[AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8
central which is 7am my time.

Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been on
the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Adam Moffett]

I guess I lucked out that it's 9am Eastern.


On 3/17/2020 4:31 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's 
at 8 central which is 7am my time.


Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?  I'm not 
particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've 
been on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Jay Weekley]

I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% 
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i 
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
the next few weeks and months.

-forrest

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
would buy Tesla right now.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
big chunk of change into the index funds.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
they can’t find daycare.

How these people are going to pay their bills if they
have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
if you do pickup or delivery

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] looking for contacts with Crown Castle and American Tower

[James Brabner via AF]

I don't know how old his contact information is and he's probably not 
responsible for the area you're in but.


[Blake Hooper]

James Brabner, B.S.E.E.
Transmission Engineer
EATEL  "We Bring You There"

913 S. Burnside Avenue
Gonzales, LA  70737-4258
(225) 621-4731 TEL
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To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] looking for contacts with Crown Castle and American Tower

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Carl Peterson]

FYI Steve childrens Motrin is exactly the same as infant motrin.  Same
Mg/Ml.  Infants just costs 5X as much per ML and comes in a smaller
bottle.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 9:10 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I was thinking about this today when i stopped at the 4th store looking
> for infant motrin. I used the public restroom. handsfree urinal, handsfree
> soap, handsfree sink, handsfree paper towel, looped door handle for opening
> with the elbow. Other than our nasty elbows, we are a pretty aseptic nation
> as a whole. Its quite possible we are more prepared than we think and this
> thing hasnt hit everyone elses curve here because we just dont have as much
> of it. (i know, i know, we have only done 30 some thousand tests, but of
> those, most are negative, 4600 or so)
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Nate Burke]

Did this only get sent to people who registered for the WISPA show? I 
didn't get a notice about this webinar.  I'll have to see if the Boss 
did, he was registered to go.


On 3/17/2020 8:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I guess I lucked out that it's 9am Eastern.


On 3/17/2020 4:31 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's 
at 8 central which is 7am my time.


Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've 
been on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Adam Moffett]

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the 
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other 
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever 
they wanted.


"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning 
label embossed on the forehead of each human.


I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I 
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.




On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% 
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i 
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


    I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
    the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
    the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
    soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
    the next few weeks and months.

    -forrest

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
    would buy Tesla right now.

    Sent from my iPhone


    On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
    mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

    
    I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
    big chunk of change into the index funds.


    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
    work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
    kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
    they can’t find daycare.

    How these people are going to pay their bills if they
    have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

    Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

    *From:* AF     > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
Jones

    *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

    Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
    if you do pickup or delivery

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> central which is 7am my time.  
> 
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been on 
> the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Adam Moffett]

I believe this is our consolation for the cancelled show.  There was a 
webinar last night, and two more so far coming this week.


I hope there are more.



On 3/17/2020 9:47 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Did this only get sent to people who registered for the WISPA show?  I 
didn't get a notice about this webinar.  I'll have to see if the Boss 
did, he was registered to go.


On 3/17/2020 8:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


I guess I lucked out that it's 9am Eastern.


On 3/17/2020 4:31 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however 
it's at 8 central which is 7am my time.


Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've 
been on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... you 
used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and post 
it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/

Thanks!
Matt

 

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> central which is 7am my time.  
> 
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been on 
> the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> 
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[AFMUG] school district kml maps

[Steve Jones]

do any of you degenerates know where a guy can get school district maps for
illinois in kml form?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Ken Hohhof]

Why am I thinking a lot of people are like Barney Fife.  They should be allowed 
one bullet, and should be required to keep it in their shirt pocket until Andy 
says they can put it in the gun.  Not bad people, but as you say "may exhibit 
poor behavior".  No scenario I can think of requires thousands of rounds of 
ammunition, unless they intend on going to the gun range to shoot targets 
because the movie theaters are closed.  Or maybe they are going to hunt meat 
for dinner, but the only game available is incredibly small, like crickets or 
mice.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the Susquehanna 
River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other bad elements went 
through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning label 
embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I 
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
> hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?
>
> Steve Jones wrote:
>> background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
>> quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
>> thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
>> handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% 
>> surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i 
>> expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
>> the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
>> the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
>> soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
>> the next few weeks and months.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>> Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
>> would buy Tesla right now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
>>> big chunk of change into the index funds.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
>>> work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
>>> kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
>>> they can’t find daycare.
>>>
>>> How these people are going to pay their bills if they
>>> have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.
>>>
>>> Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.
>>>
>>> https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16
>>>
>>> *From:* AF >> > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
>>> Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad
>>>
>>> Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
>>> if you do pickup or delivery
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] school district kml maps

[Eric Muehleisen]

https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/tiger-line-shapefile-2016-state-illinois-current-unified-school-districts-shapefile-state-based

It's shapefile format. You should be able to open it with GE.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> do any of you degenerates know where a guy can get school district maps
> for illinois in kml form?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Jay Weekley]

Statistically, you'll never need to fire your gun and if you do it will 
usually be 3 rounds or less.  A lot of people buy guns, load them, put 
them on the night stand and think they've got everything figured out.


Ken Hohhof wrote:

Why am I thinking a lot of people are like Barney Fife.  They should be allowed one 
bullet, and should be required to keep it in their shirt pocket until Andy says they can 
put it in the gun.  Not bad people, but as you say "may exhibit poor behavior". 
 No scenario I can think of requires thousands of rounds of ammunition, unless they 
intend on going to the gun range to shoot targets because the movie theaters are closed.  
Or maybe they are going to hunt meat for dinner, but the only game available is 
incredibly small, like crickets or mice.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the Susquehanna 
River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other bad elements went 
through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning label 
embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I 
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?

Steve Jones wrote:

background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68%
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
 the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
 the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
 soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
 the next few weeks and months.

 -forrest

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
 would buy Tesla right now.

 Sent from my iPhone


 On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 
 I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
 big chunk of change into the index funds.


 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

 Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
 work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
 kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
 they can’t find daycare.

 How these people are going to pay their bills if they
 have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

 Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

 Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
 if you do pickup or delivery

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[chuck]

I try to remember the South's slogan too.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever
they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning
label embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% surge 
in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i expect to be 
voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
the next few weeks and months.

-forrest

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
would buy Tesla right now.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
big chunk of change into the index funds.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
they can’t find daycare.

How these people are going to pay their bills if they
have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
if you do pickup or delivery

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Adam Moffett]

I shooting a copper thief a good turn or a bad turn?

On 3/17/2020 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I try to remember the South's slogan too.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever
they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning
label embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% 
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i 
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


    I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
    the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while. I play
    the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
    soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
    the next few weeks and months.

    -forrest

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
    would buy Tesla right now.

    Sent from my iPhone


    On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
    mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

    
    I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
    big chunk of change into the index funds.


    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
    work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines. Or whose
    kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
    they can’t find daycare.

    How these people are going to pay their bills if they
    have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

    Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

    *From:* AF     > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
Jones

    *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

    Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
    if you do pickup or delivery

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[chuck]

It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that 
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It 
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.


Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm 
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
there were too many problems.


So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to 
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
show and our main means of marketing each year.


But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants... 
At least WispAmerica asked permission...


-Original Message- 
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF

Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Matt Mangriotis
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... 
you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.


In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 
post it to our forum.


If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/


Thanks!
Matt



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:



I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
central which is 7am my time.


Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been 
on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[chuck]

I am afraid I would wake up in a "fugue state" and shoot myself or my wife 
or grandkid if I had a weapon on the nightstand.


-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Statistically, you'll never need to fire your gun and if you do it will
usually be 3 rounds or less.  A lot of people buy guns, load them, put
them on the night stand and think they've got everything figured out.

