added zulip.sagemath.org link to https://wiki.sagemath.org ... it may be good to put it somewhere in https://trac.sagemath.org/
i think that this tool can be especially useful for new developers, and to start new collaborations. El miércoles, 9 de agosto de 2017, 9:58:58 (UTC+2), John Cremona escribió: > > Thanks for the additional comments -- very helpful. I did unsubscribe > from trac but then resubscribed to (quite a lot of) specific > components. This will be much more useful. (I resisted the > temptation to subscribe to trac-PLEASE CHANGE but can see that this > list of streams (or whatever tey are called) was generated > automatically! > > As a forum for a group working on a specific area, such as your > p-adics group, I can see that this will be very helpful. I had been > meaning to suggest -- quite apart from the introduction of zulip -- > that you (David Roe) posted a brief report on sage-devel describing > the virtual meetings you have had, how they worked (plusses and > minusses), as other groups might find that format worth following. > > John > > On 9 August 2017 at 06:41, David Roe <roed...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 4:02 AM, John Cremona <john.c...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> > >> Is it the intention that all Sage developers should use this new > >> system instead of the google group emails which we have used for many > >> years? Or as well? Has this been discussed anywhere, for example on > >> this list? > > > > > > It was never my intention for Zulip to replace this list. I see it > rather > > as complementary (and optional!). In particular, I think it's > reasonable to > > see how our usage of it evolves rather than prescribe a particular > division. > > I think Zulip can be useful when you want to get some quick feedback but > > don't think most people will care, since it's opt-in for whether people > are > > paying attention there. I think it's also nice as a way to generate > energy > > for working on things, since it feels more interactive than either trac > or > > e-mail. > > > > I don't think controversial decisions should be made on Zulip: > discussions > > where people might be upset that they missed them are better handled on > this > > list. > > > >> It is already hard to keep track of the email threads. I have looked > >> at the Zopa streams and find that after a short time there are dozens > >> if not hundreds of new things in the trac stream. Somewhere buried > >> in all that there might be some things of interest to me, but I don't > >> want to scan hundreds of messages every day just in case. > > > > > > You can unsubscribe from the trac stream and instead subscribe to > > "trac-elliptic curves", "trac-number fields", "trac-number theory" and > maybe > > a few others. Then the volume is much more managable. > > > >> > >> I already > >> get an email from trac when a ticket that I care about gets updated, > >> so why would I want this as well? > > > > > > I see a few reasons. First, because you can see activity on a broader > range > > of tickets, you can discover tickets that might be of interest to you > (that > > you aren't CCed on for example). Second, it's opt-in in terms of > attention. > > I try to pay attention when I get an e-mail, so I wouldn't want trac > e-mails > > on every ticket I might be interested in paying attention to at some > point. > > But if I have some time to look at other things (and review them > perhaps), > > then I can go look at the stream on Zulip and see what's new. > > > >> > >> I can see that this would work well for something like the online > >> collaborations you mention, but for everyday work I cannot see how it > >> is intended to be used. > > > > > > It may not be a good fit for you, and that's fine. But if you're > curious > > about how an active open source community uses Zulip, you can check out > > chat.zulip.org. Some of their usage is testing Zulip itself, but I > think a > > lot of the modes of interaction are more general to an open-source > project > > and could carry over to Sage. > > David > > P.S. The meeting today went well; I think the participants saw the value > in > > being able to keep multiple simultaneous conversations both interleaved > and > > separable. > > > >> > >> John > >> > >> On 8 August 2017 at 00:54, David Roe <roed...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> > Here's a status report from playing around with it for a few days. > >> > > >> > * I find it pretty interesting to watch the feeds of everything > that's > >> > happening on trac (you can also just focus on a single component). > >> > * I think that it will be quite useful for having online Sage Days, > >> > which > >> > have happened at various points in the past but not much in recent > >> > years. > >> > We're going to be having somewhat regular p-adics meetings on Zulip, > the > >> > first being tomorrow at 12pm EDT, 6pm CEST. Feel free to join us, or > >> > organize your own meetings. > >> > * If you want to ask me for a code review, that's what the code > review > >> > stream is for. :-) > >> > > >> > David > >> > > >> > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:02 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> Zulip was also founded and is run by Tim Abbott, who did a lot of > work > >> >> on > >> >> Sage in the past, mainly single-handedly getting Sage into Debian > back > >> >> in > >> >> 2007... He's now focusing a lot of effort on Zulip. > >> >> > >> >> -- William > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 9:44 AM David Roe <roed...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi everyone, > >> >>> I've set up a server running Zulip for realtime collaboration on > Sage. > >> >>> You can try it out at zulip.sagemath.org. More details below.... > >> >>> > >> >>> Zulip > >> >>> Zulip is an open source group chat program (see their website and > chat > >> >>> room). Zulip is organized into streams, and within each stream you > >> >>> can > >> >>> narrow by topic. I've set up a bunch of streams to start us off, > but > >> >>> you > >> >>> can also create your own. > >> >>> > >> >>> Signing up > >> >>> You can register using a google account, a github account, or by > >> >>> entering > >> >>> an e-mail and password. Note that the e-mail settings are not yet > >> >>> fully > >> >>> configured, so e-mails will most likely go to your spam filter; > check > >> >>> there > >> >>> first. If you have other problems registering, please let me know. > >> >>> > >> >>> Streams > >> >>> There is a set of default streams that you will be subscribed to > when > >> >>> you > >> >>> join, but there are lots more that you can find in the Manage > Streams > >> >>> menu > >> >>> in Settings. For example, you might want to subscribe to the > "number > >> >>> theory" and "padics" streams, or to the "combinatorics" and > "porting" > >> >>> streams. > >> >>> > >> >>> Integration with Trac > >> >>> I've set up a bot so that every update to trac gets sent to the > trac > >> >>> stream and to a stream for the component (e.g. trac-padics); you > can > >> >>> either > >> >>> subscribe to "trac" to get all notifications or to a set of > >> >>> components. > >> >>> Since trac's wiki language isn't the same as markdown, some of the > >> >>> formatting will be off. If you're interested in improving the bot, > >> >>> let me > >> >>> know! > >> >>> > >> >>> Audience > >> >>> For now, I want to see how well Zulip works for the Sage developers > >> >>> (for > >> >>> example, with enough critical mass of users it might become a good > >> >>> place to > >> >>> find people to review your tickets). Eventually, I could also see > >> >>> Zulip also > >> >>> being valuable as a place where users could ask questions. Some of > >> >>> the > >> >>> streams that I've set up are with this aim in mind. > >> >>> > >> >>> Hope to hear from you on Zulip! > >> >>> David > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >>> Groups > >> >>> "sage-devel" group. > >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> >>> an > >> >>> email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > >> >>> To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > >> >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> -- William Stein > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> >> Groups > >> >> "sage-devel" group. > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> >> an > >> >> email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > >> >> To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > >> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "sage-devel" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> > an > >> > email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > >> > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "sage-devel" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > >> email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > >> To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to sage-devel+...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > > To post to this group, send email to sage-...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. 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