On Friday, 29 August 2014 13:17:40 UTC+2, Volker Braun wrote: > > First of all, it always saddens me when the ugly head of nationalism rears > its head. I thought the time where we only support German science were > over... >
You have misunderstood. When applying for German funding, the rules will naturally state that the project must benefit the people paying for the work, namely German companies and Mutter und Vater taxpayer. When applying for European funding, the rules will naturally state that the funding must benefit the people paying for the work, namely the European Union members. The idea that European funds should be used primarily to support an international project *with no direct benefit to European projects* invoked in the grant is patently a non-starter. That's just as bad, in my opinion, as taking public funds to work on a closed source mathematical system! > > What sets Sage apart from GAP/Singular (and, I dare say: Flint) is the > scale and the diversity of its contributors. > No, what sets it apart is the number of contributors. Flint has had contributors from all over the world. I would say from every continent except Africa and Antarctica. We are talking about how to mount a campaign for European funding, not about nationalising Open Source projects. And we are talking about the maintainers and core developers of projects, not their volunteer contributors. The reality is Singular is run out of Kaiserslautern, Germany, Pari out of Bordeaux, France and Gap out of St. Andrews UK. They all have volunteer contributors all over the place. But these are not paid employees, or at the least volunteers paid by another University (to primarily do teaching or research)! Flint is too small to be owned by a given university. The two core developers currently aren't even at the same institution. It has received EPSRC (UK support), DFG (German support), Austrian support and had a developer at Harvard for a time. Even its maintainer (me) has been supported from grants in two separate European countries! Flint has also had salaries/stipends paid for from Google Summer of Code and from MSRI. Saying that it is a US (or European) project is just completely wrong. > > It was started by William Stein at the University of Washington. A large portion of the funding that built that project up came from grants of William Stein and other funding he obtained, including from the NSF. He is also in the process of trying to build a company in collaboration with the University of Washington to make money to fund Sage development. The Sage Foundation is run through the University of Washington. If I donate to the project, the money is handled by the University of Washington. There is no way that you can justify the assertion that Sage is not primarily administered out of the US. And it has oodles of unpaid developers all over the world. > > On Friday, August 29, 2014 11:46:14 AM UTC+1, Bill Hart wrote: >> >> This is all to say nothing of the glaring problems, such as the lack of >> Windows 64 support >> > > Wait, did you just do a 180 and say that we should drop everything to > boost the market share of a failing north American software company? ;-) > No. I never suggested that contributions of code should be made to Microsoft. Bill. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.