 250Mb and GigE plans at $49.95, $59.95, and $79.95

Of those plans 41% take the 100Mb plan, 38% select 250Mb, and 20% take the 
Gigabit plan.

The  typical distribution would be that the middle plan having the highest 
percentage - and it doesn't.   To me that says that customers are seeing value 
and plenty of speed at 100Mb.   A few guy who need bragging rights take the 
Gigabit plan.   We thank them for the contribution to the retirement fund.


Mark

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Mathew Howard 
I would bet that a huge majority choose one up from the bottom in drive
through car washes.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:00 AM  wrote:

> I wish I could find that study of drive through car wash purchasing
> patterns.  It does seem that people like choosing one up from the bottom.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:21 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
> No because then you can't say "prices starting at".  In my case I'm
> weighted in the middle - people love picking the middle plan.  It doesn't
> matter about speeds at all (they don't know) but the dollars are something
> they're cautious of.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:17 AM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70.
>> Or at least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70.
>> That way it's almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for
>> only $10 more!!!
>>
>> I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fewer
>> customers. I don't think it's about the highest market share, but rather
>> highest profit. We've been working on raising our ARPU for the wisp and
>> we're over $82 right now. Yes we lose a handful of customers from price
>> increases but we overall make more money since most don't cancel. Our
>> customer count has increased every month since we started in 2012. Back
>> then our arpu was about $54 and it's increased to $82 now. I've talked to
>> wisps that are even higher in the triple digits.
>>
>> Any business not raising their prices when demand is this strong is
>> leaving money on the table. This is totally dependent on competition I
>> understand. For us, we try to be the most reliable with the best customer
>> service. This allows us to sell a premium priced service compared to dsl
>> and other wisps. Word of mouth from our existing customers drives our
>> sales.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, exactly.   And that’s all it is really.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic
>>> game comes out.  But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some
>>> people do 24x7.
>>>
>>>
>>> Once in a blue moon somebody manages to peg it out long enough to show
>>> up on a 5 minute average.
>>>
>>> I found this interesting in that statistics:
>>>
>>> We offer 100Mb, 250Mb and GigE plans at $49.95, $59.95, and $79.95
>>>
>>> Of those plans 41% take the 100Mb plan, 38% select 250Mb, and 20% take
>>> the Gigabit plan.
>>>
>>> The  typical distribution would be that the middle plan having the
>>> highest percentage - and it doesn't.   To me that says that customers are
>>> seeing value and plenty of speed at 100Mb.   A few guy who need bragging
>>> rights take the Gigabit plan.   We thank them for the contribution to the
>>> retirement fund.
>>>
>>> Mark
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Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

2020-07-16 Thread justsumname 
yeah wow that dude was a dick and not very bright

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM  wrote:

