Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

[Ken Hohhof]

Most of the tower supply companies sell rope, I think the OP mentioned GME.  
There was a company Rope & Rescue that was at some WISPA shows, I have bought 
from them, I’m not sure if they are still around.  Maybe changed name.

 

Some of the rope manufacturers like Sterling and PMI Rope sell standard lengths 
direct (I like PMI’s rope bags).  I have also purchased from R&W Rope, they are 
in New Bedford, MA:

https://rwrope.com/

 

One of the nice things about rope is that a lot of it is made in the USA, and 
there are a lot of distributors here as well.  Some of the stuff like Petzl may 
come from overseas, but rope is still something we know how to do.  Seafaring 
and rock climbing traditions I guess.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 11:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

My last order was from an arborist supply. Cannot remember or find their info. 

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:46 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I just ask the guys at the rock climbing outfitters.  They have always fixed me 
up with stuff that works well.

Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



3/8 kernmantle.  We do have some throw bags of lighter “accessory cord”, I 
think 7 mm.

 

I’m not familiar with that brand.  When I started out buying rope I bought some 
“dual braid” and it was bad stuff.  I forget the brand, maybe Samson.  But it 
got all kinky.  If Mark vouches for that particular rope, it’s good.

 

Personally I like Sterling SuperStatic.  One decision is whether you like nylon 
or polyester rope.  Some people will only use polyester (e.g. Sterling HTP) for 
static rope applications because it has lower elongation.  Personally I find it 
too stiff and too abrasive and prefer nylon.

 

If you look at the working load limit (WLL) which is typically 1/10 of the 
breaking strength, a 3/8 inch or 10 mm rope is fine unless you are hanging 12 
foot dishes or something.  I think the main reason to have a 1/2 inch rope is 
for rescue where it needs to hold the weight of two people.  Or maybe for 
rappelling down a tower with a descender, which I think is also supposed to be 
done with a second rope for fall protection.

 

But I have a garbage can with 900 feet of 1/2 inch rope and it’s prohibitively 
heavy.  No tower climber is going to want to pull that up the tower as he 
climbs.  You will have to start with a lighter rope and use a capstan to pull 
up the heavy rope.  You don’t appreciate just how heavy a 1/2 inch rope is 
until you try using one.  Mark mentions 5/8, I don’t like to even think about 
that.

 

But yes, 3/8 inch is the sweet spot.

 

I have now told you more than I know about ropes, so take with a grain of salt.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

Good suggestion Mark, 

 

Thank you.

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2020 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” or 
the 5/8”.  

 

The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
haul line.

 

We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.

 

Mark

 

On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > wrote:

 

I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load up 
the tower using capstan etc.

 

Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?

 

Following?

 

  
https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope

 

Thanks,

Tushar

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

[Mike Hammett]

The transcript only has three mentions of the word "dollar" and none of them 
relate to 60 GHz. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 5:04:52 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz 

I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting 
all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of 
the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed Q/A. 

When is it coming out? 
What is the pricing? 
Does it have a 5ghz backup? 



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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

[Eric Muehleisen]

A few of my notes...

Basestation V5000 - List $999

10 Gbps

140 degree coverage

Mesh capable

SFP+ uplink



Subscriber SM V3000 - List $199

1 Gbps

35 degree

SFP uplink

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting
> all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of
> the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed Q/A.
>
> When is it coming out?
> What is the pricing?
> Does it have a 5ghz backup?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Josh Luthman]

But you're touching the key...

Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:24 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener that allows you to
> open different types of doors without physically touching them.
>
> Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.
>
> I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it myself and
> printed it.
>
> Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a Prusa. Mine arrived
> the other day after my other one died and it is nothing less than amazing.
> MUCH easier to use. I pretty much press print and prints work nearly every
> time. Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several minutes trying to level
> the bed before each print.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

[Josh Luthman]

Powerline needs to be on the same phase just keep in mind.  At least that's
what someone said recently.

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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM  wrote:

> Hmmm...
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 1:50 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
> If it is HomePlug AV2 or higher, it will do close to gigabit speeds.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/6/2020 12:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I guess what I should have said, they are not Layer 1.   So they are some
> speed of Layer 2 which may or may not work with HDMI over ethernet.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 1:38 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
> All the ones I know of are transparent layer 2.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3 devices are they not?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 1:09 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
> Would a power line adapter do the trick?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am thinking of a monitor in the bathroom so my wife doesn’t have to
> pause Homeland for me.
> I have one bathroom near our theater room that does have a cat5 based hdmi
> splitter monitor.  Works well.
> But the upstairs one has no cat5 in the walls and I am way too lazy to
> attempt to fish an insulated concrete foam block wall.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 1:00 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
> That would actually be useful for the people who have Fox News on 5
> screens in the house so they can walk from room to room without missing a
> word.  Yes, you can buy 5 Rokus, but it takes 5x the Internet bandwidth to
> essentially replicate broadcast TV.
>
>
>
> It kind of creeps me out to have Sean Hannity or Jeanine Pirro talking at
> me in every room when I’m working in a customer’s house.  Like the haunted
> house paintings where the eyes follow you.  Or some kind of Minority Report
> thing, I expect them to say my name.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 1:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
>
> I want the two monitors to be in sync.
>
>
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 12:43 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless
>
>
>
> It sounds simpler to buy another roku, to be honest. It'll probably cost
> you more in splitting equipment then it's worth, unless you really have to
> have it running off a single roku.
>
>
>
> HDMI has the digital handshake for copyright protection, as a general rule
> it makes it very expensive to split it.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 1:30 PM  wrote:
>
> I want to take the output of a roku and split it.  One for the monitor and
> the other into a wireless hdmi extender to a monitor in a different room.
>
> Any recommendations on wireless HDMI gear or splitters?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 60ghz

[Josh Luthman]

I'm pretty confident they priced 2-3 models for the 60 GHz stuff.

