On 12/25/20 11:04 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 12/25/20 20:10, Hunter Fuller via NANOG wrote:
It would meet some customers’ needs because multiple people could use
1G of service at a time. I think it is interesting to distinguish
“>1G CPE” from “true 10G CPE” and I suspect many / most custome
On 12/25/20 11:39 AM, Cory Sell wrote:
I saturate my 1G connection most during game downloads, file
downloads/uploads, full backup uploads, etc.
I also self-host a lot of services for personal use and having that
peak speed is really nice when you need it. It also had no traffic
limit per m
On 12/25/20 11:34 AM, Niels Bakker wrote:
* mark.ti...@seacom.com (Mark Tinka) [Fri 25 Dec 2020, 19:11 CET]:
I have a mate up the road who just paid for a 1Gbps FTTH service
because it was the same price as a 100Mbps one. He generally lives
between 900Kbps and 20Mbps.
Gigabit-level FTTH ser
On 12/25/20 12:40 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
The other aspect of it is that we're doing these downloads while
continuing to play other games and chat (both things sensitive to
latency). Some have family/roommates in the home, so they may be
streaming audio and/or video at the same time. Do we fi
On 12/25/20 12:53 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Michael Thomas said:
On 12/25/20 12:40 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
The other aspect of it is that we're doing these downloads while
continuing to play other games and chat (both things sensitive to
latency). Some have family/room
On 12/25/20 1:22 PM, Niels Bakker wrote:
Wouldn't cpe that implements proper queuing disciplines be a lot
simpler and cheaper? I got bit by that once when a friend was
downloading a game and it. I flashed a router with openwrt and
fiddled with their queuing nobs and everything was golden.
On 12/25/20 1:25 PM, John Levine wrote:
In article you write:
I'm fine with "free stuff". But it seems we've hit saturation on a
number of front like camera and screen pixels, ghz of cpu, TB's of disk,
Gb's of netio for residential stuff.
My provider on the other (Volcano Internet) doesn't s
On 12/25/20 2:32 PM, John Levine wrote:
In article <3b0bc95b-c741-7561-1692-75fac74d5...@mtcc.com> you write:
I'd definitely appreciate symmetric, or at least better in upstream.
Obviously zoom and all of that has made a lie of us not needing
upstream. It would make cloud based "filesystems" m
On 12/26/20 8:00 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
Anybody got a feel for what percent of the third-party gear currently sold to
consumers has sane bufferbloat support in 2020, when we've *known* that
de-bufferbloated gear is a viable differentiatior if marketed right (consider
the
percent of famil
On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:
i really don't get what the problem is. it's like they're being deliberately
obtuse.
Michael,
If vendors saw a 10GbE CPE market, they would serve it. Obviously they don’t
see a market. Why don’t people insisting vendors build their hobby horse see
th
On 12/26/20 10:00 AM, Tony Wicks wrote:
Actually the equipment vendor's build in this sort of situation is normally
directly related to the availability of affordable chipsets from the likes of
Broadcom. For example the chipset in my XGSPON router is a BCM6858. No vendor
is going to spend mo
On 12/26/20 10:09 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 17:50:28 +, Mel Beckman said:
If vendors saw a 10GbE CPE market, they would serve it. Obviously they don’t
see a market. Why don’t people insisting vendors build their hobby horse see
that? It’s like they’re being de
On 12/26/20 11:49 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:
The thing is that the pandemic has changed the game on the ground:
there is an actual feature differentiator to be had. But having dealt
with the Linksys folks in the past I don't put out much hope that
they'll take advantage of it. The software develop
On 12/26/20 12:44 PM, John Levine wrote:
In the 25 years since I've lived here the power has never been out as
long as a day so I think a four day battery will give me pretty good
reliability. I know my fiber is a straight shot to the CO since I'm
only four blocks away but as far as I can tell
On 12/26/20 1:13 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:58:42 -0800, Michael Thomas said:
can go on for days. We have a generator because of this, but everybody
getting a generator in the middle of the Berkeley Hills would be
something of its own horror show, but it will probably
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*From: *"Michael Thomas"
*To: *nanog@nanog.org
*Sent: *Friday, December 25, 2020 1:27:39 PM
*Subject: *Re: [External
On 12/27/20 2:26 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 12/26/20 23:57, Michael Thomas wrote:
Yeah, it burned somebody's house to a crisp here last year around
here. It certainly makes the case why leaving professionals in charge
of power issues is the better idea. although with pg&e it&
On 12/27/20 9:38 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 12/27/20 18:14, Michael Thomas wrote:
We have both, and are going to get a battery. But the battery would
probably only be good for about a day which is not enough, especially
with these planned shutoffs because they have to inspect their wire
On 12/27/20 10:00 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 17:57:17 +0100, Baldur Norddahl said:
Here in the civilised world we bury the wires ;-)
Even the long-haul 765kv and up connections across the power grid?