Ken Hohhof wrote:
Why am I thinking a lot of people are like Barney Fife.  They should be 
allowed one bullet, and should be required to keep it in their shirt 
pocket until Andy says they can put it in the gun.  Not bad people, but as 
you say "may exhibit poor behavior".  No scenario I can think of requires 
thousands of rounds of ammunition, unless they intend on going to the gun 
range to shoot targets because the movie theaters are closed.  Or maybe 
they are going to hunt meat for dinner, but the only game available is 
incredibly small, like crickets or mice.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the 
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other bad 
elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever they 
wanted.


"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning label 
embossed on the forehead of each human.


I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I 
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.




On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?

Steve Jones wrote:

background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68%
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
 the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
 the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
 soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
 the next few weeks and months.

 -forrest

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
 would buy Tesla right now.

 Sent from my iPhone


 On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 
 I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
 big chunk of change into the index funds.


 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

 Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
 work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
 kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
 they can’t find daycare.

 How these people are going to pay their bills if they
 have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

 Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

 Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
 if you do pickup or delivery

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Bill Prince]

When I think about the few times I have gone deer hunting; a few times 
with a rifle, and a few times with a bow. The times I've gone with a 
rifle, I have shot one, and occasionally two rounds. The times that I've 
gone with a bow, I've shot several arrows. Now maybe I'm just a lousy 
shot with a bow, but OTOH a quiver only holds 5 or 6 arrows, but it has 
always been enough.



bp


On 3/17/2020 7:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Why am I thinking a lot of people are like Barney Fife.  They should be allowed one 
bullet, and should be required to keep it in their shirt pocket until Andy says they can 
put it in the gun.  Not bad people, but as you say "may exhibit poor behavior". 
 No scenario I can think of requires thousands of rounds of ammunition, unless they 
intend on going to the gun range to shoot targets because the movie theaters are closed.  
Or maybe they are going to hunt meat for dinner, but the only game available is 
incredibly small, like crickets or mice.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the Susquehanna 
River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other bad elements went 
through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning label 
embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I 
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?

Steve Jones wrote:

background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68%
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
 the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
 the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
 soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
 the next few weeks and months.

 -forrest

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
 would buy Tesla right now.

 Sent from my iPhone


 On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 
 I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
 big chunk of change into the index funds.


 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

 Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
 work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
 kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
 they can’t find daycare.

 How these people are going to pay their bills if they
 have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

 Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

 Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
 if you do pickup or delivery

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Jay Weekley]

What is the South's slogan?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I try to remember the South's slogan too.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever
they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning
label embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% 
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i 
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while. I play
the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
the next few weeks and months.

-forrest

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
would buy Tesla right now.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
big chunk of change into the index funds.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines. Or whose
kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
they can’t find daycare.

How these people are going to pay their bills if they
have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

*From:* AF > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
Jones

*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
if you do pickup or delivery

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Jay Weekley]

That is definitely a consideration when deciding whether or not to get a 
gun.


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am afraid I would wake up in a "fugue state" and shoot myself or my 
wife or grandkid if I had a weapon on the nightstand.


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Statistically, you'll never need to fire your gun and if you do it will
usually be 3 rounds or less.  A lot of people buy guns, load them, put
them on the night stand and think they've got everything figured out.

Ken Hohhof wrote:
Why am I thinking a lot of people are like Barney Fife.  They should 
be allowed one bullet, and should be required to keep it in their 
shirt pocket until Andy says they can put it in the gun.  Not bad 
people, but as you say "may exhibit poor behavior".  No scenario I 
can think of requires thousands of rounds of ammunition, unless they 
intend on going to the gun range to shoot targets because the movie 
theaters are closed.  Or maybe they are going to hunt meat for 
dinner, but the only game available is incredibly small, like 
crickets or mice.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the 
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other 
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did 
whatever they wanted.


"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning 
label embossed on the forehead of each human.


I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, 
but I haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.




On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?

Steve Jones wrote:

background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68%
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
 the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
 the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away 
anytime

 soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
 the next few weeks and months.

 -forrest

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
 would buy Tesla right now.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List 
Account)

 mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 
 I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to 
dump a

 big chunk of change into the index funds.


 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

 Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
 work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
 kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
 they can’t find daycare.

 How these people are going to pay their bills if they
 have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

 Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

 Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
 if you do pickup or delivery

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[chuck]

Alamo?
South shall rise again

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

What is the South's slogan?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I try to remember the South's slogan too.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever
they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning
label embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% surge 
in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i expect to 
be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while. I play
the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
the next few weeks and months.

-forrest

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
would buy Tesla right now.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
big chunk of change into the index funds.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines. Or whose
kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
they can’t find daycare.

How these people are going to pay their bills if they
have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

*From:* AF > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
Jones

*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
if you do pickup or delivery

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] school district kml maps

[Steve Jones]

Man! that is perfect! thank you

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:37 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

>
> https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/tiger-line-shapefile-2016-state-illinois-current-unified-school-districts-shapefile-state-based
>
> It's shapefile format. You should be able to open it with GE.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> do any of you degenerates know where a guy can get school district maps
>> for illinois in kml form?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Jay Weekley]

It's actually "hold my beer".

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Alamo?
South shall rise again

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

What is the South's slogan?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I try to remember the South's slogan too.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did whatever
they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning
label embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but I
haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to 
going quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt 
cleared from thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from 
saturday on a handgun already cleared. ammo.com  
has had a 68% surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine 
announced today i expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while. I play
the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
the next few weeks and months.

-forrest

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
would buy Tesla right now.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
big chunk of change into the index funds.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines. Or whose
kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
they can’t find daycare.

How these people are going to pay their bills if they
have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

*From:* AF > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
Jones

*Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
if you do pickup or delivery

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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[AFMUG] Equipment Supply Chains

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Yesterday on the US Telecom conference call in which there was over 150
called in there was a mention of cargo ships lined up at ports on the west
coast that were not getting unloaded. Is this actually happening? What does
this mean for the next 3 months supply chain? I could see situations where
even if we can get radios, cpes, we won't be able to do installs because of
things like outdoor CAT5e cable and RJ45 crimp connectors are scarce. What
about Cambium PMP450 radios? Those are made in Mexico right? What if the
virus hits mexico bad enough that they have to shut down factories? I'm
worried about all this.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Adam Moffett]

Hah, I actually thought he meant "Scout's slogan" which would be "Do a 
good turn daily."


I was going to ask if shooting looters was a good turn or a bad one.


On 3/17/2020 11:09 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

It's actually "hold my beer".

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Alamo?
South shall rise again

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

What is the South's slogan?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I try to remember the South's slogan too.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the
Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other
bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did 
whatever

they wanted.

"Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning
label embossed on the forehead of each human.

I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, 
but I

haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.



On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid 
that hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to 
going quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt 
cleared from thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from 
saturday on a handgun already cleared. ammo.com  
has had a 68% surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine 
announced today i expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


    I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
    the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while. I play
    the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away 
anytime

    soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
    the next few weeks and months.

    -forrest

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
    would buy Tesla right now.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List 
Account)

    mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

    
    I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to 
dump a

    big chunk of change into the index funds.


    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
    work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines. Or whose
    kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
    they can’t find daycare.

    How these people are going to pay their bills if they
    have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

    Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

    *From:* AF     > *On Behalf Of 
*Steve Jones

    *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

    Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
    if you do pickup or delivery

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] seriously, we have to say 5G does not cause coronavirus?

[Trey Scarborough]

Umm that is completely possible could you image what will happen when 3D 
immersed Pokimon GO comes out. So probably not a good example to 
dissuade people from thinking 5G is bad.


On 3/16/2020 1:08 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

or at least turn people into mindless zombies.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Ken Hohhof]

That is not condoned.  But one can be amused by karma.  Google "copper thief 
electrocuted".

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:50 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

I shooting a copper thief a good turn or a bad turn?

