On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 6:30:42 AM UTC, PHPirate wrote: > > Thanks for the replies, so I would be very interested to run vim or emacs > on Windows (although I have never heard of any windows user doing so) but > since you both run a different OS you may not know how to set this up on > Windows? >
Internet is awash with instructions on installing emacs/xemacs and vim/gvim on Windows. They are also available as a part of Cygwin and msys2. > I'll try in any case later on, I think I should open a separate topic for > that I guess? > > For now, I found some tips at https://wiki.sagemath.org/Tips about usage > with vim, and a couple of vim plugins like > https://github.com/petRUShka/vim-sage but no complete installation guide. > Is there one? If not, if I manage to get it work I will write one myself > then. > I really hope I will manage to run Sage scripts from within vim, as the > wiki hints is possible! > > In any case, conclusion for this topic: don't use PyCharm, try vim (or if > you want, emacs or atom or whatever) instead. > IMHO Erik wrote that it appears to be possible to use PyCharm with Cygwin Python. Thus it should be possible with Sage's Python too... > > Let me quote Martin Vahi... > "As a side note I say that I've noticed that software developers, me > myself included, are usually not as good at math as they _should_ and pure > mathematicians tend to be at software development not as good as they > could. That seems to explain a lot of things in this world. :-D" > > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 10:25:14 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 8:20:18 PM UTC, David Roe wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:55 AM, PHPirate <holland...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, that sounds a bit too difficult for me though so I'll just >>>> stick to writing in PyCharm and try to execute my Sage files via the Sage >>>> shell. >>>> >>>> But out of curiosity, am I the only one wanting to write scripts in >>>> Sage? Or are there other people using editors in the same way? >>>> >>> >>> I think many people write scripts for Sage, though much of that >>> development isn't happening on Windows. Personally, I use emacs on OS X. >>> >> >> I use vim on Linux (as well as, if needed, on OSX and on FreeBSD). Surely >> it does syntax highlighting for Python/Cython >> and with a small effort for Sage (as it's basically Python, >> language-wise) too... >> >> I know people using atom for the same purpose (and yes, emacs for sure). >> >> Vim and emacs run, natively, on Windows. IMHO Notepad is the last >> resort... >> >> >>> David >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 5:42:50 PM UTC+1, Erik Bray wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:37 PM, PHPirate <holland...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Hm, it is at least worth a try (just saw your message on GH) Okay I >>>>> can >>>>> > understand if Sage has no syntax highlighting in any IDE on Windows, >>>>> but as >>>>> > the situation is now for me, is that there is no IDE in which you >>>>> can type >>>>> > Sage and then hit 'run' and then get Sage output. Now I think I >>>>> could write >>>>> > Sage in Notepad and then execute a Sage file via the Sage shell but >>>>> I'm >>>>> > looking to shortcut that a bit (my expectations are quite lower now >>>>> I know >>>>> > that Sage doesn't have a standard editor which everyone uses). >>>>> > >>>>> > But is it a bad idea to write Sage scripts? Did I misunderstand >>>>> something, >>>>> > and should I use the console only? >>>>> >>>>> It's not at all a bad idea; it's just that if you want correct syntax >>>>> highlighting for it you'll have to use an editor for which there is >>>>> syntax highlighting support for Sage, or add it yourself to your >>>>> editor of choice. Certainly there's no reason to use notepad >>>>> regardless. It's just that different editors have different means of >>>>> providing syntax highlighting for new languages (where Sage's syntax >>>>> is just a small superset over pure Python syntax). >>>>> >>>>> More importantly, the default Python interpreter also isn't going to >>>>> know how to execute a Sage script, though it seems that in PyCharm >>>>> it's probably possible to configure the necessary options to pre-load >>>>> the Sage syntax parser and then pass it a .sage script, but I haven't >>>>> tried it yet. >>>>> >>>>> > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 2:06:09 PM UTC+1, Erik Bray wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> That sounds a bit bogus to me. I've never used PyCharm before and >>>>> don't >>>>> >> know how it works, but I suspect it could be made to work with >>>>> Cygwin's >>>>> >> Python. It's pretty low-priority for me though. I don't see how >>>>> using >>>>> >> PyCharm to edit sage source code would be useful--it won't even do >>>>> syntax >>>>> >> highlighting properly, unless I'm missing something. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:01:08 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I've already expalined here >>>>> >>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-windows/issues/12 that PyCharm >>>>> doesn't >>>>> >>> support Cygwin Python, >>>>> >>> and thus it's not going to be trivial to fix. The reason that we >>>>> must use >>>>> >>> Cygwin Python is that a number of essential Sage components (i.e. >>>>> Python >>>>> >>> extensions you need) e.g. GAP, won't work natively on Windows, as >>>>> they use >>>>> >>> fork() and other Unix/Posix specific system functions. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 12:19:56 PM UTC, PHPirate wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Thanks, it sounds reasonable. But do you mean the Jupyter >>>>> notebook >>>>> >>>> included with Sage, which you can start with >>>>> >>>> sage --notebook ipython >>>>> >>>> from the Sage shell? I do not like notebooks such as this one and >>>>> >>>> Mathematica because they do not go well with a VCS. Is it then >>>>> possible to >>>>> >>>> use this Jupyter to edit and run Sage files saved in a better >>>>> way, like >>>>> >>>> python files? >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> > "sage-devel" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an >>>>> > email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "sage-devel" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