In the US, they're out on towers for a reason - you can fly along them
On 12/27/20 10:26 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
All of the 400V and 10 kV is buried. That means no wires along
streets, anywhere.
The long haul transmission network consists mostly of 150 kV and 400
kV lines. That has been partly buried, especially near and in cities.
There was a project to ha
On 12/28/20 4:06 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
I think you may have misunderstood Keith's comment about
it being "all a matter of time-frame."
He's right--when the sun consumes all the hydrogen in
the hydrogen-to-helium fusion process and begins to
expand into a red dwarf, that's it; there's no go
On 12/29/20 8:42 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
Oh, we still get calls about speed issues. It's always wonderful when
someone puts their own 10 year old Linksys WRT54G and double NATs
behind our CPE then sends in a speed test wondering why they're only
getting 10Mbits on their Gbit line. We get tho
On 12/29/20 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
People love throwing their own router behind whatever Internet
connection they have. It almost never fails to cause a problem.
Well *some* of us know what we're doing. And in my case, it's both
because it doesn't deal with buffer bloat, but more impor
On 12/29/20 10:36 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
It does have wireless. That doesn't prevent people from trying to use
their old equipment in addition. ("My dad's uncle's cousin's former
roommate works in IT and told me I just needed to plug my old router
into your new router.")
Yes, but does y
On 1/2/21 12:40 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
- On Jan 1, 2021, at 2:12 PM, Matt Hoppes mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net
wrote:
Hi,
How would that even work? Force a pop up into web traffic? What if the end
users is using an app on a phone?
Most, if not all, mobile devices connected to c
On 1/3/21 12:26 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:59:37 +1300, Mark Foster said:
In my mind it's simple.� The streaming companies need to have a channel
within their streaming system to get a message to a 'currently active
customer' (emergency popup notification that appears
On 1/2/21 10:15 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Let's just go back to air-raid sirens.
I'm old enough to remember when they were tested every day at noon,
which also told you it was noon (lunch!)
We'd say heaven help us if The Enemy attacked at noon.
They still do in San Francisco garbled messa
On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
including foreign locations, generations of emergency alert
packets *MUST* be responsibility of *LOCAL* ISPs.
A problem is that home routers may filter the broadcast
packets from ISPs, but the routers may be upgraded or
some device to snoop the aler
On 1/3/21 10:01 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Sun, Jan 03, 2021 at 03:26:07AM -0500, Valdis Kl??tnieks wrote:
Meanwhile, this causes yet another problem - if Hulu has to be able to
know what alerts should be piped down to my device, this now means that
every single police and public safety agenc
On 1/3/21 12:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Thomas"
To: nanog@nanog.org
On 1/2/21 10:31 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Yup; it's messy, and in many many different ways. Won't be a snapshot
rollout. Not a bad idea, though, if i
On 1/3/21 1:22 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
Even with a participating application, quiescing in-memory state to something
less than,
say, 1KB is probably hard but might be doable with a participating TLS library.