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:01 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> A few of my notes...
>
> Basestation V5000 - List $999
>
> 10 Gbps
>
> 140 degree coverage
>
> Mesh capable
>
> SFP+ uplink
>
>
>
> Subscriber SM V3000 - List $199
>
> 1 Gbps
>
> 35 degree
>
> SFP uplink
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 5:06 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I looked through the WISPA Webinar and questions, and I remember getting
>> all these answers, but they must have answered it in the audio part of
>> the presentation because I didn't see them in the slides, or the typed
>> Q/A.
>>
>> When is it coming out?
>> What is the pricing?
>> Does it have a 5ghz backup?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

[Timothy Steele]

Twilio CRM plugin it would cross-match the number with the account and you
can create automation like that

so it is very possible

I have noticed a trend of clients wanting support via SMS

 tried to offer that as a service for WISPs using Google Voices number but
I did not get any takers

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 6:23 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Because obviously you have a cellphone and their phone number is in your
> Contacts.  I'm sure Fortune 500 companies have a cellphone on the
> receptionist's desk as their main phone.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:31 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] SMS Messages
>
> Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But then
> don't even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 'I need to
> update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.
>
> Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet wizards
> will just magically know who they are.
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Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

[dave via AF]

yes, we use telepathy now a days where have you been :)


On 4/6/20 5:02 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Have people forgotten that they can make phone calls from their 
texting device?


Nate Burke wrote:
Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But 
then don't even say who they are? I just got one in,  All it says is 
'I need to update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.


Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Carl Peterson]

And it is made of plastic... Should be copper.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:04 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> But you're touching the key...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:24 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener that allows you to
>> open different types of doors without physically touching them.
>>
>> Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.
>>
>> I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it myself and
>> printed it.
>>
>> Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a Prusa. Mine arrived
>> the other day after my other one died and it is nothing less than amazing.
>> MUCH easier to use. I pretty much press print and prints work nearly every
>> time. Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several minutes trying to level
>> the bed before each print.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Josh Luthman]

Or brass!

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:55 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> And it is made of plastic... Should be copper.
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:04 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> But you're touching the key...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:24 PM can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener that allows you
>>> to open different types of doors without physically touching them.
>>>
>>> Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.
>>>
>>> I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it myself and
>>> printed it.
>>>
>>> Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a Prusa. Mine arrived
>>> the other day after my other one died and it is nothing less than amazing.
>>> MUCH easier to use. I pretty much press print and prints work nearly every
>>> time. Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several minutes trying to level
>>> the bed before each print.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Adam Moffett]

If we imagine the door handle is contaminated, then whatever you touched 
it with may now be contaminated.  So you put the contamination into your 
pocket.  Your hands go in and out of your pocket all the time.  Is this 
really better?


Is it better than opening a door with a rag or your shirt sleeve?


On 4/7/2020 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Or brass!

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:55 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


And it is made of plastic... Should be copper.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:04 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

But you're touching the key...

Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:24 PM can...@believewireless.net
 mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:

What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener
that allows you to open different types of doors without
physically touching them.

Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.

I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it
myself and printed it.

Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a
Prusa. Mine arrived the other day after my other one died
and it is nothing less than amazing. MUCH easier to use. I
pretty much press print and prints work nearly every time.
Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several minutes
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[AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Ken Hohhof]

Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:

 

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Adam Moffett]

This mofo is going on Facebook.

On 4/7/2020 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/


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Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

[Lewis Bergman]

A survey we quote states that 85% of consumers have a much higher opinion
of the business if they can interact with them via text. We are in the
middle of an application that adds some intelligence to the process. Twilio
is a robust thing if you get their Flex product.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:22 AM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Twilio CRM plugin it would cross-match the number with the account and you
> can create automation like that
>
> so it is very possible
>
> I have noticed a trend of clients wanting support via SMS
>
>  tried to offer that as a service for WISPs using Google Voices number but
> I did not get any takers
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 6:23 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Because obviously you have a cellphone and their phone number is in your
>> Contacts.  I'm sure Fortune 500 companies have a cellphone on the
>> receptionist's desk as their main phone.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:31 PM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] SMS Messages
>>
>> Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But then
>> don't even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 'I need
>> to
>> update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.
>>
>> Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet wizards
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Mark Radabaugh]

If only we could proactively recognize the assholes….

Mark

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> This mofo is going on Facebook.
> 
> On 4/7/2020 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:
>>  
>> https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/ 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[chuck]

I have never had too much of a problem recognizing assholes...

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 9:26 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

This mofo is going on Facebook.


On 4/7/2020 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:

   

  https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/

   


   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[chuck]

Precog

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

If only we could proactively recognize the assholes…. 