> The moral of the story is to be slow to hire and quick to fire.
> Life is too short to put with a PITA employee.
> And in the end you may be doing them a favor by firing them.
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
>
>
> Come on now Chuck.  This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a
> bunch of extra keys.  He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key
> after he used that truck.  They should be disposable.  How can you expect
> anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them with
> disposable keys and their choice of anywhere on your property to park?
>
>
>
> (sarcasm off now.  In case it wasn’t painfully obvious that it was on…..)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 2:29 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age
>
>
>
> People...I hate them.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM  wrote:
>
> This is what I do now every time we fire someone.
>
>
>
> They always apply for benefits it seems.  There is always a hearing.
>
> We win the hearings but it is a PITA...
>
>
>
> After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it.  It
> has been years since I lost my cool like that.  They were all seemingly
> delighted that the guy is now gone.
>
> In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100,
> only 1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards.  The guy was
> following along with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not
> stand up to him.  He truly did not deserve to lose his job.  All the rest
> of them I typically say to myself afterwards: “should have done this long
> ago”.
>
>
>
> Also, batting  for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a
> permanent change of behavior.  I guess we do them for evidence in the
> certain to be unemployment benefits hearing...
>
>
>
> (BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a
> couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made).
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM
>
> *To:*
>
> *Subject:* xxx
>
>
>
> Put this in xxx personnel file.
>
>
>
> Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx.
> He did not put the key back in the key box.  It is the only key we had for
> that truck and that truck is a critical vehicle.
>
>
>
> This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot
> working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive
> the red truck.  They indicated it was xxx.  I asked where the key was, he
> was very non committal.  Essentially shrugging his shoulders.  I told him
> that it must be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that
> route and look for it.  Nope, he said, he went and did some other things
> after parking the truck.  I asked him if he went to those other areas and
> looked for the key. Nope...  Didn’t seem to care.  Had a defiant attitude.
>
>
>
> So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always
> happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”.  That was met with no
> response.
>
> I repeated it a second and third time.  I started laughing and turned to
> his supervisor.  His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those
> words to Chuck”.  xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately
> followed it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the
> orange drums against my truck”.
>
>
>
> xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked
> him to park out with the other employees.  He then parked in our loading
> dock blocking us from using it.  We had a talk about that.  He finally
> parked with the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing
> everyone to swing wide around his truck and preventing us from taking
> larger trucks in that parking lot.  I put up some orange construction
> barrels to block off the area where I didn’t want any one to park.  That
> was OK for a day or two but then I came to work and the barrels were in the
> dirt and xxx had parked on the far end again.
>
>
>
> I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his
> supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a
> no park area.
>
>
>
> So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology
> I lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I
> wanted.  That in the future he could leave his truck at home and catch a
> ride with someone else.  I also said that he may have just lost his job.
>
>
>
> I came back to the office to cool off.  Called a manager (xxx at 10:20 am)
> t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread James Howard 
Or one down from the top (especially when there are only 3 choices).

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

I would bet that a huge majority choose one up from the bottom in drive through 
car washes.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:00 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
I wish I could find that study of drive through car wash purchasing patterns.  
It does seem that people like choosing one up from the bottom.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

No because then you can't say "prices starting at".  In my case I'm weighted in 
the middle - people love picking the middle plan.  It doesn't matter about 
speeds at all (they don't know) but the dollars are something they're cautious 
of.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:17 AM Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70. Or at 
least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70. That way it's 
almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for only $10 more!!!

I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fewer customers. 
I don't think it's about the highest market share, but rather highest profit. 
We've been working on raising our ARPU for the wisp and we're over $82 right 
now. Yes we lose a handful of customers from price increases but we overall 
make more money since most don't cancel. Our customer count has increased every 
month since we started in 2012. Back then our arpu was about $54 and it's 
increased to $82 now. I've talked to wisps that are even higher in the triple 
digits.

Any business not raising their prices when demand is this strong is leaving 
money on the table. This is totally dependent on competition I understand. For 
us, we try to be the most reliable with the best customer service. This allows 
us to sell a premium priced service compared to dsl and other wisps. Word of 
mouth from our existing customers drives our sales.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 PM Mark Radabaugh 
mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:



On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights?

Yep, exactly.   And that’s all it is really.



Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game comes 
out.  But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some people do 24x7.

Once in a blue moon somebody manages to peg it out long enough to show up on a 
5 minute average.

I found this interesting in that statistics:

We offer 100Mb, 250Mb and GigE plans at $49.95, $59.95, and $79.95

Of those plans 41% take the 100Mb plan, 38% select 250Mb, and 20% take the 
Gigabit plan.

The  typical distribution would be that the middle plan having the highest 
percentage - and it doesn't.   To me that says that customers are seeing value 
and plenty of speed at 100Mb.   A few guy who need bragging rights take the 
Gigabit plan.   We thank them for the contribution to the retirement fund.

Mark

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Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

2020-07-16 Thread chuck 
As predicted less than 48 hours between firing and unemployment claim.  
So, had my statement and other evidence loaded and ready to fire.  

From: justsumname 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 11:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

yeah wow that dude was a dick and not very bright

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:08 PM  wrote:

  The moral of the story is to be slow to hire and quick to fire.
  Life is too short to put with a PITA employee.  
  And in the end you may be doing them a favor by firing them.  

