On 16 September 2015 at 19:03, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 16 September 2015 at 10:36, Nathann Cohen <nathann.co...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dima, >> >>> E.g. as far as I am concerned, it's thanks to ODK, which pays 50% of my >>> salary, that I can set aside time for this. >> >> You are of course welcome (and probably bound) to spend 50% of your working >> time >> on whatever is in OpenDreamKit's plan. >> >> Now, I'm sorry to say that I read Nicolas' message as an accountant's >> attempt to >> try to fit in his report something that has not even been done yet, and does >> not >> seem (according to him) to clearly enter its scope. Which is why I got the >> impression that he planned to stamp 'ODK' on whatever happened to pass by, >> >> to claim later that it had been done 'thanks to ODK'. > > No, your impression is wrong. It is an unfortunate reality that EU > (and other) grants come with all sorts of bells and whistles attached, > and one needs accounting tricks to bend the rules they set up to spend > money on what's important. And maintaining UW hardware for Sage is > important for success of ODK, there is no question about it. > > If ODK did not materialize, there is no telling what sorts of > implications it would have on Sage as a project, but surely nothing > positive.
It is a legal requirement for work supported financially by the ODK grant -- which definitely include's Dima's 50% time -- to acknowledge that support. Moreover Dima and others whose time is supported even in small part by that grant (e.g. for me, 3 person-months over 4 years which translates into about 2 days per week) are required to keep time sheets so that an auditor can be satisfied that the money paid by the EC for that timew has been spent on what it was provided for. Yes, it is very bureaucratic but the benefits outweight that! John > > Please try to understand, once again, that you are at CNRS in a very > fortunate and exceptional position, and many people are much less > lucky. Try to get a grant and manage it to see my point :-) > > Dima > >> >> I'm sure that there are enough original ideas in ODK's project to keep >> everybody >> busy for 5 years, and I surely won't blame you for working hard on them. >> >> Nathann >> >> P.S.: nothing indeed prevents you from working on topics unrelated to ODK >> during >> the other 50% of your time, e.g. I am not paid to write Sage code. > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage.math users" group. > To post to this group, send email to sagemath-us...@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > sagemath-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/sagemath-users > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage.math users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sagemath-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
