I don't think that anyone is making a case specifically against French Universities any more than they are making a case against American univerisities.
Some of us now have now had bad experiences on both sides of the Atlantic (specifically France because they do host a lot of Free Software infrastructure, not because they are French). For example, I have had tickets and emails ignored for almost a year in one case. University admins the world over are not equipped to support large Open Source international projects as reliably as we'd like. William is 100% right here. We should not be relying on specific universities, especially when that would add to the load of sysadmins who will just end up ignoring tickets, even when there is a system explicit set up to deal with such problems. Bill. On Tuesday, 7 June 2016 17:16:09 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 3:24:43 PM UTC+1, Thierry > (sage-googlesucks@xxx) wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Jun 06, 2016 at 02:35:22PM -0400, William Stein wrote: >> [...] >> > I am flat out strongly against hosting the Sage wiki, trac, etc.,. >> > They should be properly hosted in the cloud, where anybody can be >> > added as admins, >> >> FUD >> >> > we can make global backups, >> >> FUD >> >> > move the machines to have a presence anywhere in the world (due to many >> > data centers all over), >> >> FUD >> >> > etc. >> >> FUD >> >> > I feel like I've been way too hesitant regarding expressing my >> > opinions about the Sage infrastructure for the last year. >> > >> > -- William >> >> >> Following the "don't feed the troll" principle, i did not answer all your >> (and Dima's) previous attacks against myself and the people who currently >> work on the Sage infrastructure, but this is going too far. Some examples >> include: >> >> - spreading wrong and racist statements about french universities and how >> they manage access to VMs [1] >> > > As [1] refers to a post by me, I think I must clarify that [1] is based on > my personal experience > mostly in Uni. Rennes II about 7-10 years ago. Perhaps I should say that I > spent a number of months there > on a number of occasions; as well as spending several more months visiting > Uni. Brest, IHP, and ENS. > None of them offered (or agreed) to keep my computer account open for more > than a couple of months after my departure. > > And in most places local system admin was almost non-existent. > Well, not that I know many places where > it's considerably better, and I did visit few dozens of universities and > research institutes for more or less > extended periods, that involved dealing with IT. And this is why I think > that confining things > to hosting at a particular university is not a good idea. > > And for "rasist", I don't even have a clue what you meant. Really. > I think it's just a plain insult in my address. > > Dima > > - suggesting that nobody was working on the migration while you know that >> we are working to set things up correctly (e.g. remote backup system), >> and considering that workers are at your disposal, this is extremly >> patronizing [2] >> - maintaining the confusion between university hosting and the very bad >> practices that led us to this situation [3] [4] >> >> If you and Dima deign to apologize and consider the people who work for >> Sage with some respect, perhaps might we start a constructive discussion >> on the benefits of having a collectively-managed decentralized >> University-hosted infrastructure for the Sage services. >> >> Ciao, >> Thierry >> >> [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel/84915 >> [2] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel/86960 >> [3] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel/86954 >> [4] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mathematics.sage.devel/84894 >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
