Thanks for the additional comments -- very helpful. I did unsubscribe from trac but then resubscribed to (quite a lot of) specific components. This will be much more useful. (I resisted the temptation to subscribe to trac-PLEASE CHANGE but can see that this list of streams (or whatever tey are called) was generated automatically!
As a forum for a group working on a specific area, such as your p-adics group, I can see that this will be very helpful. I had been meaning to suggest -- quite apart from the introduction of zulip -- that you (David Roe) posted a brief report on sage-devel describing the virtual meetings you have had, how they worked (plusses and minusses), as other groups might find that format worth following. John On 9 August 2017 at 06:41, David Roe <roed.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 4:02 AM, John Cremona <john.crem...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Is it the intention that all Sage developers should use this new >> system instead of the google group emails which we have used for many >> years? Or as well? Has this been discussed anywhere, for example on >> this list? > > > It was never my intention for Zulip to replace this list. I see it rather > as complementary (and optional!). In particular, I think it's reasonable to > see how our usage of it evolves rather than prescribe a particular division. > I think Zulip can be useful when you want to get some quick feedback but > don't think most people will care, since it's opt-in for whether people are > paying attention there. I think it's also nice as a way to generate energy > for working on things, since it feels more interactive than either trac or > e-mail. > > I don't think controversial decisions should be made on Zulip: discussions > where people might be upset that they missed them are better handled on this > list. > >> It is already hard to keep track of the email threads. I have looked >> at the Zopa streams and find that after a short time there are dozens >> if not hundreds of new things in the trac stream. Somewhere buried >> in all that there might be some things of interest to me, but I don't >> want to scan hundreds of messages every day just in case. > > > You can unsubscribe from the trac stream and instead subscribe to > "trac-elliptic curves", "trac-number fields", "trac-number theory" and maybe > a few others. Then the volume is much more managable. > >> >> I already >> get an email from trac when a ticket that I care about gets updated, >> so why would I want this as well? > > > I see a few reasons. First, because you can see activity on a broader range > of tickets, you can discover tickets that might be of interest to you (that > you aren't CCed on for example). Second, it's opt-in in terms of attention. > I try to pay attention when I get an e-mail, so I wouldn't want trac e-mails > on every ticket I might be interested in paying attention to at some point. > But if I have some time to look at other things (and review them perhaps), > then I can go look at the stream on Zulip and see what's new. > >> >> I can see that this would work well for something like the online >> collaborations you mention, but for everyday work I cannot see how it >> is intended to be used. > > > It may not be a good fit for you, and that's fine. But if you're curious > about how an active open source community uses Zulip, you can check out > chat.zulip.org. Some of their usage is testing Zulip itself, but I think a > lot of the modes of interaction are more general to an open-source project > and could carry over to Sage. > David > P.S. The meeting today went well; I think the participants saw the value in > being able to keep multiple simultaneous conversations both interleaved and > separable. > >> >> John >> >> On 8 August 2017 at 00:54, David Roe <roed.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Here's a status report from playing around with it for a few days. >> > >> > * I find it pretty interesting to watch the feeds of everything that's >> > happening on trac (you can also just focus on a single component). >> > * I think that it will be quite useful for having online Sage Days, >> > which >> > have happened at various points in the past but not much in recent >> > years. >> > We're going to be having somewhat regular p-adics meetings on Zulip, the >> > first being tomorrow at 12pm EDT, 6pm CEST. Feel free to join us, or >> > organize your own meetings. >> > * If you want to ask me for a code review, that's what the code review >> > stream is for. :-) >> > >> > David >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 1:02 PM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Zulip was also founded and is run by Tim Abbott, who did a lot of work >> >> on >> >> Sage in the past, mainly single-handedly getting Sage into Debian back >> >> in >> >> 2007... He's now focusing a lot of effort on Zulip. >> >> >> >> -- William >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 9:44 AM David Roe <roed.m...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi everyone, >> >>> I've set up a server running Zulip for realtime collaboration on Sage. >> >>> You can try it out at zulip.sagemath.org. More details below.... >> >>> >> >>> Zulip >> >>> Zulip is an open source group chat program (see their website and chat >> >>> room). Zulip is organized into streams, and within each stream you >> >>> can >> >>> narrow by topic. I've set up a bunch of streams to start us off, but >> >>> you >> >>> can also create your own. >> >>> >> >>> Signing up >> >>> You can register using a google account, a github account, or by >> >>> entering >> >>> an e-mail and password. Note that the e-mail settings are not yet >> >>> fully >> >>> configured, so e-mails will most likely go to your spam filter; check >> >>> there >> >>> first. If you have other problems registering, please let me know. >> >>> >> >>> Streams >> >>> There is a set of default streams that you will be subscribed to when >> >>> you >> >>> join, but there are lots more that you can find in the Manage Streams >> >>> menu >> >>> in Settings. For example, you might want to subscribe to the "number >> >>> theory" and "padics" streams, or to the "combinatorics" and "porting" >> >>> streams. >> >>> >> >>> Integration with Trac >> >>> I've set up a bot so that every update to trac gets sent to the trac >> >>> stream and to a stream for the component (e.g. trac-padics); you can >> >>> either >> >>> subscribe to "trac" to get all notifications or to a set of >> >>> components. >> >>> Since trac's wiki language isn't the same as markdown, some of the >> >>> formatting will be off. If you're interested in improving the bot, >> >>> let me >> >>> know! >> >>> >> >>> Audience >> >>> For now, I want to see how well Zulip works for the Sage developers >> >>> (for >> >>> example, with enough critical mass of users it might become a good >> >>> place to >> >>> find people to review your tickets). Eventually, I could also see >> >>> Zulip also >> >>> being valuable as a place where users could ask questions. Some of >> >>> the >> >>> streams that I've set up are with this aim in mind. >> >>> >> >>> Hope to hear from you on Zulip! >> >>> David >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups >> >>> "sage-devel" group. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> >>> an >> >>> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- William Stein >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups >> >> "sage-devel" group. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> >> an >> >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "sage-devel" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> > an >> > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. 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