On Dec 9, 2:23 pm, Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tal,
>
> I'm in the middle of writing documentation tickets for pre-university
> students in the Python part of the Google Highly Participation
> Contest. One ticket will be "Access a Sage Notebook and record a 10-20
> minute screencast demonstrating input evaluation, docstring and source
> lookup, tab-completion, LaTeX and HTML output, and 2D & 3D plotting."
>
> List of future documentation tasks for the contest:
> * Record a screencast on the Sage Notebook
> * Make 40 screenshots of the Sage Notebook and write titles and
> captions for them
> * Create a web tour of Sage similar tohttp://picasa.google.com/features,
> see attempt athttp://whatissage.timothyclemans.com
> * Record a screencast on symbolic computation in Sage
> * Improve Sage Wiki (http://wiki.sagemath.org)
> * Translate "SAGE Programming For Newbies" (http://
> sage.math.washington.edu/home/tkosan/newbies_book/) to another
> language
> * Create four good examples of mathematical art with the Sage
> interface to Tachyon
> * Create more advanced examples than the ones in the Sage
> documentation of 2D plotting
> * Implementhttp://amath.colorado.edu/computing/mmm/for Sage
> athttp://rosettacode.org
> * Write 30 Sage programs to be added to entries at Sloane's OEIS,
> seehttp://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/b58279...
>
> We already have numerous talks on Sage on Google Video,
> seehttp://video.google.com/videosearch?q=sagemath.org&so=0&num=10and a
> number of PDFs from talks.
>
> I worked on the makings of an interactive introduction to Sage,
> seehttp://whatissage.timothyclemans.com.
>
> There is work on getting R merged into Sage, but I don't know much
> about what is happening.
>
> Timothy
>
> On Dec 9, 5:02 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Robert and everyone.
>
> > a few small suggestions
> > 1) the main page gives lots of options SAGE has, but no direct links
> > to tutorial material . and when I went to the tutorial page - I
> > couldn't find instructions on how to do what the main page promised
> > me. I am guessing the bounce rate for the main page is rather high (I
> > hope you have some sort of website analytics installed on the site -
> > since I didn't see google analytics in the code)
Well, the website can certainly be improved, but I don't like the idea
of inserting tracking scripts. That is the exact reason I filter out
all that junk via proxy.
> > 2) Consider creating a large shiny button titles "Download SAGE for
> > XXX(windows/linux)" link (instead of just a text link)
I really don't see the benefit of that. What might be a good idea is
to offer buttons with the needed html code for other sides to diretly
jump to a download page.
> > 3) take the time to create some powerpoint presentation with
> > screenshots demonstrating what SAGE is, and can do, and how to do it -
> > and embad it in your website usingwww.slideshare.net
There are literally dozens of presentations on Sage, some can be found
in the Why? section, but linking them from some wiki page might make
sense.
> > 4) you have a video of what SAGE can do - put it on youtube or google
> > video or vidler, and share it with the world.
As pointed out above there is plenty of material at google video, but
more links form a central place in the wiki is a good idea.
> > The way it looks now - the website doesn't give me the feel "come and
> > play with SAGE - it's easy" - and it's a shame it doesn't.
>
> > Also - it seems your main point is your community - then tell "the
> > world" about it, that's where blogs can be used. upload some photos of
> > your meetings (flickr), give some pointers as to what you are doing
> > and where you are heading - help others (like me ) understand that you
> > are a live community - that i should want to join. (like the wordpress
> > and R and linux communities are).
>
> > P.s: Another question I can't seem to find the answer to - Should I be
> > interested in investing my time in SAGE If I am already using R. what
> > advantages would an SAGE-R hybrid give me ?
Well, Sage does more than R, even thought some people have pointed out
that R has many optional components that link to many of the systems
that Sage integrates. Many people have requested R to be part of Sage
and since it is *the* open source statistical program we tend to agree
that it would be a good fit. There are no plans to modify R itself,
just use it via rpy or a pexpect interface currently being written by
was and mhansen. You will be able to use R directly out of Sage and
also via the notebook.
> > Hope I am not bursting into an open door, or a closed window,
> > Tal.
Cheers,
Michael
>
> > On Dec 9, 1:35 pm, Robert Bradshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I think perhaps eventually we could move to something like this, but
> > > now is not the time. Though I have no way of verifying this, I would
> > > hypothesize that many more people come to the site to find out what
> > > sage is/what it can do for them than come to see "What's new with
> > > SAGE since last time I looked?" Our site is tailored very well
> > > towards the former, and I think that's where our emphasis should be
> > > for now. Its the one who aren't yet familiar with Sage whose
> > > attention we need to grab right away. When the latter becomes a more
> > > significant audience, then we should consider radically altering the
> > > main page, but for now I doubt we'd alienate many by having the
> > > latest news a click away. (Personally, I rarely visit the main page
> > > of sagemath.org--when I start typing "sage" in the browser bar
> > > "sagetrac" comes up first :-). I often send the sagemath.org link to
> > > others though.)
