Hi Timothy. Thanks for the detailed answer. I couldn't hold myself and opened up a blog named: sagemath.wordpress.com
If any one wishes to take upon himself to enter content into it - he can just create a user name at: http://wordpress.com/signup/ And Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the Email you subscribed with - and you'll get posting privileges. (let me know who wants Admin privileges and I'll happily give them) With regards, Tal. On Dec 9, 4:13 pm, Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It helpful for me if you guys came up with some recommendations for > cleanup of the wiki and any wishlists you may have for it. I would > incorporate that discussion into the future ticket called "Improve > Sage Wiki" for GHOP. Thanks! > > On Dec 9, 5:53 am, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > dortmund.de> wrote: > > On Dec 9, 2:23 pm, Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Tal, > > > > I'm in the middle of writing documentation tickets for pre-university > > > students in the Python part of the Google Highly Participation > > > Contest. One ticket will be "Access a Sage Notebook and record a 10-20 > > > minute screencast demonstrating input evaluation, docstring and source > > > lookup, tab-completion, LaTeX and HTML output, and 2D & 3D plotting." > > > > List of future documentation tasks for the contest: > > > * Record a screencast on the Sage Notebook > > > * Make 40 screenshots of the Sage Notebook and write titles and > > > captions for them > > > * Create a web tour of Sage similar tohttp://picasa.google.com/features, > > > see attempt athttp://whatissage.timothyclemans.com > > > * Record a screencast on symbolic computation in Sage > > > * Improve Sage Wiki (http://wiki.sagemath.org) > > > * Translate "SAGE Programming For Newbies" (http:// > > > sage.math.washington.edu/home/tkosan/newbies_book/) to another > > > language > > > * Create four good examples of mathematical art with the Sage > > > interface to Tachyon > > > * Create more advanced examples than the ones in the Sage > > > documentation of 2D plotting > > > * > > > Implementhttp://amath.colorado.edu/computing/mmm/forSageathttp://rosettacode.org > > > * Write 30 Sage programs to be added to entries at Sloane's OEIS, > > > seehttp://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b58279... > > > > We already have numerous talks on Sage on Google Video, > > > seehttp://video.google.com/videosearch?q=sagemath.org&so=0&num=10anda > > > number of PDFs from talks. > > > > I worked on the makings of an interactive introduction to Sage, > > > seehttp://whatissage.timothyclemans.com. > > > > There is work on getting R merged into Sage, but I don't know much > > > about what is happening. > > > > Timothy > > > > On Dec 9, 5:02 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Robert and everyone. > > > > > a few small suggestions > > > > 1) the main page gives lots of options SAGE has, but no direct links > > > > to tutorial material . and when I went to the tutorial page - I > > > > couldn't find instructions on how to do what the main page promised > > > > me. I am guessing the bounce rate for the main page is rather high (I > > > > hope you have some sort of website analytics installed on the site - > > > > since I didn't see google analytics in the code) > > > Well, the website can certainly be improved, but I don't like the idea > > of inserting tracking scripts. That is the exact reason I filter out > > all that junk via proxy. > > > > > 2) Consider creating a large shiny button titles "Download SAGE for > > > > XXX(windows/linux)" link (instead of just a text link) > > > I really don't see the benefit of that. What might be a good idea is > > to offer buttons with the needed html code for other sides to diretly > > jump to a download page. > > > > > 3) take the time to create some powerpoint presentation with > > > > screenshots demonstrating what SAGE is, and can do, and how to do it - > > > > and embad it in your website usingwww.slideshare.net > > > There are literally dozens of presentations on Sage, some can be found > > in the Why? section, but linking them from some wiki page might make > > sense. > > > > > 4) you have a video of what SAGE can do - put it on youtube or google > > > > video or vidler, and share it with the world. > > > As pointed out above there is plenty of material at google video, but > > more links form a central place in the wiki is a good idea. > > > > > The way it looks now - the website doesn't give me the feel "come and > > > > play with SAGE - it's easy" - and it's a shame it doesn't. > > > > > Also - it seems your main point is your community - then tell "the > > > > world" about it, that's where blogs can be used. upload some photos of > > > > your meetings (flickr), give some pointers as to what you are doing > > > > and where you are heading - help others (like me ) understand that you > > > > are a live community - that i should want to join. (like the wordpress > > > > and R and linux communities are). > > > > > P.s: Another question I can't seem to find the answer to - Should I be > > > > interested in investing my time in SAGE If I am already using R. what > > > > advantages would an SAGE-R hybrid give me ? > > > Well, Sage does more than R, even thought some people have pointed out > > that R has many