On 3/17/2020 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I try to remember the South's slogan too.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 7:48 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad
>
> Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior.  Seen it when the 
> Susquehanna River flooded in 2006 and 2011.  Copper thieves and other 
> bad elements went through whole streets of empty houses and did 
> whatever they wanted.
>
> "Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior" should be a warning 
> label embossed on the forehead of each human.
>
> I absolutely do NOT expect to need a firearm in the coming months, but 
> I haven't forgotten the Scout's motto either.
>
>
>
> On 3/17/2020 9:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
>> hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?
>>
>> Steve Jones wrote:
>>> background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
>>> quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
>>> thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
>>> handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% 
>>> surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i 
>>> expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more 
>>> of
>>> the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while. I play
>>> the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away 
>>> anytime
>>> soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
>>> the next few weeks and months.
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
>>> would buy Tesla right now.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List 
 Account)
 mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

 
 I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump 
 a
 big chunk of change into the index funds.


 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof >>> > wrote:

 Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
 work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines. Or whose
 kids are home from school for the foreseeable future 
 and
 they can’t find daycare.

 How these people are going to pay their bills if they
 have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

 Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

 https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

 *From:* AF >>> > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
 Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

 Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
 if you do pickup or delivery

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM >>> > wrote:

 You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

[Trey Scarborough]

I think it is just compounded because its an election year and it being 
one of the big topics for debate. There is always a hording of firearms 
with the fear of the next wave of politicians changing.  I just think 
the Covid-19 just triggered it early because it is another very 
politically charged subject.


I already wanted to open up a gun store this year, but now with the 
stupid virus I think it I would have needed to be much farther along 
than I am now.


Also unfortunately for My family my wife runs a trade show bushiness so 
I think that is worse than a restaurant, hotel or airline




On 3/17/2020 8:30 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I don't understand the run on guns and ammo.  Are people afraid that 
hoards are going to be going door to door stealing toilet paper?


Steve Jones wrote:
background checks on gun purchase are screwy, handguns seem to going 
quickly, long guns are taking longer, mine still hasnt cleared from 
thursday, none of the long guns have, my nieces from saturday on a 
handgun already cleared. ammo.com  has had a 68% 
surge in online purchases. the pseudo quarantine announced today i 
expect to be voluntary until the primaries are over



On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


    I'm going to hold off a bit, but I might end up with some more of
    the individual stocks I have wanted to buy for a while.   I play
    the long game, and buy companies I don't expect to go away anytime
    soon.  There are going to be some really good values to buy over
    the next few weeks and months.

    -forrest

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:12 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    Now might be a good time to buy.  If I had pre drop money I
    would buy Tesla right now.

    Sent from my iPhone


    On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
    mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

    
    I'm now really really really glad I decided to wait to dump a
    big chunk of change into the index funds.


    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:19 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    Unfortunately we all probably have customers who own or
    work at bars, restaurants, hotels or airlines.  Or whose
    kids are home from school for the foreseeable future and
    they can’t find daycare.

    How these people are going to pay their bills if they
    have no income (business or personal), I don’t know.

    Myself, I need this job, my 401K is toast.

https://www.gocomics.com/rabbitsagainstmagic/2020/03/16

    *From:* AF     > *On Behalf Of *Steve 
Jones

    *Sent:* Monday, March 16, 2020 1:26 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Aintcha glad

    Restaurant wouldnt be all that terrible, lower overhead
    if you do pickup or delivery

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    You don’t own a bar, restaurant, hotel or airline...

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Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Supply Chains

[Adam Moffett]

I read an article saying that major ports were implementing a 14 day 
quarantine on arriving ships.  Not that they're stuck forever, but 
queuing up for 2 weeks.


I haven't read that specifically about the US West Coast, but it's 
probably true there.  If they're NOT doing it they probably should be.  
There was also several weeks of disruption to manufacturing in parts of 
China.  Apparently they're coming back online now.  An article I read 
claimed supply chain disruption could last into May, but the article 
didn't discuss specific products affected.


It might be revealing to learn what was manufactured in the facilities 
that were shut down in China, but I wouldn't know where to find such info.



On 3/17/2020 11:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Yesterday on the US Telecom conference call in which there was over 
150 called in there was a mention of cargo ships lined up at ports on 
the west coast that were not getting unloaded. Is this actually 
happening? What does this mean for the next 3 months supply chain? I 
could see situations where even if we can get radios, cpes, we won't 
be able to do installs because of things like outdoor CAT5e cable and 
RJ45 crimp connectors are scarce. What about Cambium PMP450 radios? 
Those are made in Mexico right? What if the virus hits mexico bad 
enough that they have to shut down factories? I'm worried about all this.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Chuck Macenski]

The irony...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:51 AM  wrote:

> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
> It
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
> AnimalFarm
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
> there were too many problems.
>
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
> to
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
> descendants...
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
> Fairpark...
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
> post it to our forum.
>
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
> to
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>
> Thanks!
> Matt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at
> 8
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> >
> > --
> > - Forrest
> > --
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> >
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Josh Luthman]

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.
We should start a club :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:

> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
> It
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
> AnimalFarm
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
> there were too many problems.
>
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
> to
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
> descendants...
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
> Fairpark...
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
> post it to our forum.
>
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
> to
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>
> Thanks!
> Matt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at
> 8
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> >
> > --
> > - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
there were too many problems.

So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
show and our main means of marketing each year.

But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants...
At least WispAmerica asked permission...

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Matt Mangriotis
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark...
you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
post it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/

Thanks!
Matt



-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8
> central which is 7am my time.
>
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
>
> --
> - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[George Skorup]

Cambium is sooo *NOT* Motorola anymore. And I don't think it's fair for us
to keep throwing that in their face. There's still some Motorola technical
DNA, and that is good. Just my opinion.

*George Skorup*
*Network Engineer*
(219)326-5252 x7105



On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:02 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
wrote:

> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
> any kind of trust...
>
>
>
> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>
>
>
> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
> always give you credit during my introduction.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
>
>
> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.
> We should start a club :)
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>
> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
> It
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
> AnimalFarm
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
> there were too many problems.
>
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
> to
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
> descendants...
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
> Fairpark...
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
> post it to our forum.
>
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
> to
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
> 
>
> Thanks!
> Matt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at
> 8
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> >
> > --
> > - Forrest
> > --
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Ken Hohhof]

One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was getting to 
throw questions at actual product managers and developers from Motorola (now 
Cambium).

 

Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where they 
ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that something else?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

 

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

 

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that 
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It 
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm 
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
there were too many problems.

So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to 
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
show and our main means of marketing each year.

But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants... 
At least WispAmerica asked permission...

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Matt Mangriotis
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... 
you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 
post it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/ 

 

Thanks!
Matt



-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:
>
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> central which is 7am my time.
>
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been 
> on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
>
> -- 
> - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

You can still do this… probably via the “question box” and not your voice, but 
I am planning to keep the webinar going tomorrow to answer everything we can. 
There are a large number of us (engineering included) attending that can get 
real-time answers to your questions.

We will also be sending out a “one on one” or private appointment sign up if 
you need to talk with us about something specific (that you may not want to do 
in front of an audience)… like a virtual booth where you can stop by and 
discuss something.  Be on the lookout for this sign-up on our website.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was getting to 
throw questions at actual product managers and developers from Motorola (now 
Cambium).

Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where they 
ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that something else?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

Matt

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
there were too many problems.

So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
show and our main means of marketing each year.

But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants...
At least WispAmerica asked permission...

