On Jan 18, 2008 9:13 PM, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 18, 9:05 pm, "Ted Kosan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ondrej wrote: > > > Speaking only for myself, I don't like java too. But I have a very > > > narrow minded opinion here, > > > I am sure others will not agree with me completely. I know it's GPL, > > > but that's already > > > more than a year (isn't it?), but it still isn't in Debian main, for > > > some legal or technical problems. > > > It is in non-free, so I can still install it with one command (apt-get > > > install sun-java5-plugin) and it > > > works out of the box in all browsers, but I am very picky, I don't > > > want to depend on something > > > that isn't in main (that includes Sage too for the moment). I hope > > > Sage will get into Debian > > > eventually, and java hopefully too. But I don't want to wait 30 years > > > for that. :) > > > > "One of the problems slowing down the complete availability of Java as > > open source is that some pieces of code are not owned by Sun and could > > not be released. Therefore, Sun and the community had to develop its > > own replacements, and those are not trivial tasks. Reinhold said Sun > > currently has early versions of the font rasterizer done, a > > cryptography component and the graphics rasterizer, which is in a > > pretty raw state. > > > > Sun was asked repeatedly who were the developers of these products and > > why they were so intransigent about releasing the code as open source, > > but Sun diplomatically declined. All Simon Phipps, chief open source > > officer at Sun would say is "If people don't want to work with us > > we'll work around them." > > (http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3705326) > > > > There are a significant number of people inside and outside of Sun who > > are pushing hard to make Java completely free, including Sun's Chief > > Operating Systems Platform Strategist Ian Murdock (who some might > > recognize as the founder of Debian :-) > > (http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3676246) > > > > So there is a very high probability that Java is is going to be made > > completely free in a reasonable time frame.
Thanks for this information. That's interesting. > Well, there is Iced Tea which replaces all binary/propriatary bits > from Sun's JDK with components from open source Java reimplementation > efforts. So it is already a reality, but Debian's policy to ship a > broken Java tool chain per default in case of Etch is to blame here in > the end. I am using sid (unstable), not etch. And it is not in sid either. Thanks for updating my ticket. :) I wanted to say it's on my todo, but then I decided I'll do it now: http://sagetrac.org/sage_trac/ticket/1633 It turned out just "9" needs to be changed to "11" in one file in the spkg, and then rerun some scripts. But the Sage sympy tests didn't run, so I am postponing this until I fix them (I mean until I fix sympy, not the tests). Currently, if you want to read something for amusement, you can read here how I got bitten by py.test not executing some tests in sympy: http://groups.google.com/group/nose-users/browse_thread/thread/8db78d06c500de9d so I tried nosetests and failed too and so far traced the problem down to using "import *" in some of the tests. I am talking about this, becuase when testing the new sympy spkg, the Sage tests reported that sympify(1) cannot convert Sage "1" to sympy "1", but I do wrote a test for this in sympy and all tests do pass in the latest release. But yesterday I discovered that py.test silently doesn't run some of the tests and those tests (guess) don't pass. So I want to get this fixed first and then look at the spkg package again. I feared all the time, that the testing suite will report all tests as "a-ok", but silently skipping some (failing) tests, without me or any other sympy developer noticing it. So it happened just now. Is there some mechanism against it in Sage? I.e. how sure you are that all tests were executed before a release? Ondrej --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