  From: James Howard 
  Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:41 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age

  Come on now Chuck.  This is very clearly all your fault for not getting a 
bunch of extra keys.  He shouldn’t have had to worry about returning a key 
after he used that truck.  They should be disposable.  How can you expect 
anyone to have a good work ethic or attitude if you don’t provide them with 
disposable keys and their choice of anywhere on your property to park?



  (sarcasm off now.  In case it wasn’t painfully obvious that it was on…..)



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:29 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT : Getting more formal in my old age



  People...I hate them.



  On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 12:59 PM  wrote:

This is what I do now every time we fire someone.  



They always apply for benefits it seems.  There is always a hearing.

We win the hearings but it is a PITA...



After this I went out and appologized to the crew that witnessed it.  It 
has been years since I lost my cool like that.  They were all seemingly 
delighted that the guy is now gone.

In all my years of firing people, many dozens, perhaps as many as 100, only 
1 was a situation where I regretted it afterwards.  The guy was following along 
with some dishonest activity by a coworker and did not stand up to him.  He 
truly did not deserve to lose his job.  All the rest of them I typically say to 
myself afterwards: “should have done this long ago”.



Also, batting  for having formal disciplinary meetings result in a 
permanent change of behavior.  I guess we do them for evidence in the certain 
to be unemployment benefits hearing...



(BTW, the the tale below, this was a truck we bought at Richie Brothers a 
couple of weeks ago and had not yet got a duplicate key made).



From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 11:36 AM

To:  

Subject: xxx



Put this in xxx personnel file.  



Thursday last week a company truck was parked here at the company by xxx.  
He did not put the key back in the key box.  It is the only key we had for that 
truck and that truck is a critical vehicle.



This morning (7/13/2020) a group of employees were out on the back lot 
working on a project and I walked up and asked them who was last to drive the 
red truck.  They indicated it was xxx.  I asked where the key was, he was very 
non committal.  Essentially shrugging his shoulders.  I told him that it must 
be between the truck and the office key box, did he walk that route and look 
for it.  Nope, he said, he went and did some other things after parking the 
truck.  I asked him if he went to those other areas and looked for the key. 
Nope...  Didn’t seem to care.  Had a defiant attitude.  



So I said that in times like these, an owner of the equipment is always 
happy to hear, “hey chuck, sorry, I f**ked up”.  That was met with no response.

I repeated it a second and third time.  I started laughing and turned to 
his supervisor.  His supervisor xxx said “hey dude, you need to say those words 
to Chuck”.  xxx mumbled some semblance of the phrase but immediately followed 
it with an energetic “you didn’t apologize to me for putting the orange drums 
against my truck”.  



xxx, from day 1 parked first in the bookkeeper’s parking stall, we asked 
him to park out with the other employees.  He then parked in our loading dock 
blocking us from using it.  We had a talk about that.  He finally parked with 
the rest of the employees but on the edge of a drive forcing everyone to swing 
wide around his truck and preventing us from taking larger trucks in that 
parking lot.  I put up some orange construction barrels to block off the area 
where I didn’t want any one to park.  That was OK for a day or two but then I 
came to work and the barrels were in the dirt and xxx had parked on the far end 
again.



I put the barrels in front and to the side of his truck and called his 
supervisor to have him inform xxx that that corner of the parking lot is a no 
park area.



So this morning when xxx defiantly proclaimed that he was owed an apology I 
lost my cool, I told him that it was my parking lot and I could do what I 
wanted.

[AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread can...@believewireless.net 
So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep
it grid tied just
in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a
Tesla Powerwall
for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
grid.

In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was
"free," that
would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm 100%
electric already.
I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly
roof space to
compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.

What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
should consider?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread chuck 
I have good luck with Chint.  Good value.
A backup generator on propane is a much better value than any battery solution. 
I used to have a good rule of thumb on how large the array needs to be.  
Something like total annual usage in kWh divided by 3 or something like that.  
I have 10 kW of panel at home.  