Mark



  On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  This mofo is going on Facebook.


  On 4/7/2020 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:
 
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/
 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Larry Smith]

Walmart, Kroger, Dollar General - they (or more specifically
their plastic bags) are your friend here.  Slip you hand into
a Walmart (or whoever) bag, touch what you need to, discard
the bag.

Especially handy when pumping gas and trying to push all the
buttons on the keypad that they deliberately put recessed into
the machine far enough you have to touch all sorts of things just
to get your debit card into - and then back out of.

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On Tue April 7 2020 09:44, Adam Moffett wrote:
> If we imagine the door handle is contaminated, then whatever you touched
> it with may now be contaminated.  So you put the contamination into your
> pocket.  Your hands go in and out of your pocket all the time.  Is this
> really better?
>
> Is it better than opening a door with a rag or your shirt sleeve?
>
> On 4/7/2020 10:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > Or brass!
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 9:55 AM Carl Peterson
> > mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
> >
> > And it is made of plastic... Should be copper.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:04 AM Josh Luthman
> > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > But you're touching the key...
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:24 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >   > > wrote:
> >
> > What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener
> > that allows you to open different types of doors without
> > physically touching them.
> >
> > Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.
> >
> > I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it
> > myself and printed it.
> >
> > Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a
> > Prusa. Mine arrived the other day after my other one died
> > and it is nothing less than amazing. MUCH easier to use. I
> > pretty much press print and prints work nearly every time.
> > Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several minutes
> > trying to level the bed before each print.
> >
> >
> >
> >  >75290840974&type=3&av=55973&eav=AfY2h7zsGL4UwPowUCwrPWk0H_5kWG3_YxEEPx
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Brian Webster]

Yet another thing that Americans will be able to complain about their crappy
coverage..

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:26 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

 

This mofo is going on Facebook.

On 4/7/2020 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:

 

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/

 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Mike Hammett]

If there's a lot of coverage, that system may very well help you figure out 
why. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Brian Webster"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:24:52 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology 



Yet another thing that Americans will be able to complain about their crappy 
coverage…. 


Thank you, 
Brian Webster 
www.wirelessmapping.com 



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:26 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology 

This mofo is going on Facebook. 

On 4/7/2020 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 


Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting: 

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/ 






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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Steve Jones]

we have gone too far. this is the reason mother nature is trying to kill us
right now

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 11:30 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> If there's a lot of coverage, that system may very well help you figure
> out why.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:24:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology
>
> Yet another thing that Americans will be able to complain about their
> crappy coverage….
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 11:26 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology
>
>
>
> This mofo is going on Facebook.
>
> On 4/7/2020 11:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:
>
>
>
> https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Adam Moffett]

I'm not actually fretting over touching a door handle, but if I was I'd 
use that idea.



On 4/7/2020 12:24 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

Walmart, Kroger, Dollar General - they (or more specifically
their plastic bags) are your friend here.  Slip you hand into
a Walmart (or whoever) bag, touch what you need to, discard
the bag.

Especially handy when pumping gas and trying to push all the
buttons on the keypad that they deliberately put recessed into
the machine far enough you have to touch all sorts of things just
to get your debit card into - and then back out of.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[Ken Hohhof]

That style of door can easily be opened with an elbow, and I can't touch my
face with my elbow.  Our office has those door handles but now is often
locked because everyone is working from home, which means I have to use my
key, and I find I can just open the door with the key.

It's the round doorknobs that are more of a pain.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

I'm not actually fretting over touching a door handle, but if I was I'd use
that idea.


On 4/7/2020 12:24 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> Walmart, Kroger, Dollar General - they (or more specifically
> their plastic bags) are your friend here.  Slip you hand into
> a Walmart (or whoever) bag, touch what you need to, discard
> the bag.
>
> Especially handy when pumping gas and trying to push all the
> buttons on the keypad that they deliberately put recessed into
> the machine far enough you have to touch all sorts of things just
> to get your debit card into - and then back out of.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID-19 Key

[dave via AF]

Way too much time on our hands lol!
I think a productive way to devote our time is to come up with a 
radiated laser system that would target Covid in the body

and ZAP it!


On 4/6/20 2:24 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:


What's the key to COVID-19? How about this door opener that allows you 
to open different types of doors without physically touching them.


Want a "Corona Key" for your very own? STL file is attached.

I didn't invent this. Saw an ad on Facebook, designed it myself and 
printed it.


Looking for a 3D printer? RUN, don't walk, and get a Prusa. Mine 
arrived the other day after my other one died and it is nothing less 
than amazing. MUCH easier to use. I pretty much press print and prints 
work nearly every time. Auto bed leveling so I'm not wasting several 
minutes trying to level the bed before each print.







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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I got most of my rope, bags, buckets, and gear from Midwest
  Unlimited.
https://www.midwestunlimited.com/
bp



On 4/7/2020 3:47 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Most of the tower supply companies sell
  rope, I think the OP mentioned GME.  There was a company Rope
  & Rescue that was at some WISPA shows, I have bought from
  them, I’m not sure if they are still around.  Maybe changed
  name.
 