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Matt Mangriotis
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark...
you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
post it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/

Thanks!
Matt



-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>
> 
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8
> central which is 7am my time.
>
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
>
> --
> - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

Sorry, did not realize it was part of WispAmerica.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
> kind of trust...
>  
> This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
> Jaime’s creation).
>  
> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I 
> always give you credit during my introduction.
>  
> Matt
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>  
> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
> should start a club :)
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that 
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It 
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
> 
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm 
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
> there were too many problems.
> 
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to 
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
> 
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants... 
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
> 
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... 
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
> 
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 
> post it to our forum.
> 
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
> 
> Thanks!
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been 
> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> >
> > -- 
> > - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Jason McKemie]

The city here now has a hotline for reporting households that are
infected.  They say it is for self reporting, but that you can call
anonymously...hmmm.

https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients


It seems like a kind of sweet justice if the crowds of hoarders infected
each other when they went to do their dirty deeds.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are running amok, I
> went in the other day and immediately turned around.  I swear it’s scarier
> than the virus.
>
>
>
> But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh produce.
> So now I’m wondering if they were stocking up on potatoes.  Whenever I buy
> baking potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get for 49 cents a pound.
> And you don’t have to freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you have a
> bunker, that’s probably where you should be storing your potatoes anyway.
> I think it used to be called a root cellar.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Robert
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them" from inside
> their underground bunker...
>
> On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
> Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped for this long
> time ago its these fake preppers messing everything up
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
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[AFMUG] Spare Waveguide?

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Anybody got a spare waveguide for a dragonwave / andrew dish?  Hoping to not 
have to wait the 4-6 weeks from andrews to fix one that got damaged from ice.

Looking for a 11GHz 36” (or longer) Dragonwave clip mount to Andrew/Commscope 
dish. 

Shoot me an email if so.

Thanks!

Cassidy





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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[chuck]

Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show. 
I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit supporting 
them.

Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them.  

There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was getting to 
throw questions at actual product managers and developers from Motorola (now 
Cambium).

 

Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where they 
ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that something else?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

 

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

 

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

 

Matt

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:

  It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that 
  suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It 
  was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

  Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm 
  but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
  meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
  there were too many problems.

  So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to 
  come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
  AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
  show and our main means of marketing each year.

  But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants... 
  At least WispAmerica asked permission...

  -Original Message- 
  From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Cc: Matt Mangriotis
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

  Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

  We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... 
  you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

  In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 
  post it to our forum.

  If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
  virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
  https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/

  Thanks!
  Matt



  -Original Message-
  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

  Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  >  wrote:
  >
  > 
  > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
  > central which is 7am my time.
  >
  > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
  > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been 
  > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
  >
  > -- 
  > - Forrest
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Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Supply Chains

[Mike Hammett]

I fail to see the purpose of a two week hold on a ship that already spent 3 
weeks at sea. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:17:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Supply Chains 


I read an article saying that major ports were implementing a 14 day quarantine 
on arriving ships. Not that they're stuck forever, but queuing up for 2 weeks. 
I haven't read that specifically about the US West Coast, but it's probably 
true there. If they're NOT doing it they probably should be. There was also 
several weeks of disruption to manufacturing in parts of China. Apparently 
they're coming back online now. An article I read claimed supply chain 
disruption could last into May, but the article didn't discuss specific 
products affected. 

It might be revealing to learn what was manufactured in the facilities that 
were shut down in China, but I wouldn't know where to find such info. 



On 3/17/2020 11:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 



Yesterday on the US Telecom conference call in which there was over 150 called 
in there was a mention of cargo ships lined up at ports on the west coast that 
were not getting unloaded. Is this actually happening? What does this mean for 
the next 3 months supply chain? I could see situations where even if we can get 
radios, cpes, we won't be able to do installs because of things like outdoor 
CAT5e cable and RJ45 crimp connectors are scarce. What about Cambium PMP450 
radios? Those are made in Mexico right? What if the virus hits mexico bad 
enough that they have to shut down factories? I'm worried about all this. 



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Re: [AFMUG] school district kml maps

[Mike Hammett]

Keep in mind this is only Unified school districts. Illinois has three types of 
school districts. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:07:43 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] school district kml maps 


Man! that is perfect! thank you 


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:37 AM Eric Muehleisen < ericm...@gmail.com > wrote: 




https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/tiger-line-shapefile-2016-state-illinois-current-unified-school-districts-shapefile-state-based
 


It's shapefile format. You should be able to open it with GE. 



On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



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Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Supply Chains

[Bill Prince]

  
  
They just removed the people they knew were infected a few days
  ago. The biggest issue is the time it takes to manifest the
  illness and that some people can be infectious even when they
  have  no apparent illness.


https://gizmodo.com/covid-19-is-spreading-far-and-wide-from-people-who-dont-1842363183


bp



On 3/17/2020 12:12 PM, Mike Hammett
  wrote:


  
  
  I fail to see the purpose of a two week
hold on a ship that already spent 3 weeks at sea.


  
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  
  Midwest Internet Exchange
  
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From:
  "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:17:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Equipment Supply Chains
  
  I read an article saying that major ports were implementing
a 14 day quarantine on arriving ships.  Not that they're
stuck forever, but queuing up for 2 weeks.
  I haven't read that specifically about the US West Coast,
but it's probably true there.  If they're NOT doing it they
probably should be.  There was also several weeks of
disruption to manufacturing in parts of China.  Apparently
they're coming back online now.  An article I read claimed
supply chain disruption could last into May, but the article
didn't discuss specific products affected. 
  
   It might be revealing to learn what was manufactured in
the facilities that were shut down in China, but I wouldn't
know where to find such info.
  
  
  
  On 3/17/2020 11:11 AM, Kurt
Fankhauser wrote:
  
  
Yesterday on the US Telecom conference call
  in which there was over 150 called in there was a mention
  of cargo ships lined up at ports on the west coast that
  were not getting unloaded. Is this actually happening?
  What does this mean for the next 3 months supply chain? I
  could see situations where even if we can get radios,
  cpes, we won't be able to do installs because of things
  like outdoor CAT5e cable and RJ45 crimp connectors are
  scarce. What about Cambium PMP450 radios? Those are made
  in Mexico right? What if the virus hits mexico bad enough
  that they have to shut down factories? I'm worried about
  all this.


  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Cameron Crum]

ahh the brown shirts


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> The city here now has a hotline for reporting households that are
> infected.  They say it is for self reporting, but that you can call
> anonymously...hmmm.
>
>
> https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients
>
>
> It seems like a kind of sweet justice if the crowds of hoarders infected
> each other when they went to do their dirty deeds.
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are running amok, I
>> went in the other day and immediately turned around.  I swear it’s scarier
>> than the virus.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh produce.
>> So now I’m wondering if they were stocking up on potatoes.  Whenever I buy
>> baking potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get for 49 cents a pound.
>> And you don’t have to freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you have a
>> bunker, that’s probably where you should be storing your potatoes anyway.
>> I think it used to be called a root cellar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Robert
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them" from inside
>> their underground bunker...
>>
>> On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>>
>> Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped for this long
>> time ago its these fake preppers messing everything up
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Josh Luthman]

You should attend more of the show, Chuck!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:

> Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show.
> I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit
> supporting them.
>
> Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them.
>
> There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
>
> One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was getting
> to throw questions at actual product managers and developers from Motorola
> (now Cambium).
>
>
>
> Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where
> they ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that
> something else?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Matt Mangriotis 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
>
>
> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
> any kind of trust...
>
>
>
> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>
>
>
> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
> always give you credit during my introduction.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
>
>
> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.
> We should start a club :)
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>
> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
> It
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
> AnimalFarm
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
> there were too many problems.
>
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
> to
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
> descendants...
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
> Fairpark...
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
> post it to our forum.
>
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
> to
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
> 
>
> Thanks!
> Matt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at
> 8
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> >
> > --
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Mark Radabaugh]

Now is not the time.  Staff is still dealing with the aftermath of Dallas.   
Give it some time.