If so, a
million quiescent connections could conceivably be stashed in a coupla GB of
On 1/3/21 1:50 PM, Mark Delany wrote:
On 03Jan21, Brandon Martin allegedly wrote:
I was thinking more in the original context of this thread w.r.t.
potential distribution of emergency alerts. That could, if
semi-centralized, easily result in 100s of million connections to juggle
across a sing
On 1/3/21 2:23 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Thomas"
Well, TCP means that the servers have to expect to have 100k's of open
connections; I remember that used to be a problem.
As for D'oH, sure; let's centralize the attack su
On 1/3/21 2:27 PM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote:
On Jan 3, 2021, at 13:57, Michael Thomas wrote:
I just sent some mail to the myshakes folks at UCB asking if they have an
achitecture/network document. In their case for earthquakes it need to be less
than ~10 seconds so they are really pushing
On 1/3/21 5:00 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
I think the challenge here is that there's a category of people
who don't have cell phones, who don't have cable TV, but
receive content over their internet connection. I happen to
live with someone like that, so I know it's a non-zero portion
of the pop
On 1/4/21 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
What makes the most sense is the underlying OS does the work and not
each individual app.
The underlying OS gets these alerts from some aggregator that collects
this information from all jurisdictions.
Doing it at the app layer seems foolish.
That pro
On 1/3/21 2:01 PM, Andy Brezinsky wrote:
At this point I would assume that nearly every device is persisting at
least one long lived TCP connection. Whether it's for telemetry or
command and control, everything these days seems to have this
capability. As an example, I can hit a button in t
On 1/10/21 5:42 AM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:
While Amazon is absolutely within their rights to suspend anyone they want for
violation of their TOS, it does create an interesting problem. Amazon is now in
the content moderation business, which could potentially open them up to
liability
On 1/10/21 9:36 AM, William Herrin wrote:
First, this would appear to be an illustration of the single-vendor
problem. You don't have a credible continuity of operations plan if a
termination by a single vendor can take you and keep you offline. It's
the single point of failure that otherwise i
On 1/10/21 9:55 AM, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace,
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 8:38 PM William Herrin wrote:
providers like Amazon tend to make it inconvenient approaching
impossible to build cross-platform services. I kinda wonder what a
cloud services product would look like that was actively
On 1/10/21 10:17 AM, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace,
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
Yes, it's been obvious to anybody who's only paying even a little
attention that AWS is trying to be build a walled garden.
In my experience, moving off Amazon services
On 1/10/21 10:24 AM, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace,
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:18 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
At my previous job, I built a tool which could spin up a server farm
given a platform agnostic design spec from a list of vendors as well as
pricing it out. It was really more of a
On 1/10/21 10:21 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:55 AM Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
I'd say it starts to be "inconvenient approaching impossible" only at
the point where you begin to use Cloudformation — or when you don't
have automated deployment at all. While the provisioni
On 1/10/21 11:11 AM, Bryan Fields wrote:
Anyone hosting with Amazon/Google/the cloud here should be really concerned
with the timing they gave them, 24 hours notice to migrate. Industry
standards would seem to be at least 30 days notice. Note this is not the
police/courts coming to the host
On 1/10/21 12:13 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 12:03 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote:
On 1/10/21 11:11 AM, Bryan Fields wrote:
>
> Anyone hosting with Amazon/Google/the cloud here should be
really concerned
> with th
On 1/10/21 3:15 PM, Izaac wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 12:01:46PM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
Considering that it seems that there continues to be talk/planning of armed
insurrection, I think we can forgive them for violating professional
courtesy.
Got links?
Ask Google, Apple and
On 1/10/21 4:00 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
sro...@ronan-online.com :
While Amazon is absolutely within their rights to suspend anyone they want for
violation of their TOS, it does create an interesting problem. Amazon is now in
the content moderation business, which could potentially open th
On 1/10/21 3:40 PM, Izaac wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 03:36:18PM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 12:01:46PM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
Considering that it seems that there continues to be talk/planning of armed
insurrection, I think we can forgive them for violating
On 1/10/21 4:48 PM, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 1/10/21 3:15 PM, Izaac wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 12:01:46PM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
Considering that it seems that there continues to be talk/planning
of armed
insurrection, I think we can forgive
On 1/10/21 10:33 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
In article <474fe6a6-9aa8-47a7-82c6-860a21b0e...@ronan-online.com> you write:
When I actively hosted USENET servers, I was repeatedly warned by in-house and
external counsel, not to moderate which groups I hosted
based on content, less I become responsib
On 1/10/21 9:01 PM, William Herrin wrote:
Look closer. The AWS RDS version of mysql is unable to replicate with
your version of mysql. The configuration which would permit it is not
exposed to you.
