On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:30 AM, PHPirate <hollandpira...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the replies, so I would be very interested to run vim or emacs on > Windows (although I have never heard of any windows user doing so) but since > you both run a different OS you may not know how to set this up on Windows? > I'll try in any case later on, I think I should open a separate topic for > that I guess? > > For now, I found some tips at https://wiki.sagemath.org/Tips about usage > with vim, and a couple of vim plugins like > https://github.com/petRUShka/vim-sage but no complete installation guide. Is > there one? If not, if I manage to get it work I will write one myself then. > I really hope I will manage to run Sage scripts from within vim, as the wiki > hints is possible! > > In any case, conclusion for this topic: don't use PyCharm, try vim (or if > you want, emacs or atom or whatever) instead. > > Let me quote Martin Vahi... > "As a side note I say that I've noticed that software developers, me myself > included, are usually not as good at math as they _should_ and pure > mathematicians tend to be at software development not as good as they could. > That seems to explain a lot of things in this world. :-D"
I should maybe help clarify for you--if all you care about is *editing* files you don't need a full IDE, you just need an editor. All an editor does is edit files (though most advanced editors can do much more, with the proper extensions, such as run code or arbitrary shell commands). An IDE contains an editor as a central component, but it also has other development tools built into it like a compiler front-end, front-ends for build tools, debuggers, etc. (hence "integrated") rather than running an editor and those other tools as separate components. I wouldn't say one way of working is better or worse than another--it depends in part on personal preferences and how you think, as well as the type of project. I'd be surprised if any Sage developer uses a full IDE for anything except maybe if they happen to like their IDE's editor. This is in part because Sage has so many idiosyncrasies that a traditional IDE probably won't work too well with it without significant tweaking as you've found with trying to use it with PyCharm. I've personally never used an IDE for Python at all and I don't find it that useful, but do use an IDE (Eclipse) when working on Java, and Visual Studio when working on Windows-specific projects. If you like PyCharm for its editor you can certainly get it working (I provided instructions on the ask.sage question) to run code as well. It should be straightforward to set up PyCharm to parse .sage scripts through the sage-parser before running them with the plain Python interpreter too. But you might also be just as well off finding a stand-alone editor that you like. > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 10:25:14 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 8:20:18 PM UTC, David Roe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:55 AM, PHPirate <holland...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, that sounds a bit too difficult for me though so I'll just stick >>>> to writing in PyCharm and try to execute my Sage files via the Sage shell. >>>> >>>> But out of curiosity, am I the only one wanting to write scripts in >>>> Sage? Or are there other people using editors in the same way? >>> >>> >>> I think many people write scripts for Sage, though much of that >>> development isn't happening on Windows. Personally, I use emacs on OS X. >> >> >> I use vim on Linux (as well as, if needed, on OSX and on FreeBSD). Surely >> it does syntax highlighting for Python/Cython >> and with a small effort for Sage (as it's basically Python, language-wise) >> too... >> >> I know people using atom for the same purpose (and yes, emacs for sure). >> >> Vim and emacs run, natively, on Windows. IMHO Notepad is the last >> resort... >> >>> >>> David >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 5:42:50 PM UTC+1, Erik Bray wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:37 PM, PHPirate <holland...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Hm, it is at least worth a try (just saw your message on GH) Okay I >>>>> > can >>>>> > understand if Sage has no syntax highlighting in any IDE on Windows, >>>>> > but as >>>>> > the situation is now for me, is that there is no IDE in which you can >>>>> > type >>>>> > Sage and then hit 'run' and then get Sage output. Now I think I could >>>>> > write >>>>> > Sage in Notepad and then execute a Sage file via the Sage shell but >>>>> > I'm >>>>> > looking to shortcut that a bit (my expectations are quite lower now I >>>>> > know >>>>> > that Sage doesn't have a standard editor which everyone uses). >>>>> > >>>>> > But is it a bad idea to write Sage scripts? Did I misunderstand >>>>> > something, >>>>> > and should I use the console only? >>>>> >>>>> It's not at all a bad idea; it's just that if you want correct syntax >>>>> highlighting for it you'll have to use an editor for which there is >>>>> syntax highlighting support for Sage, or add it yourself to your >>>>> editor of choice. Certainly there's no reason to use notepad >>>>> regardless. It's just that different editors have different means of >>>>> providing syntax highlighting for new languages (where Sage's syntax >>>>> is just a small superset over pure Python syntax). >>>>> >>>>> More importantly, the default Python interpreter also isn't going to >>>>> know how to execute a Sage script, though it seems that in PyCharm >>>>> it's probably possible to configure the necessary options to pre-load >>>>> the Sage syntax parser and then pass it a .sage script, but I haven't >>>>> tried it yet. >>>>> >>>>> > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 2:06:09 PM UTC+1, Erik Bray wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> That sounds a bit bogus to me. I've never used PyCharm before and >>>>> >> don't >>>>> >> know how it works, but I suspect it could be made to work with >>>>> >> Cygwin's >>>>> >> Python. It's pretty low-priority for me though. I don't see how >>>>> >> using >>>>> >> PyCharm to edit sage source code would be useful--it won't even do >>>>> >> syntax >>>>> >> highlighting properly, unless I'm missing something. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:01:08 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I've already expalined here >>>>> >>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-windows/issues/12 that PyCharm >>>>> >>> doesn't >>>>> >>> support Cygwin Python, >>>>> >>> and thus it's not going to be trivial to fix. The reason that we >>>>> >>> must use >>>>> >>> Cygwin Python is that a number of essential Sage components (i.e. >>>>> >>> Python >>>>> >>> extensions you need) e.g. GAP, won't work natively on Windows, as >>>>> >>> they use >>>>> >>> fork() and other Unix/Posix specific system functions. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 12:19:56 PM UTC, PHPirate wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Thanks, it sounds reasonable. But do you mean the Jupyter notebook >>>>> >>>> included with Sage, which you can start with >>>>> >>>> sage --notebook ipython >>>>> >>>> from the Sage shell? I do not like notebooks such as this one and >>>>> >>>> Mathematica because they do not go well with a VCS. Is it then >>>>> >>>> possible to >>>>> >>>> use this Jupyter to edit and run Sage files saved in a better way, >>>>> >>>> like >>>>> >>>> python files? >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> > Groups >>>>> > "sage-devel" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> > send an >>>>> > email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "sage-devel" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. 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