Mark

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> You should attend more of the show, Chuck!
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> wrote:
> Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show.
> I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit supporting 
> them.
>  
> Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them. 
>  
> There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...
>  
>  
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof <>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>  
> One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was getting to 
> throw questions at actual product managers and developers from Motorola (now 
> Cambium).
> 
>  
> 
> Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where 
> they ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that 
> something else?
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
>  
> 
> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
> kind of trust...
> 
>  
> 
> This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
> Jaime’s creation).
> 
>  
> 
> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I 
> always give you credit during my introduction.
> 
>  
> 
> Matt
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
>  
> 
> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
> should start a club :)
> 
>  
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM > wrote:
> 
> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that 
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It 
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
> 
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm 
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
> there were too many problems.
> 
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to 
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
> 
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants... 
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
> 
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark... 
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
> 
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 
> post it to our forum.
> 
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to 
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend): 
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/ 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> > > wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8 
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not 
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early,

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[can...@believewireless.net]

I was honestly kind of shocked to see an Animal Farm reference not coming
from Chuck. I assumed it was done with permission.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:08 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Now is not the time.  Staff is still dealing with the aftermath of Dallas.
>   Give it some time.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> You should attend more of the show, Chuck!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show.
>> I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit
>> supporting them.
>>
>> Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them.
>>
>> There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>> One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was
>> getting to throw questions at actual product managers and developers from
>> Motorola (now Cambium).
>>
>>
>>
>> Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where
>> they ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that
>> something else?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via
>> AF
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Matt Mangriotis 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
>> any kind of trust...
>>
>>
>>
>> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
>> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
>> always give you credit during my introduction.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware
>> link.  We should start a club :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and
>> that
>> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
>> It
>> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>>
>> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
>> AnimalFarm
>> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
>> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
>> there were too many problems.
>>
>> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
>> to
>> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
>> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
>> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>>
>> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
>> descendants...
>> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>>
>> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
>> Fairpark...
>> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>>
>> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
>> post it to our forum.
>>
>> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
>> to
>> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>> 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's
>> at 8
>> > central which is 7

Re: [AFMUG] school district kml maps

[Steve Jones]

This had what I needed

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:16 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Keep in mind this is only Unified school districts. Illinois has three
> types of school districts.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:07:43 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] school district kml maps
>
> Man! that is perfect! thank you
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:37 AM Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/tiger-line-shapefile-2016-state-illinois-current-unified-school-districts-shapefile-state-based
>>
>> It's shapefile format. You should be able to open it with GE.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> do any of you degenerates know where a guy can get school district maps
>>> for illinois in kml form?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Steve Jones]

Were from the government and we are here to help

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 2:29 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> ahh the brown shirts
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> The city here now has a hotline for reporting households that are
>> infected.  They say it is for self reporting, but that you can call
>> anonymously...hmmm.
>>
>>
>> https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients
>>
>>
>> It seems like a kind of sweet justice if the crowds of hoarders infected
>> each other when they went to do their dirty deeds.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are running amok, I
>>> went in the other day and immediately turned around.  I swear it’s scarier
>>> than the virus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh produce.
>>> So now I’m wondering if they were stocking up on potatoes.  Whenever I buy
>>> baking potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get for 49 cents a pound.
>>> And you don’t have to freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you have a
>>> bunker, that’s probably where you should be storing your potatoes anyway.
>>> I think it used to be called a root cellar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Robert
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them" from inside
>>> their underground bunker...
>>>
>>> On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>>>
>>> Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped for this long
>>> time ago its these fake preppers messing everything up
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Date: 03/14/20 01:41
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Ken Hohhof]

Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and they 
were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I didn’t even 
venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to starve.  When the crazy 
hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go inside a grocery store, I was 
more afraid of the crazies than the virus or gosh forbid running out of TP.

 

Governor just did his daily status update.  2 days ago there was a reported 
case of Covid-19 in a patient at a Willowbrook long term care center.  Now 48 
hours later they have found 22 cases at that facility, I think it was 18 
patients and 4 staff.  Your guess if it spread to 22 people in 48 hours, or 
testing found 22 more people who already had it, or some combination.  Either 
way, that’s unsettling.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 2:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

 

ahh the brown shirts

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

The city here now has a hotline for reporting households that are infected.  
They say it is for self reporting, but that you can call anonymously...hmmm.

 

https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients
 

 

It seems like a kind of sweet justice if the crowds of hoarders infected each 
other when they went to do their dirty deeds.

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are running amok, I went 
in the other day and immediately turned around.  I swear it’s scarier than the 
virus.

 

But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh produce.  So now 
I’m wondering if they were stocking up on potatoes.  Whenever I buy baking 
potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get for 49 cents a pound.  And you don’t 
have to freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you have a bunker, that’s probably 
where you should be storing your potatoes anyway.  I think it used to be called 
a root cellar.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

 

Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them" from inside their 
underground bunker...

On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped for this long time 
ago its these fake preppers messing everything up

 

 

 


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From: ch...@wbmfg.com  
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Date: 03/14/20 01:41
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Preppers


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and 
they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I 
didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go 
inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus 
or gosh forbid running out of TP.



I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched.


A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.


The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.

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[can...@believewireless.net]

Do you really need anything else to live on?

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go."



On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and
> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I
> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>
>
> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
> bins section was mostly untouched.
>
> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>
> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I know that in the past it was done with permission.

I also know for a 100% fact that at least one of the Quids (or is it the
Quo) is still being honored.

I suspect this is more of a situation that WISPA continued on after Chuck
quit being involved and no one had a discussion about how to go forward.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:02 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> I was honestly kind of shocked to see an Animal Farm reference not coming
> from Chuck. I assumed it was done with permission.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:08 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> Now is not the time.  Staff is still dealing with the aftermath of
>> Dallas.   Give it some time.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You should attend more of the show, Chuck!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show.
>>> I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit
>>> supporting them.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them.
>>>
>>> There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>
>>>
>>> One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was
>>> getting to throw questions at actual product managers and developers from
>>> Motorola (now Cambium).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one
>>> where they ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that
>>> something else?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis via
>>> AF
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Matt Mangriotis 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
>>> any kind of trust...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
>>> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
>>> always give you credit during my introduction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware
>>> link.  We should start a club :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and
>>> that
>>> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
>>> It
>>> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>>>
>>> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
>>> AnimalFarm
>>> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
>>> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
>>> there were too many problems.
>>>
>>> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite
>>> everyone to
>>> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
>>> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our
>>> trade
>>> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>>>
>>> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
>>> descendants...
>>> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>
>>> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>>>
>>> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
>>> Fairpark...
>>> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>>>
>>> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it
>>> and
>>> post it to our forum.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're
>>> doing to
>>> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
>>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[James Howard]

I went to the local grocery store to get lunch and see how it was.  Everything 
except TP seemed stocked normally.  Someone was asking the manager as I walked 
past him in the pizza aisle when they were expecting more TP and he said 
tomorrow.

As far as the numbers and testing, the CDC has said that the typical time from 
exposure to symptoms is 2 days.  I worked at a nursing home while I was in 
college and it wouldn’t be difficult for a mobile patient to come in contact 
with WAY more people than that in a day, let along two.  That said, how many of 
those people who tested positive in that care facility actually have symptoms?  
I assume that since they found a case (which presumably was tested because that 
patient was showing symptoms) they tested everyone else in the facility.  How 
many of those people actually would have tested positive at the same time that 
the first case did if they had been tested right away?  That’s something we 
don’t and can’t know.  There are a certain percentage of negative tests but how 
many of the positive tests are people with little or no symptoms?



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 4:30 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and they 
were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I didn’t even 
venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to starve.  When the crazy 
hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go inside a grocery store, I was 
more afraid of the crazies than the virus or gosh forbid running out of TP.