Unless something has changed in the last couple years?
Anything that abstracts database servic
oh is that where it's coming from. yes. my filter now zaps it.
Mike
On 1/13/21 2:06 PM, Robert Webb wrote:
Anyone else getting spam from DoNotPay everytime they send an email to
the list?
I have not sent anything in a while until my ATT email and now I am
getting this on every new email I se
On 1/19/21 9:33 AM, Brandon Martin wrote:
On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote:
Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host
operating
On 2/11/21 5:41 PM, Izaac wrote:
IPv6 restores that ability and RFC-1918 is a bandaid for an obsolete protocol.
So, in your mind, IPv4 was "obsolete" in 1996 -- almost three years
before IPv6 was even specified? Fascinating. I could be in no way
mistaken for an IPv4/NAT apologist, but that
On 2/16/21 3:05 AM, Jared Mauch wrote:
Almost exactly 4 years ago we were out up here in Michigan for over
120 hours after a wind storm took out power to 1 million homes. Large
scale restoration takes time. When the load and supply are imbalanced
it can make things worse as well.
I'm hoping
On 2/16/21 8:50 AM, John Von Essen wrote:
I just assumed most people in Texas have heat pumps- AC in the summer
and minimal heating in the winter when needed. When the entire state
gets a deep freeze, everybody is running those heat pumps non-stop,
and the generation capacity simply wasn’t th
Basically are there places that you can't get allocations? If so, what
is happening?
Mike
On 2/16/21 3:19 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
- On Feb 16, 2021, at 6:28 AM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote:
We use propane. It's less dense energy-wise than gasoline, but it's
really easy to switch over.
Why not use both? Plenty of generators that are dual fuel out there.
L
e from Afrinic, this is all being done on the gray market?
Wouldn't you expect that price to follow something like an exponential
curve as available addresses become more and more scarce and unavailable
for essentially any price?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 16, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Michael Th
On 2/17/21 7:15 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
The price of electricity is a major component of the decision where
data centers operators choose to build large data centers.
Total electric price to end consumer (residential). Although
industrial electric prices are usually lower, its easier to
On 2/17/21 9:40 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
It might not be an easy fix in the moment, but in the long run, buy a
generator and install a propane tank.
When power prices spike to insane levels like this, just flip your
transfer switch over and run off propane.
When utility power be
have superior power
generator. Can you share what are you using?
Sorry I noticed my error right after I hit send. I meant a 5 gallon
tank, not 1. Inverter generators are definitely worth the extra cost though.
Mike
-- Original message --
From: Michael Thomas
To: nanog
On 2/17/21 2:37 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
I actually tend to believe that buried HVDC is the future of long-distance
power transmission.
We might be able to pull off that this transitions from a niche technology to
the mainstream, like we did with photovoltaics (at the cost of 200 G€).
Let’
On 3/22/21 9:02 AM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
On 3/22/21 8:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
most discussion in the WISP space has moved to Facebook
So ... a walled garden.
I have a severe problem with professional communities /requiring/ me
to have a Facebook, et al., account to participate
On 3/22/21 11:41 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 10:23 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
No. Use a communication method that is available globally, not proprietary and
doesn’t require me to sell my soul to the devil simply to participate.
Hi Andy,
I refused to get a Facebook accou
On 3/22/21 11:22 PM, Cynthia Revström via NANOG wrote:
Hi,
As someone from a "younger generation" (2001) who does use mailing
lists, semi-actively participates in RIPE mailing lists but also
created a network community on Discord, I want to chime in here.