Some of the rope manufacturers like
  Sterling and PMI Rope sell standard lengths direct (I like
  PMI’s rope bags).  I have also purchased from R&W Rope,
  they are in New Bedford, MA:
https://rwrope.com/
 
One of the nice things about rope is that a
  lot of it is made in the USA, and there are a lot of
  distributors here as well.  Some of the stuff like Petzl may
  come from overseas, but rope is still something we know how to
  do.  Seafaring and rock climbing traditions I guess.
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Jason
  Wilson
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 11:08 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?
 

  
My last order was from an arborist
  supply. Cannot remember or find their info. 
  


   
  

  On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 8:46 PM Chuck
McCown  wrote:


  
I just
  ask the guys at the rock climbing outfitters.  They
  have always fixed me up with stuff that works well.

  Sent from my iPhone


  


  
On
  Apr 6, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  


  

  

  
  

  

  3/8
kernmantle.  We do have some throw bags of
lighter “accessory cord”, I think 7 mm.
   
  I’m
not familiar with that brand.  When I started
out buying rope I bought some “dual braid” and
it was bad stuff.  I forget the brand, maybe
Samson.  But it got all kinky.  If Mark vouches
for that particular rope, it’s good.
   
  Personally
I like Sterling SuperStatic.  One decision is
whether you like nylon or polyester rope.  Some
people will only use polyester (e.g. Sterling
HTP) for static rope applications because it has
lower elongation.  Personally I find it too
stiff and too abrasive and prefer nylon.
   
  If
you look at the working load limit (WLL) which
is typically 1/10 of the breaking strength, a
3/8 inch or 10 mm rope is fine unless you are
hanging 12 foot dishes or something.  I think
the main reason to have a 1/2 inch rope is for
rescue where it needs to hold the weight of two
people.  Or maybe for rappelling down a tower
with a descender, which I think is also supposed
to be done with a second rope for fall
protection.
   
  But
I have a garbage can with 900 feet of 1/2 inch
rope and it’s prohibitively heavy.  No tower
climber is going to want to pull that up the
tower as he climbs.  You will have to start with
a lighter rope and use a capstan to pull up the
heavy rope.  You don’t appreciate just how heavy
a 1/2 inch rope is until you try using one. 
Mark mentions 5/8, I don’t like to even think
about that.
   
  But
yes, 3/8 inch is the sweet spot.
   
  I
have now told you more than I know about ropes,
so take with a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

[Bill Prince]

  
  
At least needs to be on the same subpanel. Most powerline
  adapters transmit/receive on neutral, and sometimes ground.
  Neutrals will be common between phases in most homes (assuming a
  typical split phase system).

bp



On 4/7/2020 6:05 AM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  Powerline needs to be on the same phase just keep
in mind.  At least that's what someone said recently.

  

  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  


  
  
  
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM
  
  wrote:


  

  
Hmmm...

  
 

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:50 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI wireless

  
   


  If it is HomePlug AV2 or higher, it will do close
to gigabit speeds.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug
  bp



  On 4/6/2020 12:41 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
  
  

  
I guess what I should have said, they are
  not Layer 1.   So they are some speed of Layer
  2 which may or may not work with HDMI over
  ethernet.  

  
 

  From: Bill Prince
  
  Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020
1:38 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDMI
wireless

  
   


  All the ones I know of are transparent
layer 2.
  
  bp



  On 4/6/2020 12:36 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
  
  

  
Not sure.  I think they are Layer 3
  devices are they not?

  
 

  From: Bill
  Prince 
  Sent: Monday, April 6,
2020 1:09 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
OT HDMI wireless

  
   


  Would a power line adapter do the
trick?
  
  bp



  On 4/6/2020 12:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
  
  

  
I am thinking of a monitor
  in the bathroom so my wife
  doesn’t have to pause Homeland
  for me.
I have one bathroom near
  our theater room that does
  have a cat5 based hdmi
  splitter monitor.  Works well.
But the upstairs one has no
  cat5 in the walls and I am way
  too lazy to attempt to fish an
  insulated concrete foam block
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Bill Prince]

  
  
People worry about privacy, but I wonder if I would recognize one
  butthole from another?


bp



On 4/7/2020 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Some on this list will no doubt find this
  new technology interesting:
 
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/
 
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[chuck]

The ultimate in biometric ID systems.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

People worry about privacy, but I wonder if I would recognize one butthole from 
another?



bp


On 4/7/2020 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:

   

  https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/

   


   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Mike Hammett]

I'm sure the Internet is full of examples. We could come up with a quiz, I'm 
sure. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:41:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology 


People worry about privacy, but I wonder if I would recognize one butthole from 
another? 

bp
 
On 4/7/2020 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 




Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting: 

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/ 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Mark Radabaugh]

Image Recognition AI Quality Control Technician

This position assists in classifying the camera images from our biometric 
imaging systems to assist and train our AI recognition algorithm.Requires 
an advanced ability to identify and classify minor variations in patterns.

oh never mind…

Mark

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> The ultimate in biometric ID systems. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince <>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:41 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology
>  
> People worry about privacy, but I wonder if I would recognize one butthole 
> from another?
>  
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/7/2020 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:
>>  
>> https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/ 
>> 
>>  
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[AFMUG] OT: Unacast

[Mike Hammett]

I've seen a bunch of articles based on "data" put out by Unacast regarding 
geographies that are better or worse at social distancing. 


They're using travel distance to determine who's good and who's bad. 