I found my spreadsheet.  
In 2013 I use 26939 kWh for the year.
28238 in 2012.  
So pretty close to 30,000 kWh.

In 2015 I added 10 kW and mostly killed my power bill.  
2017 I used 1178 kWh (purchased from the utility).

I am planning to add at  least 5 kW more someday.  
And then switch to electric on demand water heaters.  

So 10 kW for 30,000 kWh.  
Take annual total kWh and divide by 3 and you have a reasonable value for the 
amount of power you need to install.  


From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep it 
grid tied just
in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a 
Tesla Powerwall
for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the grid. 

In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was 
"free," that 
would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm 100% 
electric already.
I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly roof 
space to 
compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.

What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I should 
consider?




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[AFMUG] Commscope RealFlex 3 Staples

2020-07-16 Thread Jason McKemie 
Does anyone have a staple gun / staples that they use with this?  The
documentation mentions "Commscope approved staples", but I'm unable to find
anything beyond that.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread can...@believewireless.net 
Where did you find your cheapest price for panels?

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM  wrote:

> I have good luck with Chint.  Good value.
> A backup generator on propane is a much better value than any battery
> solution.
> I used to have a good rule of thumb on how large the array needs to be.
> Something like total annual usage in kWh divided by 3 or something like
> that.  I have 10 kW of panel at home.
>
> I found my spreadsheet.
> In 2013 I use 26939 kWh for the year.
> 28238 in 2012.
> So pretty close to 30,000 kWh.
>
> In 2015 I added 10 kW and mostly killed my power bill.
> 2017 I used 1178 kWh (purchased from the utility).
>
> I am planning to add at  least 5 kW more someday.
> And then switch to electric on demand water heaters.
>
> So 10 kW for 30,000 kWh.
> Take annual total kWh and divide by 3 and you have a reasonable value for
> the amount of power you need to install.
>
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar
>
> So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep
> it grid tied just
> in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a
> Tesla Powerwall
> for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
> grid.
>
> In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was
> "free," that
> would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm
> 100% electric already.
> I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly
> roof space to
> compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.
>
> What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
> should consider?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread chuck 
That outfit that had the huge warehouse in Florida and later expanded to 
Phoenix I think.  
Don’t recall the name but someone on here will probably know who I mean.
I bought them by the case/pallet.  Multiple cases actually because I was doing 
about 10 systems at the same time..

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

Where did you find your cheapest price for panels?

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM  wrote:

  I have good luck with Chint.  Good value.
  A backup generator on propane is a much better value than any battery 
solution. 
  I used to have a good rule of thumb on how large the array needs to be.  
  Something like total annual usage in kWh divided by 3 or something like that. 
 I have 10 kW of panel at home.  

  I found my spreadsheet.  
  In 2013 I use 26939 kWh for the year.
  28238 in 2012.  
  So pretty close to 30,000 kWh.

  In 2015 I added 10 kW and mostly killed my power bill.  
  2017 I used 1178 kWh (purchased from the utility).

  I am planning to add at  least 5 kW more someday.  
  And then switch to electric on demand water heaters.  

  So 10 kW for 30,000 kWh.  
  Take annual total kWh and divide by 3 and you have a reasonable value for the 
amount of power you need to install.  


  From: can...@believewireless.net 
  Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:38 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

  So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep it 
grid tied just
  in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a 
Tesla Powerwall
  for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the grid. 

  In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was 
"free," that 
  would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm 100% 
electric already.
  I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly roof 
space to 
  compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.

  What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I should 
consider?