>
> > > If anything, I think there should be fewer announcements on the front
> > > page. Right now the first "selling point" paragraph is over halfway
> > > down the main page because of all the one-liners. Because I can
> > > barely see them, my eye is not drawn to the attractive graphics and
> > > arguments below. I think the goal of the main site should be getting
> > > people to start reading starting with "Use SAGE for studying a huge
> > > range of mathematics..." and continuing all the way to the bottom
> > > 'till they leap out of their chair and exclaim "where can I get this
> > > NOW?" and we hit them with the download/public worksheet links.
> > > (Perhaps that's a bit of an exaggeration, but hopefully you get my
> > > point.) Currently, we have
>
> > > SAGE: Open Source Mathematics Software <-- Perhaps "Open Source
> > > Mathematics Software" could be incorporated into the logo (on this
> > > page). This is also the title of the webpage, so I don't think much
> > > would be lost.
>
> > > "Building the Car Instead of Reinventing the Wheel" <-- one of my
> > > favorite quotes...
>
> > > Download Documentation <-- these certainly need to be prominent.
> > > Tutorial Support
>
> > > We are being slashdotted and being dugg!
> > > SAGE 2.8.15 has been released (December 3, 2007).
> > > SAGE Days 6 in Bristol, UK was a great success.
> > > ^^^
> > > News is good, to tell people what's going on, and to give the
> > > (accurate) impression of an active and fast-moving project. However,
> > > if I don't yet know much about Sage (and I'm making a case that this
> > > should be the primary target audience of this page) it doesn't tell
> > > me much and slows me down (or even hijacks me) from reading the real
> > > meat below. Maybe one big announcement could be good, or maybe not
> > > even that (here).
>
> > > I would love for all this info to stay on the main page, just not get
> > > in the way of getting the message out of "what is Sage?". I can't
> > > believe I'm suggesting it, but perhaps we should consider adding some
> > > kind of a sidebar to the page?
>
> > > Of course, everything I'm saying here should be taken with a huge
> > > grain of salt, I am in no way a markiting expert and could be
> > > completely wrong about this. But I really think we should consider
> > > the audience of this front page.
>
> > > That being said, I think a blog is a great idea! Certainly
> > > subscribing to sage-devel to get an idea of what's going on with the
> > > Sage project is not for the casual user :-).
>
> > > - Robert
>
> > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Bobby Moretti wrote:
>
> > > > At the very least, I think it would be a good idea to use a content
> > > > management system for the website.
>
> > > > The front page could be blog-like, containing mostly news, updates,
> > > > info, and releases.
>
> > > > Then if someone has a personal blog entry that says something
> > > > interesting about Sage, we can just link to it from the front page as
> > > > a news story. This way everything would be archived, etc.
>
> > > > -Bobby
>
> > > > On Dec 8, 2007 6:59 PM, didier deshommes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > >> 2007/12/8, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > > >>> Hi,
>
> > > >>> My brother suggests that a "Sage blog" be somehow created (see
> > > >>> below). It's
> > > >>> a good idea. Any ideas about what this might entail? Weekly
> > > >>> developer
> > > >>> summaries? A "cool trick"? Little articles? Etc. I have
> > > >>> never blogged
>
> > > >> +1
> > > >> This could also be good to announce new versions, improvements,
> > > >> papers
> > > >> written in Sage, etc. Developers blogging about Sage could be fun: it
> > > >> would expose how some other parts of the Sage code works (this would
> > > >> also help Bus Days). For example, when I wrote QDRF, I blogged about
> > > >> what one would need to do in order to implement (floating-point)
> > > >> fields in Sage since I had learned a great deal about this part of
> > > >> the
> > > >> code.
>
> > > >> Of course, the thing with blogging is time :) . If you're blogging,
> > > >> you're not writing code and sometimes you just can't afford that ;).
>
> > > >> didier
>
> > > >>> at all, but I know some of you (e.g., Martin Albrecht and Ondrej
> > > >>> Certik)
> > > >>> are old pros at blogging. Thoughts?
>
> > > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > >>> From: Dennis Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> Date: Dec 8, 2007 1:28 PM
> > > >>> Subject: blog and rss
> > > >>> To: William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > > >>> William,
>
> > > >>> Non-developer users of Sage might enjoy learning more about what is
> > > >>> going on in the Sage world. A blog would be a great way to do this.
> > > >>> You could post things like the AMS event, published articles,
> > > >>> news of
> > > >>> major changes in the software, upcoming cool new features, something
> > > >>> funny that is Sage related, a profile of someone who has
> > > >>> significantly
> > > >>> contributed to the software, a user profile, and so on. People
> > > >>> could
> > > >>> subscribe to it via email or RSS. You could use a free blog service
> > > >>> (webpress or blogspot or whatever) and use Google's free Feebburner
> > > >>> for the email subscription service for people to subscribe.
>
> > > >>>http://www.mathworks.com/company/rss/index.html
>
> > > >>> Google has a blog that they post to about once every three weeks
> > > >>> or so.
>
> > > >>> Obviously making the software the
>
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>
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