> On 11/08/11 13:37, William Stein wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Michael Orlitzky <mich...@orlitzky.com> 
wrote:
> >> (I use Sage on Gentoo)
> >> 
> >> For maintainers, the argument is that a package manager should handle
> >> dependencies for you. It's easier to write the dependencies down in a
> >> text file than it is to maintain and ship them all with every release.
> >> 
> >> For many users and some developers, it's easier to have everything
> >> packaged together.
> >> 
> >> I don't think these two are mutually exclusive. If sage-on-gentoo
> >> succeeds [...]
> > 
> > I was under the impression that "sage-on-gentoo" has already
> > succeeded.    What am I missing?  What are the goals for
> > sage-on-gentoo, if it hasn't succeeded?
> 
> I didn't have a particular milestone in mind. It was tried before in the
> science overlay, but there were a lot of patches and workarounds to
> maintain, and eventually the developers burnt out. I did too, and went
> back to compiling the tarballs.
> 
> I guess I would consider it a success if the sage-on-gentoo guys can
> keep up their current pace without getting tired.

I guess you could call the sage-on-gentoo lead. In a lot of ways we have
succeded. But total victory will only be achieved when we move from
our overlay to the main Gentoo tree. There are a few sticky points before
we can reach that goal, pexpect-2.0 comes to mind, fortunately everything
I have installed seem to be OK with it rather than asking for 2.4 or else.
Moving to the flask notebook will also be step towards the main tree (no more
twisted-web2). I'd like zodb gone, it is minor but it would be good if it was 
gone.

In some ways we have moved to a next phase. I am very active in the
sage comunity by making contributions serving the agenda of getting
sage to work on top of a linux distro (it's not just for Gentoo, Paulo from
Mandriva is also benefitting). I have pushed and chased all of the changes 
necessary for having sage building with python-2.7 out of the box in the 
last few months for example. Getting sage itself to move to python-2.7
is a little further away but Gentoo and Mandriva have already moved on.
Recently Paulo chased an issue he had with ecl and the patch is in 4.7.2.
 
And by the way thanks for using sage-on-gentoo, we get tired but a pat
on the back helps a lot.

Francois

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