Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Balwinder S Dheeman
On 07/16/2009 10:15 PM, Adriano Verardo wrote:
> Maintenance ?

Don't you think that a channel #plan9 on irc.freenode.net could have
been better alternative to ask and, or report such things.

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Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:38:32 +0200
Adriano Verardo  wrote:

> Maintenance ?
> 
> adriano
> 

No, just the normal pattern of behaviour for that site. :/


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Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread hiro
Some people don't use irc.
It's working here.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Balwinder S
Dheeman wrote:
> On 07/16/2009 10:15 PM, Adriano Verardo wrote:
>> Maintenance ?
>
> Don't you think that a channel #plan9 on irc.freenode.net could have
> been better alternative to ask and, or report such things.
>
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Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-17 Thread drivers
ok, so there is another snag i've just found out.  The new dulwich code 
which hg-git relies on requires mmap -- which we do not provide in ape 
currently.  I'm new to plan9; but am not afraid to code up things that are 
useful.  I do need to know what the best idea is for how to resolve 
this...seems I can write an mmap for ape (which might be a huge pain) or we can 
run it on linuxemu (which i really don't want to do).  And, of course, there is 
just eliminating git repositories.  It posts to the git repo; however, when it 
starts to handle the pack or object it just freaks out because thats all in the 
dulwich code dealing with things like...

mmap.mmap(f.fileno(), size, access=mmap.ACCESS_READ)

and seeing as we have no mmap in ape the mmap module in python 2.5 has been 
diligently ommitted

sorry if i got someone elses (other than my own) hopes up.  She works just fine 
for hg though...

++james
--- Begin Message ---
Congratulations! I'm interested in giving it a shot; is it just a
tarball to compile, or is it a package for fgb's contrib(1)? I'll
throw it on sources for you if you don't have an alternate hosting
solution while you wait for your contrib.

John

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM,  wrote:
>        I currently have hg and this bookmarks git module working on plan9. 
> Russ, thanks for the clue -- i have this packaged up now (my first package 
> but doesn't seem like rocket science.  Please let me know if you are 
> interested.  Also to be honest 98% of this was Filipe and FGB i just put a 
> few pieces together to get 1.3 and git working nicely together.
>
> hope everyone is doing well,
>
> respectfully,
>
> james toy
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Federico G. Benavento" 
> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:25:06 -0300
> Subject: Re: [9fans] git on plan9
> ok, I didn't get this the first time, so this is not the hg which is in 
> sources
> this is hg 1.3
>
> cpu% hg clone --traceback http://bitbucket.org/jespern/django-piston/
> destination directory: django-piston
> requesting all changes
> adding changesets
> adding manifests
> adding file changes
> added 161 changesets with 309 changes to 67 files
> updating working directory
> 53 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved
> cpu%
>
> the one i have installed just works, notice is the same link you provided.
> as I told you yesterday, hg changes a lot of stuff from release to
> release, and it's probably ape's fault.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Federico G.
> Benavento wrote:
>> and my reply to that was:
>>
>> my patch behaves exactly like chmod(1), so those bits are inherited
>> I think this is the right thing to do as posix doesn't support those bits.
>>
>> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/95399/basedefs/sys/stat.h.html
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Federico G.
>> Benavento wrote:
>>> it was loosing the dir bit, from the readme:
>>>
>>> Fixed chmod and fchmod, they were ignoring the dir bit.
>>>
>>> federico
>>>
>>>
>>> from the notes:
>>>
>>> Fri May 30 00:04:19 EDT 2008 geoff
>>>    should append-only and exclusive-access be cleared,
>>>    inherited or settable via the mode argument?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM, ron minnich wrote:
 I may be missing it, but what particular thing in the chmod failed?
 What was it trying to set?

 ron


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Federico G. Benavento
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Federico G. Benavento
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Federico G. Benavento
>
>



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Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-17 Thread Russ Cox
You don't need mmap to implement this mmap.
If it's just trying to map files into memory read-only,
you could implement it by open, stat to find length,
malloc, readn, and return the pointer.  This is
what the original linuxemu did (and still does?).

Russ



Re: [9fans] git on plan9

2009-07-17 Thread drivers
Cinap recommended this and I am working on it right now :) -- any other 
suggestions are very welcome.  Thanks Russ.

respectfully

++james
--- Begin Message ---
You don't need mmap to implement this mmap.
If it's just trying to map files into memory read-only,
you could implement it by open, stat to find length,
malloc, readn, and return the pointer.  This is
what the original linuxemu did (and still does?).