> Are they willing to use a (tradit
On 3/23/21 1:44 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
If it's the latter, does that mean that you have to constantly keep
changing /where/ messages are sent to in order to keep up with the
latest and greatest or at least most popular (in y
On 3/23/21 2:55 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
On 3/23/21 1:40 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
The big problem with mailing lists is that they screw up security by
changing the subject/body and breaking DKIM signatures.
What you are describing is a capability, configuration, execution
issue
On 3/23/21 4:34 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:
On 3/23/21 4:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
But they still have the originating domain's From: address.
My opinion is that messages from the mailing list should not have the
originating domain in the From: address. The message fro
On 3/24/21 5:38 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 3/23/21 8:04 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
This has the unfortunate downside of teaching people not to pay
attention to the From: domain. For mailing lists maybe that's an OK
tradeoff, but it definitely not a good thing overall. I noticed that the
On 3/24/21 5:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 3/24/21 8:44 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
FWIW, nanog doesn't alter
messages. All lists have the option to follow suit.
It does. There's a setting in mailman that's enabled for the nanog list.
dmarc_moderation_action (privacy): Acti
On 3/26/21 12:26 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
If the last decade is anything to go by, I'm keen to see what the next
one brings.
Mark.
So the obvious question is what will happen to the internet 10 years
from now. The last 10 years were all about phones and apps, but that's
pretty well played ou
On 3/26/21 2:00 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
There are more smart phones in use in the world today the world than can be
addressed by IPv4. Complaining about lack of IPv6 deployment has been
legitimate for a long time. Telcos shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Homes
shouldn’t have to deploy NATs. Bus
On 3/26/21 3:31 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 3/26/21 23:30, b...@uu3.net wrote:
Oh, sorry to disappoint you, but they are not missing anything..
Internet become a consumer product where data is provided by
large corporations similary to TV now. Your avarage Joe consumer
does NOT care about NAT
On 3/27/21 2:50 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:42:20 -0700, Michael Thomas said:
dishwasher will probably be common, but that's hardly exciting. LEO
internet providers will be coming online which might make a difference
in the corners of the world where it's h
On 3/29/21 11:36 AM, Matt Erculiani wrote:
We might be talking a lot more about PRKI as it becomes compulsory,
maybe 400G transit links will start being standard across the
industry. If we're lucky (or unlucky, depending on how you look at it)
maybe a whole new routing protocol will be int
On 4/14/21 7:00 AM, Brian Johnson wrote:
There is no profit motive for a non-profit company. It’s completely
relevant to your response.
This is patently absurd. It's an industry group/organization. It's
raison d'etre is to serve its industry which definitely has a profit
motive. That and e
I wonder how much of this is moot because the amount of actual SS7 is
low and getting lower every day. Aren't most "SMS" messages these days
just SIP MESSAGE transactions, or maybe they use XMPP? As I understand a
lot of the cell carriers are using SIPoLTE directly to your phone.
Mike
On 4/18
On 4/24/21 3:45 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:26 AM Mel Beckman wrote:
This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of
transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum.
You do understand that the addresses in question are not and have
nev
And we can help! Cloudflare is setting out to destroy a patent troll:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210426/09454946684/patent-troll-sable-networks-apparently-needs-to-learn-lesson-cloudflare-wants-to-destroy-another-troll
Mike
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 3:26 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote:
And we can help! Cloudflare is setting out to destroy a patent troll:
https://www.techdirt.com/article
On 4/28/21 2:04 AM, William Herrin wrote:
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote:
NANOG is not the right place to post this. This list is not an “interesting
news group”, and as fascinating as the patent troll take down is, it has
nothing to do with operational issues. Read the
On 4/28/21 10:19 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:
Michael,
Sorry, but Cloudfare wasn’t sued /because/ they’re a service provider.
This dispute is no different than if they had gotten into an argument
over a copier toner scammer. And your snide remark about my comments,
claiming they are political, is
[sorry meant to send this to the list]
Isn't that what lots of password managers do? I understand that one of them
syncs point to point, but that has the downside that it probably needs to
be on the same subnet.