Is their data worth a shit? You could put 10k phones into 10k cars and drive 
them in circles all day and your reported metric would be through the roof, yet 
there was nearly zero additional risk because people were separated. 


How are they collecting this data? On whose behalf? With what permission? 


The only useful data would perhaps be in detecting the change in number of 
visible Bluetooth devices from January to now. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Steve Jones]

there is an anus looking glass video called Glass Ass on the internet if
you can find it. Its kind of a game changer in terms of anal recognition

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 1:56 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Image Recognition AI Quality Control Technician
>
> This position assists in classifying the camera images from our biometric
> imaging systems to assist and train our AI recognition algorithm.
>  Requires an advanced ability to identify and classify minor variations in
> patterns.
>
> oh never mind…
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> The ultimate in biometric ID systems.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:41 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology
>
> People worry about privacy, but I wonder if I would recognize one butthole
> from another?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/7/2020 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:
>
> https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology

[Mark Radabaugh]

OK Steve, you win.   I don’t even want to know how you know this.

Mark

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> there is an anus looking glass video called Glass Ass on the internet if you 
> can find it. Its kind of a game changer in terms of anal recognition
> 
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 1:56 PM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> Image Recognition AI Quality Control Technician
> 
> This position assists in classifying the camera images from our biometric 
> imaging systems to assist and train our AI recognition algorithm.Requires 
> an advanced ability to identify and classify minor variations in patterns.
> 
> oh never mind…
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 2:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> 
>> The ultimate in biometric ID systems. 
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:41 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - latest in smart toilet technology
>>  
>> People worry about privacy, but I wonder if I would recognize one butthole 
>> from another?
>>  
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/7/2020 8:22 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> Some on this list will no doubt find this new technology interesting:
>>>  
>>> https://www.dailydot.com/debug/smart-toilet-anal-recognition/ 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Or you could put a hundred or two cell phones in a wheelbarrow
  and push it around town. Oh wait. That's been done.

bp



On 4/7/2020 11:57 AM, Mike Hammett
  wrote:


  
  
  I've seen a bunch of articles based
on "data" put out by Unacast regarding geographies that are
better or worse at social distancing.


They're using travel distance to
  determine who's good and who's bad.


Is their data worth a shit? You could put 10k phones
  into 10k cars and drive them in circles all day and your
  reported metric would be through the roof, yet there was
  nearly zero additional risk because people were separated.
  
  
  How are they collecting
this data? On whose behalf? With what permission?
  
  
  The only useful data would
perhaps be in detecting the change in number of visible
Bluetooth devices from January to now.
  
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

[Ken Hohhof]

Opinion:  not very useful.

 

Rural people drive farther to work or shop, that doesn’t mean they interact 
with more people.  I may drive 50 miles to drop off radios for my tech to 
install but not interact with a single person.

 

I saw one analysis that blamed it on Walmart for driving all the local stores 
out of business so people in some areas have to drive 20 miles to buy groceries 
or buy supplies.  But again, what matters is probably how crowded that Walmart 
is and whether you practice distancing while shopping, not how far you drive to 
get there.

 

I imagine anonymized cellphone geolocation data is available for this purpose, 
either from what celltowers you are near, or browser and app data.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

I've seen a bunch of articles based on "data" put out by Unacast regarding 
geographies that are better or worse at social distancing.

 

They're using travel distance to determine who's good and who's bad.

 

Is their data worth a shit? You could put 10k phones into 10k cars and drive 
them in circles all day and your reported metric would be through the roof, yet 
there was nearly zero additional risk because people were separated.

 

How are they collecting this data? On whose behalf? With what permission?

 

The only useful data would perhaps be in detecting the change in number of 
visible Bluetooth devices from January to now.

 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

[chuck]

Our local underground facilities location agency says locates are way up.  They 
think people are doing lots of home projects.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

Opinion:  not very useful.

 

Rural people drive farther to work or shop, that doesn’t mean they interact 
with more people.  I may drive 50 miles to drop off radios for my tech to 
install but not interact with a single person.

 

I saw one analysis that blamed it on Walmart for driving all the local stores 
out of business so people in some areas have to drive 20 miles to buy groceries 
or buy supplies.  But again, what matters is probably how crowded that Walmart 
is and whether you practice distancing while shopping, not how far you drive to 
get there.

 

I imagine anonymized cellphone geolocation data is available for this purpose, 
either from what celltowers you are near, or browser and app data.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

I've seen a bunch of articles based on "data" put out by Unacast regarding 
geographies that are better or worse at social distancing.

 

They're using travel distance to determine who's good and who's bad.

 

Is their data worth a shit? You could put 10k phones into 10k cars and drive 
them in circles all day and your reported metric would be through the roof, yet 
there was nearly zero additional risk because people were separated.

 

How are they collecting this data? On whose behalf? With what permission?

 

The only useful data would perhaps be in detecting the change in number of 
visible Bluetooth devices from January to now.