Russ
--- End Message ---


Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Anthony Sorace
a few things:

1) note that when the web site is down, sources may still be up
(someone in IRC made this mistake). i run an automated availability
check of sources every 10 minutes and didn't see an outage.

2) Ethan, i'm not sure if you realize it or not, but your comment is
entirely unhelpful and serves only to foster animosity all around.
please stop.

3) nobody involved with running plan9.bell-labs.com spends any time on
#plan9, so "reporting" it there is ineffective and serves only to fuel
some of the less stable elements there. afaik, the correct reporting
method is a *polite* mail to either this list (Adriano's original mail
seemed fine), 9trou...@plan9, or webmas...@plan9 (the address given at
the bottom of the page).

anthony



[9fans] hg-git on plan9

2009-07-17 Thread drivers
Ok, a few more things...perhaps someone with a bit of python knowledge 
might be able to shed some light on this. There is a simple way of fixing this 
by writing a custom mmap.py so everything is done transparently; however, I 
think I am missing a few things.

def simple_mmap(f, offset, size, access=mmap.ACCESS_READ):
"""Simple wrapper for mmap() which always supports the offset parameter.
mem = mmap.mmap(f.fileno(), size+offset, access=access)

the above def is the one that we have to be taking into account there is 
another in pack.py that I've resolved by my mmap.py below:

import os

def mmap(fd, len, *args):
return os.read(fd, len)

#garbage to take into account access field
#which here, is always read...
ACCESS_READ = 0

can someone else take a look at the dulwich code which can be found in the 
hg-git bitbucket repository:
http://bitbucket.org/abderrahim/hg-git/

and take a look at those functions that call simple_mmap -- it seems to me the 
only thing to take into account is offset and we can do this via 
file.seek(offset) before calling this simple mmap implementation.

i actually don't think that this seek is nessary since it seems its taken into 
account in the size+offset line -- though i guess we need to _get_ to offset in 
the file first 

respectfully,

++james



[9fans] (no subject)

2009-07-17 Thread drivers
All,

I've fixed the last bug (thank god) its hard trying to problem solve 
and learn a language at the same time but at least I'm still having fun (and 
python isn't like learning C ;).  Additionally now I have this bug which is 
mutually exclusive from any of the mmap stuff. But at least its registering 
with the git repository as can be seen below.  The problem is more in this 
other dulwich thingwhich apparently there is a new version of so i'm going 
to merge that and retry.  Compressing objects certainly gives some nasty Cr 
output though

james++


rator_gade% hg clone git://zen-sources.org/zen/THE.git
destination directory: THE.git
fetching from : git://zen-sources.org/zen/THE.git
importing Hg objects into Git
Counting objects: 1592, done.
Compressing objects:   0% (1/1185)   
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Total 1592 (delta 455), reused 1128 (delta 286)
** unknown exception encountered, details follow
** report bug details to http://mercu

Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread J.R. Mauro
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> a few things:
>
> 1) note that when the web site is down, sources may still be up
> (someone in IRC made this mistake). i run an automated availability
> check of sources every 10 minutes and didn't see an outage.
>
> 2) Ethan, i'm not sure if you realize it or not, but your comment is
> entirely unhelpful and serves only to foster animosity all around.
> please stop.

Seriously, we're lucky to have sources /at all/. Instead of
complaining, maybe the most concerned people should volunteer their
time to help maintain sources, or put up mirrors of their own.

>
> 3) nobody involved with running plan9.bell-labs.com spends any time on
> #plan9, so "reporting" it there is ineffective and serves only to fuel
> some of the less stable elements there. afaik, the correct reporting
> method is a *polite* mail to either this list (Adriano's original mail
> seemed fine), 9trou...@plan9, or webmas...@plan9 (the address given at
> the bottom of the page).
>
> anthony
>
>



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread ron minnich
apropos of this, 9grid.net is back.

Thanks to the guys at LBL for hosting this machine.

ron



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> a few things:
>
> 1) note that when the web site is down, sources may still be up
> (someone in IRC made this mistake). i run an automated availability
> check of sources every 10 minutes and didn't see an outage.