Governor just did his daily status update.  2 days ago there was a reported 
case of Covid-19 in a patient at a Willowbrook long term care center.  Now 48 
hours later they have found 22 cases at that facility, I think it was 18 
patients and 4 staff.  Your guess if it spread to 22 people in 48 hours, or 
testing found 22 more people who already had it, or some combination.  Either 
way, that’s unsettling.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 2:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

ahh the brown shirts


On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
The city here now has a hotline for reporting households that are infected.  
They say it is for self reporting, but that you can call anonymously...hmmm.

https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients

It seems like a kind of sweet justice if the crowds of hoarders infected each 
other when they went to do their dirty deeds.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are running amok, I went 
in the other day and immediately turned around.  I swear it’s scarier than the 
virus.

But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh produce.  So now 
I’m wondering if they were stocking up on potatoes.  Whenever I buy baking 
potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get for 49 cents a pound.  And you don’t 
have to freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you have a bunker, that’s probably 
where you should be storing your potatoes anyway.  I think it used to be called 
a root cellar.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Robert
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them" from inside their 
underground bunker...
On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped for this long time 
ago its these fake preppers messing everything up





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I attribute the discrepancy to the lack of test kits. At this
  point, they are barely able to test the people who present
  symptoms. If you don't have symptoms, you probably won't get
  tested.


bp



On 3/17/2020 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I
  stopped to check one out and they were pretty well stocked
  with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I didn’t even venture
  to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to starve.  When
  the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
  inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than
  the virus or gosh forbid running out of TP.
 
Governor just did his daily status update. 
  2 days ago there was a reported case of Covid-19 in a patient
  at a Willowbrook long term care center.  Now 48 hours later
  they have found 22 cases at that facility, I think it was 18
  patients and 4 staff.  Your guess if it spread to 22 people in
  48 hours, or testing found 22 more people who already had it,
  or some combination.  Either way, that’s unsettling.
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Cameron
  Crum
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 2:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
 

  ahh the brown shirts
  
 
  

 

  
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jason
  McKemie 
  wrote:
  
  

  The city here now has a hotline for
reporting households that are infected.  They say it is
for self reporting, but that you can call
anonymously...hmmm.
  
 
  
  
https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients 
  
  
 
  
  
It seems like a kind of sweet
  justice if the crowds of hoarders infected each other
  when they went to do their dirty deeds.
  

 

  
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken
  Hohhof 
  wrote:
  
  

  
I
  won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies
  are running amok, I went in the other day and
  immediately turned around.  I swear it’s scarier
  than the virus.
 
But
  I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all
  the fresh produce.  So now I’m wondering if they
  were stocking up on potatoes.  Whenever I buy
  baking potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get
  for 49 cents a pound.  And you don’t have to
  freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you have a
  bunker, that’s probably where you should be
  storing your potatoes anyway.  I think it used to
  be called a root cellar.
 
 

  
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of Robert
  Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
  

 
Yeah, the real
  preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them"
  from inside their underground bunker...

  On
3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:


  
Sadly
  that meme doesnt show the true preppers they
  prepped for this long time ago its these fake
  preppers messing everything up
 

   

 

  
  
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  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Bill Prince]

I could live on bacon if I had to.


bp


On 3/17/2020 2:43 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out 
and they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, 
dairy.  I didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is 
going to starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I 
couldn’t even go inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the 
crazies than the virus or gosh forbid running out of TP.



I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no 
eggs, no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no 
condiments, no paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning 
products, no baking staples like flour, not even jello. They did have 
plenty of fresh produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I 
bought ice cream, chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had 
normal supply, but all self serve things were pulled with notices to 
ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk bins section was mostly untouched.


A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the 
line wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than 
wait forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread 
flour and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop 
was cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.


The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The amount of hoarders probably depends on where you are in the hysteria
curve.

If messaging applicable to a local area indicates that people should stay
home for a while, the stores are going to be very busy until everyone
stocks up, then empty, and somewhat back to normal.

I'm sure population plays into this.   In my local area, we didn't ever run
into anything other than toilet paper/hand sanitizer/etc and certain other
shelf-stable items being out of stock.   And on the shelf-stable items, it
often was that one store would be out, but the next would have at least a
bit left.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and
> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I
> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>
>
> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
> bins section was mostly untouched.
>
> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>
> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Mike Hammett]

My dad had been compromised for a couple years now, in and out of hospitals the 
whole time. 


He was in for something unrelated today and they said the CT scan he had didn't 
show anything suspicious to warrant further testing. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 4:53:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers 


I attribute the discrepancy to the lack of test kits. At this point, they are 
barely able to test the people who present symptoms. If you don't have 
symptoms, you probably won't get tested. 

bp
 
On 3/17/2020 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 




Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and they 
were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy. I didn’t even 
venture to the TP aisle But so far nobody is going to starve. When the crazy 
hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go inside a grocery store, I was 
more afraid of the crazies than the virus or gosh forbid running out of TP. 

Governor just did his daily status update. 2 days ago there was a reported case 
of Covid-19 in a patient at a Willowbrook long term care center. Now 48 hours 
later they have found 22 cases at that facility, I think it was 18 patients and 
4 staff. Your guess if it spread to 22 people in 48 hours, or testing found 22 
more people who already had it, or some combination. Either way, that’s 
unsettling. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 2:28 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers 


ahh the brown shirts 





On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jason McKemie < 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 



The city here now has a hotline for reporting households that are infected. 
They say it is for self reporting, but that you can call anonymously...hmmm. 



https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients
 



It seems like a kind of sweet justice if the crowds of hoarders infected each 
other when they went to do their dirty deeds. 



On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 




I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are running amok, I went 
in the other day and immediately turned around. I swear it’s scarier than the 
virus. 

But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh produce. So now 
I’m wondering if they were stocking up on potatoes. Whenever I buy baking 
potatoes, I’m amazed how much food you get for 49 cents a pound. And you don’t 
have to freeze or even refrigerate them. I you have a bunker, that’s probably 
where you should be storing your potatoes anyway. I think it used to be called 
a root cellar. 




From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Robert 
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers 

Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them" from inside their 
underground bunker... 

On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote: 



Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped for this long time 
ago its these fake preppers messing everything up 








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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Mathew Howard]

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>
> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
> go."
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out
>> and
>> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.
>> I
>> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
>> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
>> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
>> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>>
>>
>> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
>> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
>> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
>> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
>> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
>> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
>> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
>> bins section was mostly untouched.
>>
>> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
>> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
>> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
>> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
>> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
>> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>>
>> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Chuck McCown]

There is a bit more to it, but this is not the space to get into details.  As 
long as Forrest is involved he had my proxy to proceed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know that in the past it was done with permission.
> 
> I also know for a 100% fact that at least one of the Quids (or is it the Quo) 
> is still being honored.
> 
> I suspect this is more of a situation that WISPA continued on after Chuck 
> quit being involved and no one had a discussion about how to go forward.
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:02 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>>  wrote:
>> I was honestly kind of shocked to see an Animal Farm reference not coming 
>> from Chuck. I assumed it was done with permission.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:08 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>> Now is not the time.  Staff is still dealing with the aftermath of Dallas.  
>>>  Give it some time.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:
 
 You should attend more of the show, Chuck!
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:
> Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show.
> I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit 
> supporting them.
>  
> Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them. 
>  
> There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...
>  
>  
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>  
> One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was 
> getting to throw questions at actual product managers and developers from 
> Motorola (now Cambium).
> 
>  
> 
> Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where 
> they ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that 
> something else?
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
>  
> 
> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach 
> any kind of trust...
> 
>  
> 
> This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours 
> and Jaime’s creation).
> 
>  
> 
> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I 
> always give you credit during my introduction.
> 
>  
> 
> Matt
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
>  
> 
> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link. 
>  We should start a club :)
> 
>  
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
> 
> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and 
> that 
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  
> It 
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
> 
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with 
> AnimalFarm 
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
> there were too many problems.
> 
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone 
> to 
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
> 
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its 
> descendants... 
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
> 
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
> 
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State 
> Fairpark... 
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
> 
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Steve Jones]

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef,
who am I to say no.
They're 2 weeks out on packages
They're always 2 weeks out on packages
I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for
survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>>
>> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
>> go."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out
>>> and
>>> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.
>>> I
>>> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
>>> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
>>> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the
>>> virus
>>> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
>>> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
>>> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
>>> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
>>> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
>>> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
>>> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
>>> bins section was mostly untouched.
>>>
>>> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
>>> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
>>> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
>>> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
>>> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
>>> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>>>
>>> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Ken Hohhof]

The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy 
nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the 
world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even better than 
bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on 
them!