 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

[Brian Webster]

Most people have not turned off their location services on their smart phones. 
There are plenty of background programs that are already embedded in various 
apps people use. Geotagged Twitter data has user ID’s attached to it, Google 
tracks most movements and of course records and stares all the voices that 
people use when using the microphone for voice to text etc. Facebook checkin’s 
etc.  are also part of the mix of data sources. In the rural areas for these 
shorter periods of time they are looking at I am not sure how much sampling 
they get compared to more densely populated regions.  Here are some articles on 
the topic:

 

https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/?fbclid=IwAR1OJd6xUliSCACfWjPwbfKTAWgZ_73Dqv_R6k3_MXz6ZVXbTJuw84FNm_Y

https://www.newsweek.com/google-tracking-peoples-movements-their-communities-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1495915?fbclid=IwAR29LjfHTA68qM63HCWLX0vSycYIDlY9q3B4AnuOrVEJrBwB6tPQ--CW26g

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361?fbclid=IwAR30kyOEx1EcIvs4oXZ00Jd3uH5_euFVEgGlfSMLiBbnBBPMoOGMogXko4o

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html?smid=fb-share
 

 &fbclid=IwAR03RAWL4dJuZg6uXT1TroC_lcQ_xnxAaf5wKNpbKrZYyVeMFPS7R1pTg8c

 

 

Location based data has been available for a while, most of it is supposed to 
be anonymized but you can still glean off a lot of useful information with the 
information. Some of these studies have been put together quite quickly so the 
methodology I see in questions. For instance I see no mention of the makeup of 
the workforce for any given regions. In my area a better than 50% of the 
population could easily be in the essential workforce category being that 
healthcare and the service industry are a majority of the employment. Those 
people are still going to work. Also if you look at the break down of things 
like their letter grades they give to regions the percentages from say a to C 
are very minor and I think that is just to cause more sensationalized results. 
When a 50% reduction in travel is noticed, I would not consider that a D grade 
in a rural area. They are just using numbers from pre and post stay at home 
orders to grade society. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

Our local underground facilities location agency says locates are way up.  They 
think people are doing lots of home projects.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:16 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

Opinion:  not very useful.

 

Rural people drive farther to work or shop, that doesn’t mean they interact 
with more people.  I may drive 50 miles to drop off radios for my tech to 
install but not interact with a single person.

 

I saw one analysis that blamed it on Walmart for driving all the local stores 
out of business so people in some areas have to drive 20 miles to buy groceries 
or buy supplies.  But again, what matters is probably how crowded that Walmart 
is and whether you practice distancing while shopping, not how far you drive to 
get there.

 

I imagine anonymized cellphone geolocation data is available for this purpose, 
either from what celltowers you are near, or browser and app data.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

I've seen a bunch of articles based on "data" put out by Unacast regarding 
geographies that are better or worse at social distancing.

 

They're using travel distance to determine who's good and who's bad.

 

Is their data worth a shit? You could put 10k phones into 10k cars and drive 
them in circles all day and your reported metric would be through the roof, yet 
there was nearly zero additional risk because people were separated.

 

How are they collecting this data? On whose behalf? With what permission?

 

The only useful data would perhaps be in detecting the change in number of 
visible Bluetooth devices from January to now.

 



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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

[Tushar Patel]

Thanks, Ken. Good information.

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2020 9:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

3/8 kernmantle.  We do have some throw bags of lighter “accessory cord”, I 
think 7 mm.

 

I’m not familiar with that brand.  When I started out buying rope I bought some 
“dual braid” and it was bad stuff.  I forget the brand, maybe Samson.  But it 
got all kinky.  If Mark vouches for that particular rope, it’s good.

 

Personally I like Sterling SuperStatic.  One decision is whether you like nylon 
or polyester rope.  Some people will only use polyester (e.g. Sterling HTP) for 
static rope applications because it has lower elongation.  Personally I find it 
too stiff and too abrasive and prefer nylon.

 

If you look at the working load limit (WLL) which is typically 1/10 of the 
breaking strength, a 3/8 inch or 10 mm rope is fine unless you are hanging 12 
foot dishes or something.  I think the main reason to have a 1/2 inch rope is 
for rescue where it needs to hold the weight of two people.  Or maybe for 
rappelling down a tower with a descender, which I think is also supposed to be 
done with a second rope for fall protection.

 

But I have a garbage can with 900 feet of 1/2 inch rope and it’s prohibitively 
heavy.  No tower climber is going to want to pull that up the tower as he 
climbs.  You will have to start with a lighter rope and use a capstan to pull 
up the heavy rope.  You don’t appreciate just how heavy a 1/2 inch rope is 
until you try using one.  Mark mentions 5/8, I don’t like to even think about 
that.

 

But yes, 3/8 inch is the sweet spot.

 

I have now told you more than I know about ropes, so take with a grain of salt.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

Good suggestion Mark, 

 

Thank you.

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2020 7:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Rope Suggestions?

 

I would actually go lower diameter at 3/8”Unless you are pulling up the 
tower itself 5000’ is plenty strong and considerably lighter than the 1/2” or 
the 5/8”.  

 

The one you linked to is a good rope.   I think we have the 3/8” as our main 
haul line.

 

We have heavier 1/2" and 5/8” ropes for climbing ropes.

 

Mark

 

On Apr 6, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > wrote:

 

I am in the market to buy 1200 ft long double braid rope for pulling a load up 
the tower using capstan etc.

 

Any suggestions on the brand and the size (1/2 or 5/8)?

 

Following?