optional components that link to many of the systems > > that Sage integrates. Many people have requested R to be part of Sage > > and since it is *the* open source statistical program we tend to agree > > that it would be a good fit. There are no plans to modify R itself, > > just use it via rpy or a pexpect interface currently being written by > > was and mhansen. You will be able to use R directly out of Sage and > > also via the notebook. > > > > > Hope I am not bursting into an open door, or a closed window, > > > > Tal. > > > Cheers, > > > Michael > > > > > On Dec 9, 1:35 pm, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I think perhaps eventually we could move to something like this, but > > > > > now is not the time. Though I have no way of verifying this, I would > > > > > hypothesize that many more people come to the site to find out what > > > > > sage is/what it can do for them than come to see "What's new with > > > > > SAGE since last time I looked?" Our site is tailored very well > > > > > towards the former, and I think that's where our emphasis should be > > > > > for now. Its the one who aren't yet familiar with Sage whose > > > > > attention we need to grab right away. When the latter becomes a more > > > > > significant audience, then we should consider radically altering the > > > > > main page, but for now I doubt we'd alienate many by having the > > > > > latest news a click away. (Personally, I rarely visit the main page > > > > > of sagemath.org--when I start typing "sage" in the browser bar > > > > > "sagetrac" comes up first :-). I often send the sagemath.org link to > > > > > others though.) > > > > > > If anything, I think there should be fewer announcements on the front > > > > > page. Right now the first "selling point" paragraph is over halfway > > > > > down the main page because of all the one-liners. Because I can > > > > > barely see them, my eye is not drawn to the attractive graphics and > > > > > arguments below. I think the goal of the main site should be getting > > > > > people to start reading starting with "Use SAGE for studying a huge > > > > > range of mathematics..." and continuing all the way to the bottom > > > > > 'till they leap out of their chair and exclaim "where can I get this > > > > > NOW?" and we hit them with the download/public worksheet links. > > > > > (Perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration, but hopefully you get my > > > > > point.) Currently, we have > > > > > > SAGE: Open Source Mathematics Software <-- Perhaps "Open Source > > > > > Mathematics Software" could be incorporated into the logo (on this > > > > > page). This is also the title of the webpage, so I don't think much > > > > > would be lost. > > > > > > "Building the Car Instead of Reinventing the Wheel" <-- one of my > > > > > favorite quotes... > > > > > > Download Documentation <-- these certainly need to be > > > > > prominent. > > > > > Tutorial Support > > > > > > We are being slashdotted and being dugg! > > > > > SAGE 2.8.15 has been released (December 3, 2007). > > > > > SAGE Days 6 in Bristol, UK was a great success. > > > > > ^^^ > > > > > News is good, to tell people what's going on, and to give the > > > > > (accurate) impression of an active and fast-moving project. However, > > > > > if I don't yet know much about Sage (and I'm making a case that this > > > > > should be the primary target audience of this page) it doesn't tell > > > > > me much and slows me down (or even hijacks me) from reading the real > > > > > meat below. Maybe one big announcement could be good, or maybe not > > > > > even that (here). > > > > > > I would love for all this info to stay on the main page, just not get > > > > > in the way of getting the message out of "what is Sage?". I can't > > > > > believe I'm suggesting it, but perhaps we should consider adding some > > > > > kind of a sidebar to the page? > > > > > > Of course, everything I'm saying here should be taken with a huge > > > > > grain of salt, I am in no way a markiting expert and could be > > > > > completely wrong about this. But I really think we should consider > > > > > the audience of this front page. > > > > > > That being said, I think a blog is a great idea! Certainly > > > > > subscribing to sage-devel to get an idea of what's going on with the > > > > > Sage project is not for the casual user :-). > > > > > > - Robert > > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Bobby Moretti wrote: > > > > > > > At the very least, I think it would be a good idea to use a content > > > > > > management system for the website. > > > > > > > The front page could be blog-like, containing mostly news, updates, > > > > > > info, and releases. > > > > > > > Then if someone has a personal blog entry that says something > > > > > > interesting about Sage, we can just link to it from the front page > > > > > > as > > > > > > a news story. This way everything would be archived, etc. > > > > > > > -Bobby > > > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007 6:59 PM, didier deshommes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >> 2007/12/8, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > >>> Hi, > > > > > > >>> My brother suggests that a "Sage blog" be somehow created (see > > > > > >>> below). 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