I believe all that David was saying was that our LatticeQuotients
should probably inherit from a new FreeModule_ZZ_quotient class
instead of from AbelianGroups, since the latter are not fully
developed sage objects yet...

On Apr 28, 11:29 am, "John Cremona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David, I don't think you understood my suggestion.   We are talking
> about groups A which are finitely-generated and torsion-free, so
> abstractly isomorphic to Z^n, together with a suitable blinear
> function on AxA taking values in Z or Q, and I wish to include R
> -valued forms.
>
> John
>
> 2008/4/28 David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>
> >  On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  >  SEP
>
> >  >  Implement Lattices over ZZ, with pairings into QQ or ZZ
>
> >  >  0. (Maybe) Implement a FreeModule_ZZ_quotient class. This would also
> >  >  allow for constructing abelian groups in the sort of canonical way
> >  >  (something people have been asking for...)
>
> >  >  1. Implement a LatticeModule class, which will inherit from
> >  >  FreeModule_generic_pid: instances of LatticeModule will inherit an
> >  >  underlying free ZZ module and make use of the optional
> >  >  inner_product_matrix property.
>
> >  >  This shouldn't just be a free ZZ module with inner product matrix,
> >  >  since we want specific functions for computing the dual lattice, etc.
> >  >  which are more appropriate in a Lattice class.
> >  >   a. Attributes will include
> >  >     - is_euclidean (whether the inner product matrix is symmetric,
> >  >  rather than skew-symmetric)
> >  >     - is_integral (whether the image of the pairing is in ZZ or QQ)
> >  >     - discriminant (the determinant of the matrix [<a_i,a_j>], where
> >  >  {a_i} is a basis for the module).  A lattice is nondegenerate if its
> >  >  discriminant is nonvanishing.
> >  >   b.  Euclidean lattices also have the attributes:
> >  >     - signature
> >  >     - even/odd (whether <a,a> \in 2 ZZ for all a)
> >  >   c. Use L.<a,b> for the pairing induced on module elements by the
> >  >  inner product matrix.
>
> >  >  2. Implement a SubLatticeModule class, which will inherit from
> >  >  FreeModule_submodule_with_basis_pid and from Lattice, but override
> >  >  L.<a,b> for the inner product.
> >  >    a.  Function is_primitive (a sublattice M of a lattice L is
> >  >  primitive if L/M is a free ZZ-module)
> >  >    b.  Functions to get parent lattice and sublattice as LatticeModule
> >  >  objects.
>
> >  >  3. Implement a LatticeQuotient class (for now, just full sublattices,
> >  >  i.e., finite quotients).
> >  >   -- Inherit from FreeModule_ZZ_quotient?
> >  >   -- Inherit from AbelianGroup?
>
> >  -1 is my vote on this. Infinite AbelianGroup instances are not
> >  completely implemented.
>
> >  >   -- Inherit from nothing?
> >  >  ( The question here is what the underlying structure for a
> >  >  LatticeQuotient should actually be. The important thing is how will
> >  >  someone want to access elements of a LatticeQuotient? )
> >  >    a.  Attributes will include a quadratic_form_matrix with entries
> >  >  defined over QQ/ZZ or QQ/2ZZ
>
> >  >  4. Create a dual_lattice function for integral euclidean lattices,
> >  >  with optional "embedding" argument
>
> >  >  5. Implement a dual_quotient function for integral euclidean lattices
> >  >  which returns a LatticeQuotient.
>
> >  >  6. Implement isomorphism tests for indefinite integral euclidean
> >  >  lattices.
>
> >  >  -- Robert Miller, Andrey Novoseltsev, Ursula Whitcher
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