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Re: [AFMUG] Commscope RealFlex 3 Staples

2020-07-16 Thread Carl Peterson 
I specced T18s for my crew.  I haven't checked in with them on them but
haven't had any complaints.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:59 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a staple gun / staples that they use with this?  The
> documentation mentions "Commscope approved staples", but I'm unable to find
> anything beyond that.
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Re: [AFMUG] Commscope RealFlex 3 Staples

2020-07-16 Thread Carl Peterson 
And light levels are coming in as designed so I'm guessing they are fine.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 5:00 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I specced T18s for my crew.  I haven't checked in with them on them but
> haven't had any complaints.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:59 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a staple gun / staples that they use with this?  The
>> documentation mentions "Commscope approved staples", but I'm unable to find
>> anything beyond that.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread TJ Trout 
Chuck is thinking of sun electronics sunelec.com I think. I tried them
recently and no response.

I would try signature solar, bifacial panels might be the way to go
depending on your install.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 1:45 PM  wrote:

> That outfit that had the huge warehouse in Florida and later expanded to
> Phoenix I think.
> Don’t recall the name but someone on here will probably know who I mean.
> I bought them by the case/pallet.  Multiple cases actually because I was
> doing about 10 systems at the same time..
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:14 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar
>
> Where did you find your cheapest price for panels?
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM  wrote:
>
>> I have good luck with Chint.  Good value.
>> A backup generator on propane is a much better value than any battery
>> solution.
>> I used to have a good rule of thumb on how large the array needs to be.
>> Something like total annual usage in kWh divided by 3 or something like
>> that.  I have 10 kW of panel at home.
>>
>> I found my spreadsheet.
>> In 2013 I use 26939 kWh for the year.
>> 28238 in 2012.
>> So pretty close to 30,000 kWh.
>>
>> In 2015 I added 10 kW and mostly killed my power bill.
>> 2017 I used 1178 kWh (purchased from the utility).
>>
>> I am planning to add at  least 5 kW more someday.
>> And then switch to electric on demand water heaters.
>>
>> So 10 kW for 30,000 kWh.
>> Take annual total kWh and divide by 3 and you have a reasonable value for
>> the amount of power you need to install.
>>
>>
>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 12:38 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar
>>
>> So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to
>> keep it grid tied just
>> in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting
>> a Tesla Powerwall
>> for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
>> grid.
>>
>> In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power
>> was "free," that
>> would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm
>> 100% electric already.
>> I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly
>> roof space to
>> compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.
>>
>> What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
>> should consider?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

2020-07-16 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
The fiber builds are targeting a different market than our fixed wireless.   We 
have to build out fiber to our tower sites that are predominantly in small 
villages that have cable systems.   The pricing and marketing is all aimed at 
competing with Spectrum and taking market share from them.  I need the take 
rate more than I need the ARPU when we are competing with cable.

Mark 

> On Jul 16, 2020, at 12:16 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't you be better off selling one plan like Google? A gig for $70. Or at 
> least get rid of the $50 plan. Do 50 Meg for $60 and gig for $70. That way 
> it's almost a no brainer to go with the gig. 20x more speed for only $10 
> more!!! 
> 
> I bet your profit would be higher overall, even with slightly fewer 
> customers. I don't think it's about the highest market share, but rather 
> highest profit. We've been working on raising our ARPU for the wisp and we're 
> over $82 right now. Yes we lose a handful of customers from price increases 
> but we overall make more money since most don't cancel. Our customer count 
> has increased every month since we started in 2012. Back then our arpu was 
> about $54 and it's increased to $82 now. I've talked to wisps that are even 
> higher in the triple digits. 
> 
> Any business not raising their prices when demand is this strong is leaving 
> money on the table. This is totally dependent on competition I understand. 
> For us, we try to be the most reliable with the best customer service. This 
> allows us to sell a premium priced service compared to dsl and other wisps. 
> Word of mouth from our existing customers drives our sales. 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:35 PM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> 
>> So you’re selling 25M of bandwidth and 975M of bragging rights?
> 
> Yep, exactly.   And that’s all it is really.
> 
>>  
>> Gamers probably use the gig speed for awhile whenever a new gigantic game 
>> comes out.  But that’s not like video streaming which I swear some people do 
>> 24x7.
> 
> 
> Once in a blue moon somebody manages to peg it out long enough to show up on 
> a 5 minute average.
> 
> I found this interesting in that statistics:
> 
> We offer 100Mb, 250Mb and GigE plans at $49.95, $59.95, and $79.95
> 
> Of those plans 41% take the 100Mb plan, 38% select 250Mb, and 20% take the 
> Gigabit plan.
> 
> The  typical distribution would be that the middle plan having the highest 
> percentage - and it doesn't.   To me that says that customers are seeing 
> value and plenty of speed at 100Mb.   A few guy who need bragging rights take 
> the Gigabit plan.   We thank them for the contribution to the retirement fund.
> 
> Mark
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Wow. That's a lot of power from my perspective. We use less than
  700 KWh per month. We live in the country, so we have to pump our
  water (big well pump and a pressure pump); so that is a big
  influence on our power usage. I have a hard time imagining how you
  might use 5X what we use.