 

  
https://www.gmesupply.com/lifting-rigging/pelican-load-pro-double-braid-rope

 

Thanks,

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[AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[Tushar Patel]

Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.

 

Any input on the following product?

 

http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[chuck]

Someday I am going to build some of my ideas for this.

If you put a GPS antenna away from the tower and one on the tower, the long 
baseline will let you know the bearing between the two with great accuracy.  
They could talk and let the tower unit know what the azimuth of the line 
between them is.

Then you could aim a scope with an angular encoder at the ground unit, or it 
could have a strobe light with a omni lens camera on the tower to let it know 
where it is.  I even considered dopplar UHF antennas on the tower to get the 
position of the ground unit.

Then it is a simple thing to know which direction you are aiming.  Properly 
done it could be a $300 item instead of a $3000-$5000 item.  Just not sure 
which method to use to get the relative direction of the ground unit...

A small rifle scope on an encoder would work really well.  

From: Tushar Patel 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.

 

Any input on the following product?

 

http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

In a similar fashion we are entering into severe weather season here in the 
South are meteorologists are reporting on blogs and videos that their model 
data is not near as good because the resolution is not where it usually is 
because no commercial airlines are flying and apparently providing this model 
data.

Similar story I guess 

Sent from my smartphone

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From: "Brian Webster" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast
Date: Tue, Apr 7, 2020 5:14 PM

Most people have not turned off their location services on their smart phones. 
There are plenty of background programs that are already embedded in various 
apps people use. Geotagged Twitter data has user ID’s attached to it, Google 
tracks most movements and of course records and stares all the voices that 
people use when using the microphone for voice to text etc. Facebook checkin’s 
etc.  are also part of the mix of data sources. In the rural areas for these 
shorter periods of time they are looking at I am not sure how much sampling 
they get compared to more densely populated regions.  Here are some articles on 
the topic: 
https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/?fbclid=IwAR1OJd6xUliSCACfWjPwbfKTAWgZ_73Dqv_R6k3_MXz6ZVXbTJuw84FNm_Yhttps://www.newsweek.com/google-tracking-peoples-movements-their-communities-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1495915?fbclid=IwAR29LjfHTA68qM63HCWLX0vSycYIDlY9q3B4AnuOrVEJrBwB6tPQ--CW26ghttps://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361?fbclid=IwAR30kyOEx1EcIvs4oXZ00Jd3uH5_euFVEgGlfSMLiBbnBBPMoOGMogXko4ohttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR03RAWL4dJuZg6uXT1TroC_lcQ_xnxAaf5wKNpbKrZYyVeMFPS7R1pTg8c
  Location based data has been available for a while, most of it is supposed to 
be anonymized but you can still glean off a lot of useful information with the 
information. Some of these studies have been put together quite quickly so the 
methodology I see in questions. For instance I see no mention of the makeup of 
the workforce for any given regions. In my area a better than 50% of the 
population could easily be in the essential workforce category being that 
healthcare and the service industry are a majority of the employment. Those 
people are still going to work. Also if you look at the break down of things 
like their letter grades they give to regions the percentages from say a to C 
are very minor and I think that is just to cause more sensationalized results. 
When a 50% reduction in travel is noticed, I would not consider that a D grade 
in a rural area. They are just using numbers from pre and post stay at home 
orders to grade society.  Thank you,Brian Websterwww.wirelessmapping.com
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast
Our local underground facilities location agency says locates are way up.  They 
think people are doing lots of home projects.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast


Opinion:  not very useful. Rural people drive farther to work or shop, that 
doesn’t mean they interact with more people.  I may drive 50 miles to drop off 
radios for my tech to install but not interact with a single person. I saw one 
analysis that blamed it on Walmart for driving all the local stores out of 
business so people in some areas have to drive 20 miles to buy groceries or buy 
supplies.  But again, what matters is probably how crowded that Walmart is and 
whether you practice distancing while shopping, not how far you drive to get 
there. I imagine anonymized cellphone geolocation data is available for this 
purpose, either from what celltowers you are near, or browser and app data.  
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast
I've seen a bunch of articles based on "data" put out by Unacast regarding 
geographies that are better or worse at social distancing. 
They're using travel distance to determine who's good and who's bad.

Is their data worth a shit? You could put 10k phones into 10k cars and drive 
them in circles all day and your reported metric would be through the roof, yet 
there was nearly zero additional risk because people were separated. 
How are they collecting this data? On whose behalf? With what permission?

The only useful data would perhaps be in detecting the change in number of 
visible Bluetooth devices from January to now.


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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[Jaime Solorza]

Wow...nice

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 4:41 PM Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.
>
>
>
> Any input on the following product?
>
>
>
> http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/
>
>
>
>
>
> Tushar
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[AFMUG] OT masks

[chuck]

Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  Walked 
in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom then a 
skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking like a chicken 
when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was not quite calling me a 
chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing, 
but was grandstanding for his skanky woman

Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action.  I 
literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and beans 
with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat punch 
were clear in my head...

But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a dentist 
would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful of other 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Matt Hoppes]

Very confused by this story. Other people wearing masks made fun of you wearing 
a mask?