 

I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

 

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who am 
I to say no.

They're 2 weeks out on packages

They're always 2 weeks out on packages

I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for survival 
than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

Do you really need anything else to live on?

 

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go." 

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and 
> they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.


I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched.

A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve missed the last few WISPAmericas, but it felt to me like using the name 
Animal Farm was more to honor the history than to capitalize on the name as 
advertising.  They could have called it something else, one of the “tracks”, 
but it made attendees who used to go to Animal Farm in spring feel good that it 
wasn’t totally gone and forgotten.  Kind of a lifetime achievement aware.

 

I say that not knowing anything about the arrangement between Chuck and WISPA, 
that’s just the vibe I got when I went to the shows.

 

Does George Orwell also get a quid or a quo?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

There is a bit more to it, but this is not the space to get into details.  As 
long as Forrest is involved he had my proxy to proceed.

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:



I know that in the past it was done with permission.

 

I also know for a 100% fact that at least one of the Quids (or is it the Quo) 
is still being honored.

 

I suspect this is more of a situation that WISPA continued on after Chuck quit 
being involved and no one had a discussion about how to go forward.

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:02 PM can...@believewireless.net 
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

I was honestly kind of shocked to see an Animal Farm reference not coming from 
Chuck. I assumed it was done with permission.

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:08 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Now is not the time.  Staff is still dealing with the aftermath of Dallas.   
Give it some time.

 

Mark





On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

 

You should attend more of the show, Chuck!


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show. 

I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit supporting 
them.

 

Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them.  

 

There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...

 

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was getting to 
throw questions at actual product managers and developers from Motorola (now 
Cambium).

 

Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one where they 
ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that something else?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

 

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

 

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that 
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It 
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm 
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group 
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally 
there were too many problems.

So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to 
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus 
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade 
show and our main means of marketing each year.

But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants... 
At least WispAmerica asked permission...

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: Ani

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Steve Jones]

I threw up buying potatoes at 88 cents a pound the other day. I've never
spent that kind of money on potatos

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 6:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can
> buy nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing
> in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even
> better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of
> your bacon on them!
>
>
>
> I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss
> leader.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef,
> who am I to say no.
>
> They're 2 weeks out on packages
>
> They're always 2 weeks out on packages
>
> I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for
> survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>
>
>
> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
> go."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and
> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I
> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>
>
> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
> bins section was mostly untouched.
>
> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>
> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
>
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[AFMUG] good news

[Ken Hohhof]

90 more days to pay the IRS:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/17/taxes-2020-irs-delay-april-1
5-tax-payment-deadline-90-days/5071239002/

 

And $2 gas!  Although today as I was thinking woohoo, $2 gas, it felt like
this Far Side comic:

 



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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[chuck]

Orwell gave me permission.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

I’ve missed the last few WISPAmericas, but it felt to me like using the name 
Animal Farm was more to honor the history than to capitalize on the name as 
advertising.  They could have called it something else, one of the “tracks”, 
but it made attendees who used to go to Animal Farm in spring feel good that it 
wasn’t totally gone and forgotten.  Kind of a lifetime achievement aware.

 

I say that not knowing anything about the arrangement between Chuck and WISPA, 
that’s just the vibe I got when I went to the shows.

 

Does George Orwell also get a quid or a quo?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

 

There is a bit more to it, but this is not the space to get into details.  As 
long as Forrest is involved he had my proxy to proceed.

Sent from my iPhone





  On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  

  I know that in the past it was done with permission.

   

  I also know for a 100% fact that at least one of the Quids (or is it the Quo) 
is still being honored.

   

  I suspect this is more of a situation that WISPA continued on after Chuck 
quit being involved and no one had a discussion about how to go forward.

   

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:02 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

I was honestly kind of shocked to see an Animal Farm reference not coming 
from Chuck. I assumed it was done with permission.

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:08 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  Now is not the time.  Staff is still dealing with the aftermath of 
Dallas.   Give it some time.

   

  Mark





On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

 

You should attend more of the show, Chuck!


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:

  Yeah, that was the main value in doing the show. 

  I didn’t realize WispAmerica continued using the name after I quit 
supporting them.

   

  Perhaps I need to be having this discussion with them.  

   

  There were supposed to be certain quid pro quos...

   

   

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:30 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

   

  One of the highlights … perhaps THE highlight … of Animal Farm was 
getting to throw questions at actual product managers and developers from 
Motorola (now Cambium).

   

  Sort of like “Question Time” in the UK Parliament.  Is that the one 
where they ask incredibly rude questions of the Prime Minister, or is that 
something else?

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:02 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

   

  Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or 
breach any kind of trust...

   

  This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of 
yours and Jaime’s creation).

   

  Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, 
I always give you credit during my introduction.

   

  Matt

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

   

  I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware 
link.  We should start a club :)


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:

It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm 
and that 
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other 
venues.  It 
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with 
AnimalFarm 
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users 
group 
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said 
legally 
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[chuck]

I do miss potatoes.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:42 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy 
nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the 
world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even better than 
bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on 
them!

 

I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

 

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who am 
I to say no.

They're 2 weeks out on packages

They're always 2 weeks out on packages

I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for survival 
than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

   

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

Do you really need anything else to live on?

 

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go." 

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out 
and 
  > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  
I 
  > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
  > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go 
  > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus 
  > or gosh forbid running out of TP.


  I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs, 
  no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no 
  paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking 
  staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
  produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
  chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
  self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
  bins section was mostly untouched.

  A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
  wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
  forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
  and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
  cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
  liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

  The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[chuck]

You ever wonder where Walmart meat comes from...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who am 
I to say no. 
They're 2 weeks out on packages
They're always 2 weeks out on packages
I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for survival 
than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...


  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

Do you really need anything else to live on?

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go." 




On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out 
and 
  > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  
I 
  > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
  > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go 
  > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus 
  > or gosh forbid running out of TP.


  I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs, 
  no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no 
  paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking 
  staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
  produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
  chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
  self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
  bins section was mostly untouched.

  A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
  wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
  forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
  and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
  cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
  liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

  The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Orwell was a pro.

bp



On 3/17/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I’ve missed the last few WISPAmericas, but
  it felt to me like using the name Animal Farm was more to
  honor the history than to capitalize on the name as
  advertising.  They could have called it something else, one of
  the “tracks”, but it made attendees who used to go to Animal
  Farm in spring feel good that it wasn’t totally gone and
  forgotten.  Kind of a lifetime achievement aware.
 
I say that not knowing anything about the
  arrangement between Chuck and WISPA, that’s just the vibe I
  got when I went to the shows.
 
Does George Orwell also get a quid or a
  quo?
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Chuck
  McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:07 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium
  Webinar tomorrow
  

 
There is a bit
  more to it, but this is not the space to get into details.  As
  long as Forrest is involved he had my proxy to proceed.

  Sent from my iPhone


  


  
On Mar 17,
  2020, at 3:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  wrote:
  


  


  I know that in the past it was done
with permission.
  
