On Jan 18, 9:05 pm, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ondrej wrote:
> > Speaking only for myself, I don't like java too. But I have a very
> > narrow minded opinion here,
> > I am sure others will not agree with me completely. I know it's GPL,
> > but that's already
> > more than a year (isn't it?), but it still isn't in Debian main, for
> > some legal or technical problems.
> > It is in non-free, so I can still install it with one command (apt-get
> > install sun-java5-plugin) and it
> > works out of the box in all browsers, but I am very picky, I don't
> > want to depend on something
> > that isn't in main (that includes Sage too for the moment). I hope
> > Sage will get into Debian
> > eventually, and java hopefully too. But I don't want to wait 30 years
> > for that. :)
>
> "One of the problems slowing down the complete availability of Java as
> open source is that some pieces of code are not owned by Sun and could
> not be released. Therefore, Sun and the community had to develop its
> own replacements, and those are not trivial tasks. Reinhold said Sun
> currently has early versions of the font rasterizer done, a
> cryptography component and the graphics rasterizer, which is in a
> pretty raw state.
>
> Sun was asked repeatedly who were the developers of these products and
> why they were so intransigent about releasing the code as open source,
> but Sun diplomatically declined. All Simon Phipps, chief open source
> officer at Sun would say is "If people don't want to work with us
> we'll work around them."
> (http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3705326)
>
> There are a significant number of people inside and outside of Sun who
> are pushing hard to make Java completely free, including Sun's Chief
> Operating Systems Platform Strategist Ian Murdock (who some might
> recognize as the founder of Debian :-)
> (http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3676246)
>
> So there is a very high probability that Java is is going to be made
> completely free in a reasonable time frame.
Well, there is Iced Tea which replaces all binary/propriatary bits
from Sun's JDK with components from open source Java reimplementation
efforts. So it is already a reality, but Debian's policy to ship a
broken Java tool chain per default in case of Etch is to blame here in
the end.
> Ted
Cheers,
Michael
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