If you are thirsty in the middle of the desert, you might find this
comfortable pillow useful.

If people are trying to access the web site, sources being up is not
likely to be of much help to them.

> 2) Ethan, i'm not sure if you realize it or not, but your comment is
> entirely unhelpful and serves only to foster animosity all around.
> please stop.

God forbid anyone comment on the Emperor's conspicuous lack of garments.

>
> 3) nobody involved with running plan9.bell-labs.com spends any time on
> #plan9, so "reporting" it there is ineffective and serves only to fuel
> some of the less stable elements there. afaik, the correct reporting
> method is a *polite* mail to either this list (Adriano's original mail
> seemed fine), 9trou...@plan9, or webmas...@plan9 (the address given at
> the bottom of the page).

This address is a bit difficult to find when the page itself is made
of Unobtainium.

uriel



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Uriel
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:08 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote:
> Seriously, we're lucky to have sources /at all/. Instead of
> complaining, maybe the most concerned people should volunteer their
> time to help maintain sources, or put up mirrors of their own.

Seriously, but I can't let this nonsense go unanswered once again.

We'd be even luckier if people like you would stop spewing such
obvious bullshit. We are not lucky to have an insanely unreliable
sources / website that simply discredits the project and confuses and
misleads prospective users and developers.

And stop the totally false condescending 'you should volunteer to
contribute' nonsense, because *many* people have offered their help,
and help is not welcome, so before repeating such crap, maybe you
could bother to at least point out how people are supposedly even able
to help.

There is a reason people have setup mirrors of various parts of the
site and sources ( http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/
http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/ http://9grid.es/index.html?item=mir and
many others) because they tried to help, and gave up and simply setup
their own thing (in some cases after years of exasperation and false
hopes that the situation would improve).

So, can we please move on, forget about plan9.bell-labs.com, and
simply pretend it doesn't exist? It will save people much wasted time,
frustrations and misunderstandings, and it will improve my health
considerably (but I suspect a few people would not mind if my health
got rid my annoying comments, some Lisp-heads have been celebrating
the demise of Erik Naggum...).

Thanks

uriel



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Uriel wrote:
>
> And stop the totally false condescending 'you should volunteer to
> contribute' nonsense, because *many* people have offered their help,
> and help is not welcome, so before repeating such crap, maybe you
> could bother to at least point out how people are supposedly even able
> to help.

I seem to remember that you were offered the opportunity to take over
sources, since you can obviously run it much better. What happened to
that? I guess it's easier to bitch and be the rebel, rather than
becoming "the man" and actually being responsible for the proper
maintenance of the system.



John
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reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C,
Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM, J.R. Mauro  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> > a few things:
> >
> > 1) note that when the web site is down, sources may still be up
> > (someone in IRC made this mistake). i run an automated availability
> > check of sources every 10 minutes and didn't see an outage.
> >
> > 2) Ethan, i'm not sure if you realize it or not, but your comment is
> > entirely unhelpful and serves only to foster animosity all around.
> > please stop.
>
> Seriously, we're lucky to have sources /at all/. Instead of
> complaining, maybe the most concerned people should volunteer their
> time to help maintain sources, or put up mirrors of their own.


I for one am quite grateful for the sources machine.

My guess is if we didn't have it, we'd have to create a grid based
"contrib", and we'd probably have to have some kind of 9grid based registry
to find everyone's contributions.


Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:55 AM, John Floren wrote:
> I seem to remember that you were offered the opportunity to take over
> sources, since you can obviously run it much better.

What? When? Where?


> What happened to that?

Maybe you can tell me, as you seem to know much better than me what
has been offered (and by who?!?!).


> I guess it's easier to bitch and be the rebel, rather than
> becoming "the man" and actually being responsible for the proper
> maintenance of the system.

I take responsibility for the systems I have control over, which so
far nobody has had any complaints about (if somebody has any
complaints or suggestions, I would *love* to hear them and will do my
very best to address them), and I have put a considerable amount of
effort on, specially given that nobody has ever paid me anything to
work on Plan 9 or anything related to it, and I don't go around
screaming about how grateful and lucky the universe is that I'm
capable of running a damned stupid web server.

I very doubt I'm the right person to take care of plan9.bell-labs.com,
and doubt much more whatever whoever controls it would want me to take
it over, but if your claims by some cosmic miracle happen to be true,
I'd be happy to help out in any way I can.