> On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:43 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  
> Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer 
> mom then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started 
> clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was 
> not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out 
> exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky woman
>  
> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action.  
> I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and 
> beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat 
> punch were clear in my head...
>  
> But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a 
> dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful 
> of other chickens on the way out the store. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
I suppose you could have lifted your mask and coughed on him... I've
been in Bozeman, MT today and it's like they don't even know there
is a pandemic.

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 4/7/20 7:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
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  Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the
grocery store.  Walked in and there was a construction
worker in a mask, then a soccer mom then a skinny
redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking
like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a
video.  Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that
I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing, but was
grandstanding for his skanky woman
   
  Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth
sprung into action.  I literally had to stop myself from
backing him into a display of pork and beans with some
comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a
throat punch were clear in my head...
   
  But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail
or the ER or a dentist would not be fun this evening, and
moved alone.  Ran into a handful of other chickens on the
way out the store.  

  
  
  


  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[chuck]

No, sorry.  The redneck and his woman were not wearing masks.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

Very confused by this story. Other people wearing masks made fun of you wearing 
a mask?

On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:43 PM,   wrote:


  Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  
Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom 
then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking like a 
chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was not quite calling 
me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was 
doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky woman

  Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action.  
I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and 
beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat 
punch were clear in my head...

  But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a 
dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful of 
other chickens on the way out the store.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Ken Hohhof]

“We can’t be brave without fear.”

-Muhammed Ali

 

Of course the crazy part is wearing a mask is not to protect yourself but 
others.  Or to assure others you aren’t going to cough on them.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 9:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

 

No, sorry.  The redneck and his woman were not wearing masks.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:11 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

 

Very confused by this story. Other people wearing masks made fun of you wearing 
a mask?


On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:43 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  Walked 
in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer mom then a 
skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started clucking like a chicken 
when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was not quite calling me a 
chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out exactly what he was doing, 
but was grandstanding for his skanky woman

 

Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action.  I 
literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and beans 
with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat punch 
were clear in my head...

 

But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a dentist 
would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful of other 
chickens on the way out the store.  

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Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

[Daniel White]

Setting up SMS on a DID isn't very hard - depending on the platform you
use it can certainly have some intelligence.  You can even do SMS on
toll-free.

We offer it as an add on for any DID on our platform.

photograph  
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Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations
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direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

Ken Hohhof wrote on 4/6/20 16:22:
> Because obviously you have a cellphone and their phone number is in your
> Contacts.  I'm sure Fortune 500 companies have a cellphone on the
> receptionist's desk as their main phone.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:31 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] SMS Messages
>
> Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But then
> don't even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 'I need to
> update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.
>
> Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet wizards
> will just magically know who they are.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Jaime Solorza]

My daughters and wife have not taken shit from assholesone of them
actually kicked someone at Walmart... almost got arrested...
Stay safe, stay calm

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 7:44 PM  wrote:

> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.
> Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer
> mom then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started
> clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.
> Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make
> out exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky
> woman
>
> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into
> action.  I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of
> pork and beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions
> of a throat punch were clear in my head...
>
> But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a
> dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful
> of other chickens on the way out the store.
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Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes, SMS/MMS messages to our office number get to us as emails via an 
SMS-to-email gateway.

 

The problem is knowing who sent it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 9:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SMS Messages

 

Setting up SMS on a DID isn't very hard - depending on the platform you use it 
can certainly have some intelligence.  You can even do SMS on toll-free.

We offer it as an add on for any DID on our platform.

 


  

 


Daniel White
Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations


phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct: +1 (702) 470-2766



Ken Hohhof wrote on 4/6/20 16:22:



Because obviously you have a cellphone and their phone number is in your
Contacts.  I'm sure Fortune 500 companies have a cellphone on the
receptionist's desk as their main phone.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:31 PM
To: Animal Farm   
Subject: [AFMUG] SMS Messages
 
Why do customers send an SMS message to the main office number.  But then
don't even say who they are?  I just got one in,  All it says is 'I need to
update my credit card'  No other info, no Name, nothing.
 
Do people think SMS is some sort of magic, and we as the internet wizards
will just magically know who they are.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Bozeman is absolutely the place you don't want to be in Montana right now.

https://montana.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=7c34f3412536439491adcc2103421d4b


~ 30 cases per 10K..population.   Not as bad as some of the hotspots, but
it's definitely where this is starting to get out of control.



On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:14 PM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> I suppose you could have lifted your mask and coughed on him... I've been
> in Bozeman, MT today and it's like they don't even know there is a pandemic.
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
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>
> On 4/7/20 7:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.
> Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer
> mom then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started
> clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.
> Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make
> out exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky
> woman
>
> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into
> action.  I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of
> pork and beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions
> of a throat punch were clear in my head...
>
> But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a
> dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful
> of other chickens on the way out the store.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I would have probably said something like "I'm wearing this for *your*
benefit *not* mine.   Don't call me a chicken for protecting your life.".





On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:23 PM  wrote:

> No, sorry.  The redneck and his woman were not wearing masks.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
>
> Very confused by this story. Other people wearing masks made fun of you
> wearing a mask?
>
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:43 PM,   wrote:
>
> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.
> Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer
> mom then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started
> clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.
> Was not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make
> out exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky
> woman
>
> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into
> action.  I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of
> pork and beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions
> of a throat punch were clear in my head...
>
> But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a
> dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful
> of other chickens on the way out the store.
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