On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM, kcrisman <kcris...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Two remarks: >> >> 1. It makes no sense for this post to go to the sage-release mailing >> list. It should go to sage-flame (or maybe sage-devel). It > > > > Here is a sage-devel reason.
OK, thread moved to sage-devel. >> 2. > I can cite several reasons for the SAGE has failed and all the >> reasons can still be corrected: >> >> Failed by what measure? You gave a list of things you don't like >> about Sage. I appreciate your list and the effort you put into it very >> much of course. Your list suggests I should clarify what I mean by >> "a viable alternative to Magma, etc.". By that I primarily mean the >> truly deep aspects of Sage relevant to *research mathematicians*, > > > Bingo, please clarify. To me, "viable alternative" means just that. > Frankly, why did you include Matlab if you care about research > mathematicians? Dima's answered this well. > Why does "viable" not include useful for all sorts of > research problems, not just some? It does. I'm just giving some concrete examples that I'm familiar with. I welcome people in other areas of mathematics with similar functional discrepancies to share the differences between what Sage can do and what Ma* can do. > (And yes, we can do a lot better there, > obviously, though so can the competitors.) Why does "viable" not include for > all the OTHER things people use Sage for? Indeed, it does! I just mean that it must include research mathematics -- the original poster in this thread was only listing things that were orthogonal to research math. > You didn't include in your > mission statement "a viable research replacement for" but "a viable > alternative", and that is really a lot different. > > But please don't change the mission statement! +1 -- you're right. > Your own personal one can > still be the research piece, that is cool. But I think Sage has experienced > a lot of the success it has precisely because you didn't see a problem with > sharing with a broader vision than just the research community. Sage is > unique because it is Free from Freshman year to Fields Medal. That is > pretty darn awesome, and has motivated a lot of the people who have poured a > lot of hours into it, making it a stable OSS project with lots of users > around the world. It may not succeed in precisely the way you want it, but > I think there are an awful lot of ways it has. Thanks for the encouragement and kind words. Still, I really, *really* want it to succeed in precisely the way I want it to succeed. This discussion started with people wondering why I'm putting effort into SageMathCloud, and I'm just trying to justify why I'm taking such possibly desperate measures at this point, and why I hope the community will support me on doing so. William > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-release" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to sage-rele...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-release. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org wst...@uw.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