Maybe you can tell us what *you* have done to help Plan 9? Or is your
greatest contribution to act all obnoxious and condescending towards
people that despite their limited and flawed abilities have tried very
hard to do their best to make Plan 9 and related technologies
successful and keep them from dying in total irrelevancy? One of my
many flaws is that my memory is very bad, so maybe I'm forgetting what
you have done...

uriel



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Uriel wrote:
[...]
> Maybe you can tell us what *you* have done to help Plan 9? Or is your
> greatest contribution to act all obnoxious and condescending towards
> people that despite their limited and flawed abilities have tried very
> hard to do their best to make Plan 9 and related technologies
> successful and keep them from dying in total irrelevancy? One of my
> many flaws is that my memory is very bad, so maybe I'm forgetting what
> you have done...
>
> uriel

Disregard this, my memory does totally suck, and I just have been
reminded by others of your considerable and respectable contributions,
forgive my unjustified obnoxious comment. And my apologies to 9fans
for this unwarranted attack.

uriel



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:07 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> I for one am quite grateful for the sources machine.
> My guess is if we didn't have it, we'd have to create a grid based
> "contrib", and we'd probably have to have some kind of 9grid based registry
> to find everyone's contributions.

I'm not sure how this would work out, perhaps something along the
lines of http://9gridchan.org

But in any case it would be an improvement over the current situation
where people that asks for a sources account spend months and months
twiddling their thumbs, thinking that for some horrible reason the
people that run sources hate them, and that it is pointless to try to
contribute to Plan 9 (various people have told me of their worries
that perhaps they were not 'qualified' to have a sources account and
that perhaps that was why their requests were being ignored, and I had
to explain to them that, hell, if I had a sources account, *anyone* no
matter how stupid or incompetent should be allowed to have one, not to
mean they were either stupid or incompetent, they were highly
qualified and motivated people that were interested in contributing
their work, and that were feeling directly shunned and unwelcome).

uriel



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Uriel wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Uriel wrote:
> [...]
>> Maybe you can tell us what *you* have done to help Plan 9? Or is your
>> greatest contribution to act all obnoxious and condescending towards
>> people that despite their limited and flawed abilities have tried very
>> hard to do their best to make Plan 9 and related technologies
>> successful and keep them from dying in total irrelevancy? One of my
>> many flaws is that my memory is very bad, so maybe I'm forgetting what
>> you have done...
>>
>> uriel
>
> Disregard this, my memory does totally suck, and I just have been
> reminded by others of your considerable and respectable contributions,
> forgive my unjustified obnoxious comment. And my apologies to 9fans
> for this unwarranted attack.
>
> uriel
>

I appreciate this. In turn, I must acknowledge the nice work on werc,
which I've been meaning to take a shot at when I can get around to
installing Pegasus.


John
-- 
"I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS
reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C,
Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba



Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com down

2009-07-17 Thread Uriel
Werc is hardly a contribution worth mentioning (just a bunch of rc
script after all!), but some of us have put much blood, sweat and
tears in trying to make Plan 9 successful and save it from eternal
oblivion, and it is frustrating when people say 'you have no right to
complain', *everyone* has a right(even a duty!) to complain, and
complaints should be both welcome and heed if Plan 9 (or any project)
is to be successful.

Peace

uriel

P.S.: I got werc to work with a very simple 'magic' wrapper rc script
(I'm sure russ' cgi.c is a much better solution though, but wanted
something that would work with plain httpd out fo the box):

http://werc.cat-v.org/docs/web_server_setup/plan_9_httpd

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:43 AM, John Floren wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Uriel wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Uriel wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Maybe you can tell us what *you* have done to help Plan 9? Or is your
>>> greatest contribution to act all obnoxious and condescending towards
>>> people that despite their limited and flawed abilities have tried very
>>> hard to do their best to make Plan 9 and related technologies
>>> successful and keep them from dying in total irrelevancy? One of my
>>> many flaws is that my memory is very bad, so maybe I'm forgetting what
>>> you have done...
>>>
>>> uriel
>>
>> Disregard this, my memory does totally suck, and I just have been
>> reminded by others of your considerable and respectable contributions,
>> forgive my unjustified obnoxious comment. And my apologies to 9fans
>> for this unwarranted attack.
>>
>> uriel
>>
>
> I appreciate this. In turn, I must acknowledge the nice work on werc,
> which I've been meaning to take a shot at when I can get around to
> installing Pegasus.
>
>
> John
> --
> "I've tried programming Ruby on Rails, following TechCrunch in my RSS
> reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C,
> Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba
>
>



[9fans] Help needed - Boot Failure...