The actual problem here is that sites only allow a single password. if you
could enro
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:01 PM William Herrin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:27 AM Michael Thomas wrote:
> > Isn't that what lots of password managers do? I understand that one of
> them syncs point to point, but that has the downside that it probably needs
> to b
Not exactly network but maybe, but certainly operational. Shouldn't this
just be handled like disaster recovery? I haven't looked into this much,
but it sounds like the only way to stop it is to stop paying the crooks.
There is also the obvious problem that if they got in, something (or
some
.
But if you pay without finding how they got in, they could turn around
and do it again, or sell it on the dark web, right?
Mike
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:44 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote:
Not exactly network but maybe, but certainly operational.
Shou
On 6/24/21 3:08 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
A lot of the payments for Ransomware come from Insurance Companies
under "Business Interruption Insurance". It in fact may be more cost
effective to pay the ransom, than to pay for continued business
interruption.
Of course along with paying the ransom
On 6/24/21 4:57 PM, Karl Auer wrote:
Ransomwear - the latest fashion idea.
"Pay me money or I will continue to wear these clothes"
I reckon I could make a killing just by stepping out in a knee-length
macrame skirt...
Lol. Thanks, I knew that didn't look right. Maybe with a crop top to
comp
On 6/25/21 5:25 AM, Jim wrote:
On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 5:41 PM Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote:
I think a big problem may be that the ransom is actually very cost effective
and probably the lowest line item cost in many of these situations where large
revenue streams are interrupted and time=m
On 6/25/21 8:39 AM, Karl Auer wrote:
On Fri, 2021-06-25 at 10:05 -0400, Tom Beecher wrote:
Everything can be broken, and nothing will ever be 100% secure. If
you strive to make sure the cost to break in is massively larger than
the value of what could be extracted, you'll generally be ahead of
On 6/25/21 11:59 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 14:55:12 -0700, JoeSox said:
It gets tricky when 'your' company will lose money $$$ while you wait a
month to restore from your cloud backups.
If that's a concern, you've *already* totally screwed the pooch regarding DR
planni
On 6/30/21 11:30 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
STIR/SHAKEN Broadly Implemented Starting Today
https://www.fcc.gov/document/stirshaken-broadly-implemented-starting-today
WASHINGTON, June 30, 2021—FCC Acting Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel today
announced that the largest voice service providers ar
On 6/30/21 12:17 PM, Paul Timmins wrote:
On 6/30/21 2:56 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
Just because you can know (fsvo "know") that a call is allowed to
assert a number doesn't change anything unless other actions are
taken. With DKIM which is far simpler than STIR it would requ
On 7/1/21 1:05 PM, Paul Timmins wrote:
On 7/1/21 3:53 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
And this is why this problem will not be solved. The "open relay" is making money from processing
the calls, and the end carrier is making money for terminating them. Until fine(s) -- hopefully millions of
them
People who are actually interested in this subject are well advised to
read this thoroughly because it equally applies to SIP spam with a
system far less complex and far fewer gaping security holes as STIR.
https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity18/sec18-hu.pdf
Mike
On 7
Nothing has changed for me either. Color me surprised. The real proof
will be to see if the originating domain can be determined, and whether
the receiving domain does anything about it.
Mike
On 7/9/21 9:42 AM, Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote:
I’m getting the same or more, but did anyone really e
On 7/9/21 1:36 PM, K. Scott Helms wrote:
Nothing will change immediately. Having said that, I do expect that
we will see much more effective enforcement. The investigations will
come from the ITG (Industry Traceback Group) with enforcement
coming from FCC or FTC depending on the actual offen
On 7/9/21 3:32 PM, K. Scott Helms wrote:
On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:47 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote:
On 7/9/21 1:36 PM, K. Scott Helms wrote:
> Nothing will change immediately. Having said that, I do expect
that
> we will see much
On 7/9/21 3:44 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
On Friday, 9 July, 2021 16:32, K. Scott Helms wrote:
Robocalls really aren't a product of the legacy PSTN. Today almost none
of them originate from anywhere but VOIP. Now, you can certainly say
that if SS7 had robust authentication mechanisms that we co
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