On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 10:12 PM William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 7:06 PM Trevor Karn <trevor.k.k...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Maybe we can all take a breath here. Everyone here is passionate about > making Sage as good as it can be. This seems to be getting a bit too heated > right now. > > > > +1 - I just wanted to offer some helpful links and support, and now I > feel like I'm being "flame baited. I'm out. > I agree with Trevor; everyone needs to be respectful, especially if they feel strongly about the topic being discussed. Dima and Marc are both contributing greatly to the Sage project in many ways, but the relevant ones right now are that 1. Dima is the person most likely to respond when users come to either sage-devel or sage-support and ask for help with build problems. This is extremely valuable to the project. 2. Marc maintains our Mac application, which makes Sage easy to install and use on Macs. This is extremely valuable to the project. Dima started this thread because he believes that the Python spkg in Sage is making the support he's providing users harder. Marc believes that this change would make his work more difficult. As a community, we need to make a decision about what to do with this proposal, but rather than thinking about it as picking a side, we should think about what the costs are on each side and how we can help mitigate them and help Dima and Marc. Concretely, Dima, can you expand a bit on how the Python spkg was complicating the build situation here <https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/YSiaVdsLKQg/m/HYnS8hUACAAJ>? Marc, what would be involved in building a signed Mac app if we needed to include Python in another way than an spkg? I appreciate what both of you are doing, as I'm sure that everyone else does as well. David > William > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 8:55 PM Marc Culler <marc.cul...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Actually, that does not even come close to solving the problem. > >> > >> You don't have any experience with building the Sage_macOS package, > obviously, so you don't know what the problems are. > >> > >> - Marc > >> > >> On Thursday, April 3, 2025 at 8:45:48 PM UTC-5 dim...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> > >>> On 3 April 2025 17:48:00 GMT-05:00, Marc Culler <marc....@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> >This will unnecessarily make it more difficult to build the Sage_mac > OS > >>> >binary package. In order to make that package easy to install in the > way > >>> >that normal macOS users expect, it must be signed and notarized. In > order > >>> >to notarize the package it must be self-contained. > >>> > >>> Fine, install Python from python.org (which is easier than building > >>> our Python spkg from source), or any other way, and package it > >>> instead. > >>> Problem solved. > >>> > >>> Dima > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "sage-devel" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/-ASHfAXqVYo/unsubscribe. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/75629f0f-59fe-4680-9151-ab3d673566fdn%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAJ6VCMBsC9Uq_vO7AXQNUKWaptaRu%3D0rRm9EnSQToGhsmnTHtw%40mail.gmail.com > . > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CACLE5GAsvDby%3DQMz6im%2BOJw4rkDn%3DswBUzaQw8x6LN5%3DGH_K%2BA%40mail.gmail.com > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAChs6_%3D%3DR%2BinCPF4KwXJ3b2zTDPGatftRO6mCw59Zf9g5zAPRw%40mail.gmail.com.