bp



On 7/16/2020 11:38 AM,
  can...@believewireless.net wrote:


  
  
So finally
  decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to
  keep it grid tied just
in case. My
  location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a
  Tesla Powerwall
for times
  when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
  grid. 


In the past
  year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was
  "free," that 
would
  probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days,
  I'm 100% electric already.
I'm in
  Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of
  southly roof space to 
compensate.
  (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.


What would
  people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
  should consider?


  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread Darin Steffl 
I was thinking the same thing. I'm in town and average 600 kwh a month with
my tesla charging for about 1500 miles a month.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:07 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Wow. That's a lot of power from my perspective. We use less than 700 KWh
> per month. We live in the country, so we have to pump our water (big well
> pump and a pressure pump); so that is a big influence on our power usage. I
> have a hard time imagining how you might use 5X what we use.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/16/2020 11:38 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep
> it grid tied just
> in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a
> Tesla Powerwall
> for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
> grid.
>
> In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was
> "free," that
> would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm
> 100% electric already.
> I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly
> roof space to
> compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.
>
> What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
> should consider?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread TJ Trout 
Climate

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 6:07 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Wow. That's a lot of power from my perspective. We use less than 700 KWh
> per month. We live in the country, so we have to pump our water (big well
> pump and a pressure pump); so that is a big influence on our power usage. I
> have a hard time imagining how you might use 5X what we use.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/16/2020 11:38 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep
> it grid tied just
> in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a
> Tesla Powerwall
> for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the
> grid.
>
> In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was
> "free," that
> would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm
> 100% electric already.
> I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly
> roof space to
> compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.
>
> What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I
> should consider?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread Ken Hohhof 
He says he uses electric heat, do you also?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

 

Climate

 

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 6:07 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Wow. That's a lot of power from my perspective. We use less than 700 KWh per 
month. We live in the country, so we have to pump our water (big well pump and 
a pressure pump); so that is a big influence on our power usage. I have a hard 
time imagining how you might use 5X what we use.

 

bp

 

On 7/16/2020 11:38 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
  wrote:

So finally decided to move my home off-grid. However, would prefer to keep it 
grid tied just

in case. My location has almost zero power outages but I plan on getting a 
Tesla Powerwall

for times when the sun doesn't shine.  Not looking to sell back to the grid. 

 

In the past year, my greatest power usage was 3500 kWh/month. If power was 
"free," that 

would probably increase. Other than oil heat for the coldest days, I'm 100% 
electric already.

I'm in Maryland so I know peak sun is limited but have plenty of southly roof 
space to 

compensate. (And even a good amount of easterly space for the mornings.

 

What would people recommend for inverters? Any other recommendations I should 
consider?

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Switching Home to Grid Tied Solar

2020-07-16 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 7/16/20 6:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Wow. That's a lot of power from my perspective. We use less than 700 KWh 
per month. We live in the country, so we have to pump our water (big 
well pump and a pressure pump); so that is a big influence on our power 
usage. I have a hard time imagining how you might use 5X what we use.



I'm already at 1.22 MWh of consumption halfway through the month. I like 
air conditioning.


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