2009-07-17 Thread Lyle Bickley
I am new to Plan 9 - so I started introducing myself to it with the "live CD" 
running on an older industrial single board computer (Celeron). Everything 
worked as expected - including the install.

Given those good results, I decided to create a server. I grabbed an older 
Supermicro Server which seemed to have all the major components I needed to 
boot and have video:

Video: ATI Rage XL
Ethernet: (2) Intel Pro/100 ports
CDROM as master on secondary
Dual Pentium III 933MHz, 1GB ECC RAM
PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse (3 button Logitech)
ATA and SCSI  HDD

Upon booting the "live CD", I got the following:

PBS1...
Plan 9 from Bell Labs
ELCR: 0E00
pcirouting: 8086/1229 at pin 1 irq 164
pcirouting: 8086/1229 at pin 1 irq 164

Then the system froze. The only way to get out of the hangup was to reset.

I tried changing a few BIOS parameters related to I/O interrupts - but that 
didn't change the error condition.

The BIOS on the motherboard was an early edition - so I decided up update it to 
the latest BIOS.

After updating the BIOS and setting all the BIOS parameters appropriately, I 
tried booting the Plan 9 "live CD" again. This time I got the following:

PBS1...
Plan 9 from Bell Labs
ELCR: 0E20

At this point, the system froze.

I don't know enough about where to find help for this kind of problem online - 
I suspect that the ELCR messages describe an error or status condition(?).

I'd appreciate some guidance in tackling this problem...

Thanks in advance...

Cheers,
Lyle
-- 
Lyle Bickley
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"



Re: [9fans] Help needed - Boot Failure...

2009-07-17 Thread erik quanstrom
> Video: ATI Rage XL
> Ethernet: (2) Intel Pro/100 ports
> CDROM as master on secondary
> Dual Pentium III 933MHz, 1GB ECC RAM
> PS/2 Keyboard and Mouse (3 button Logitech)

nice mouse.

> ATA and SCSI  HDD
> 
> Upon booting the "live CD", I got the following:
> 
> PBS1...
> Plan 9 from Bell Labs
> ELCR: 0E00
> pcirouting: 8086/1229 at pin 1 irq 164
> pcirouting: 8086/1229 at pin 1 irq 164
> 
> Then the system froze. The only way to get out of the hangup was to reset.

i'm hoping that there's good news here.  while
there are many reasons the system can hang at this
point, i believe the most common one is a disagreement
with intel ide.  can you tell me what southbridge this
machine has?  i believe i've got a fix for ich0-10.
i've verified that it works on at least one ich5 and
one ich7r machine that were previously broken.
(note: ich7-ich10 parts are often ahci capable;
i think ahci mode is preferrable anyway.)

it's on sources as contrib/sd (for the kernel, see
contrib(1)) and contrib/9load-e820 (for 9load).
if your non-working machine is pxe capable, you
should be able to pxe boot the nonworking machine
from the working machine. unfortunately i don't
have a how-to-pxe guide. the information is all
in the manpages see ndb(8). and you'll need to run
ip/dhcpd and ip/tftpd.

if your having trouble (as i suspect you might with
these random and vague hints), please contact
me off list.

- erik



[9fans] lftp patch for plan9

2009-07-17 Thread erik quanstrom
ryan thomas built an lftp patch for plan 9 to ease moving
files to the plan 9 system at coraid.  the patch implements
netkey.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lftp-de...@uniyar.ac.ru/msg01677.html

- erik



[9fans] Plan 9 BoF - Carson, LA

2009-07-17 Thread Akshat Kumar
Any Plan 9 box heads in Carson getting their
groove on at the Coldplay concert in the Home
Depot Stadium would make for a great BoF
meeting. We might discuss audio drivers for
Plan 9 so that we can listen to our favourite
band(s). And perhaps lyric synthesizing.
In all reality, I'd prefer not to discuss Plan 9
at that time.


but a BoF would still be great
ak