William, Volker, et al... I think you misunderstand Karl. He has stated what is ideal, but I think from his messages that he understands we do not have the manpower within the group of people who can commit time to Sage to make his ideal happen.
What he is asking is that you avoid doing this transition in a manner that blindsides many people who are using Sage (especially for teaching using servers they maintain). If ipynb is going to be the default it needs to launch the first time with messages on the command line and in the browser that explain how to use the Old notebook if necessary and with some advice on conversion, if any exists. It would also be nice to have a brief list of key notebook features that do not yet work in ipynb. I suggest language like: WARNING!! If you have been using Sagemath using the Sagenotebook (default prior to ____) for interactive Sagemath sessions in a browser, you should be aware that Sagenotebook is no longer the default. The default is ipynb (web link..). You can launch the older Sagenotebook as described below. However, unless you need the following features which do not yet exist in ipynb we recommend you use the new ipynb, as it has better support: ___list of missing features___. To use the the old default ... Regards, Jonathan On Saturday, January 2, 2016 at 1:13:58 PM UTC-6, William wrote: > > > Karl, > > It's not "the usual F/LOSS problem", it's the usual problem of a > volunteer project with almost no funding. There is a ton of high > quality well funded FLOSS software out there that doesn't have this > problem (e.g., Firefox, Chromium, parts of OS X, the swift language, > ...) > > For better or worse, I think we just have to acknowledge the reality of > the > situation, and move on and do a very bad job in the above > regards compared to the well funded alternatives until/if we do > eventually get funding. Right now, it is best of the Sage project > focuses squarely on its core competence, which is research level pure > mathematics, (and I hope also undergrad math teaching). > > I think there is no question that if some group popped up and > implemented all the automated backwards compatibility, and other nice > things that you describe above, all very good quality, and with proper > review on trac, then Volker would smile and merge it in seconds. > Implementing this stuff we want is precisely what is nearly > impossibly hard for any sane research mathematician to justify > spending serious time on. > > For now, let's just move on, make Jupyter (which just got $6,000,000 > in funding recently) the default, and deal with the pain and continued > failure to grow. Maybe someday things will be different. > > -- William > > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