 
  
  
I also know for a 100% fact that at
  least one of the Quids (or is it the Quo) is still
  being honored.
  
  
 
  
  
I suspect this is more of a
  situation that WISPA continued on after Chuck quit
  being involved and no one had a discussion about how
  to go forward.
  

 

  
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 3:02 PM can...@believewireless.net
  
  wrote:
  
  

  
I
was honestly kind of shocked to see an Animal
Farm reference not coming from Chuck. I assumed
it was done with permission.
  

 

  
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:08 PM
  Mark Radabaugh 
  wrote:
  
  

  Now is not the time.  Staff
is still dealing with the aftermath of Dallas.  
Give it some time.
  
 
  
  
Mark

  


  

  On Mar 17, 2020, at
3:50 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

 

  
You should attend
  more of the show, Chuck!
  

  

  
 
  
  Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  

 
  
   
  

  On Tue, Mar 17,
2020 at 2:43 PM 
wrote:


  
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We do potatoes in the microwave. Takes a few minutes. Just be
  sure to poke some holes in them and we usually rub them with a
  little olive oil. Let them sit for a minute or two because they
  are wicked hot.


bp



On 3/17/2020 4:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
The store I went to still had potatoes. 
  I’m always amazed that you can buy nice big baking potatoes
  for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the world to
  bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even
  better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can
  put some of your bacon on them!
 
I don’t see how anybody makes money selling
  potatoes, it has to be a loss leader.
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steve
  Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
 

  I went by the meat shop today, father in
law is offering a side of beef, who am I to say no.
  
They're 2 weeks out on packages
  
  
They're always 2 weeks out on packages
  
  
I guess the hoarders think retail
  packaging and prices are better for survival than white
  paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper
  

 

  
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew
  Howard 
  wrote:
  
  

  I'm not sure why you would even want
anything else...

 

  
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net
  
  wrote:
  
  

  
Do
you really need anything else to live on?
  
  
 
  
  
"The takeaway here is if
  you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
  go." 
  
  
 
  
  
 
  

 

  
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM
  Seth Mattinen 
  wrote:
  
  
On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:
  > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I
  stopped to check one out and 
  > they were pretty well stocked with bread,
  meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I 
  > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so
  far nobody is going to 
  > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running
  amok, I couldn’t even go 
  > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of
  the crazies than the virus 
  > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
  
  
  I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there
  was nothing: no eggs, 
  no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no
  breads, no condiments, no 
  paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no
  cleaning products, no baking 
  staples like flour, not even jello. They did have
  plenty of fresh 
  produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so
  I bought ice cream, 
  chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had
  normal supply, but all 
  self serve things were pulled with notices to ask
  (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
  bins section was mostly untouched.
  
  A store near me this morning was similar but the
  hoarders made the line 
  wrap around the inside of the store so I walked
  out rather than wait 
  forever to buy literally two items I can wait to
  get later (bread flour 
  and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local
  butcher shop was 
  cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Bill Prince]

  
  
They get their meat at Costco.

bp



On 3/17/2020 5:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  You ever wonder where Walmart meat comes from...
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 5:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
  

 
  
  
I went by the meat shop today, father in law is
  offering a side of beef, who am I to say no.
  They're 2 weeks out on packages
  They're always 2 weeks out on packages
  I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and
prices are better for survival than white paper wrapped
fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

 

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020,
5:02 PM Mathew Howard 
wrote:
  
  
I'm not sure why you would even want
  anything else...

 

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020
at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net

wrote:
  
  

  Do you really need anything else to live
on?
   
  "The
  takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard
  liquor you're good to go." 
  

   

 

  On Tue, Mar 17,
2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen 
wrote:
  
  On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I
stopped to check one out and 
> they were pretty well stocked with bread,
meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so
far nobody is going to 
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were
running amok, I couldn’t even go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid
of the crazies than the virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.


I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and
there was nothing: no eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no
breads, no condiments, no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no
cleaning products, no baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did
have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out
so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had
normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to
ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched.

A store near me this morning was similar but the
hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked
out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to
get later (bread flour 
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local
butcher shop was 
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except
for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard
liquor you're good to go.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Steve Jones]

I like spraying them with oil and rolling them in seasoned kosher salt then
baking them. So good

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 8:29 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We do potatoes in the microwave. Takes a few minutes. Just be sure to poke
> some holes in them and we usually rub them with a little olive oil. Let
> them sit for a minute or two because they are wicked hot.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/17/2020 4:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can
> buy nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing
> in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even
> better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of
> your bacon on them!
>
>
>
> I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss
> leader.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef,
> who am I to say no.
>
> They're 2 weeks out on packages
>
> They're always 2 weeks out on packages
>
> I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for
> survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>
>
>
> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
> go."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and
> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I
> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>
>
> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
> bins section was mostly untouched.
>
> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>
> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

[Robert]

5 days according to the CDC talking head on the tv this morning.  2-14 
days to show symptoms with a mean of 5 days...


On 3/17/20 2:50 PM, James Howard wrote:


I went to the local grocery store to get lunch and see how it was. 
 Everything except TP seemed stocked normally.  Someone was asking the 
manager as I walked past him in the pizza aisle when they were 
expecting more TP and he said tomorrow.


As far as the numbers and testing, the CDC has said that the typical 
time from exposure to symptoms is 2 days.  I worked at a nursing home 
while I was in college and it wouldn’t be difficult for a mobile 
patient to come in contact with WAY more people than that in a day, 
let along two.  That said, how many of those people who tested 
positive in that care facility actually have symptoms?  I assume that 
since they found a case (which presumably was tested because that 
patient was showing symptoms) they tested everyone else in the 
facility.  How many of those people actually would have tested 
positive at the same time that the first case did if they had been 
tested right away?  That’s something we don’t and can’t know.  There 
are a certain percentage of negative tests but how many of the 
positive tests are people with little or no symptoms?


*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 4:30 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out 
and they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, 
dairy.  I didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is 
going to starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I 
couldn’t even go inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the 
crazies than the virus or gosh forbid running out of TP.


Governor just did his daily status update. 2 days ago there was a 
reported case of Covid-19 in a patient at a Willowbrook long term care 
center.  Now 48 hours later they have found 22 cases at that facility, 
I think it was 18 patients and 4 staff.  Your guess if it spread to 22 
people in 48 hours, or testing found 22 more people who already had 
it, or some combination.  Either way, that’s unsettling.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum

*Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 2:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

ahh the brown shirts

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:31 PM Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


The city here now has a hotline for reporting households that are
infected.  They say it is for self reporting, but that you can
call anonymously...hmmm.


https://newschannel20.com/news/local/hotline-set-up-to-report-springfield-households-with-covid-19-patients


It seems like a kind of sweet justice if the crowds of hoarders
infected each other when they went to do their dirty deeds.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I won’t go into the grocery stores while the crazies are
running amok, I went in the other day and immediately turned
around.  I swear it’s scarier than the virus.

But I noticed people didn’t seem to be buying up all the fresh
produce.  So now I’m wondering if they were stocking up on
potatoes.  Whenever I buy baking potatoes, I’m amazed how much
food you get for 49 cents a pound.  And you don’t have to
freeze or even refrigerate them.  I you have a bunker, that’s
probably where you should be storing your potatoes anyway.  I
think it used to be called a root cellar.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Saturday, March 14, 2020 1:21 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Yeah, the real preppers be like "I Told Them, I Told Them"
from inside their underground bunker...

On 3/14/20 10:55 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:

Sadly that meme doesnt show the true preppers they prepped
for this long time ago its these fake preppers messing
everything up




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[AFMUG] OT diagnostic test

[chuck]

I categorize people into two groups.  Those the identify with Holden Caulfield.
Those that feel sorry for Holden and identify with those that wanted to help 
him.
The former are the ones we need to be wary of.  
The latter are the rest of us

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