Given the involvement of Alan in the early days I would be confident to trust his view.
So why we don't try to fix a bit the mistake. We could: - start renaming this list as Loopstra-Rietveld list ;-) ( I would keep the name Rietveld in hit, first who got the idea, second the programmer) - start using Loopstra-Rietveld in our papers/preentations/schools and use the proper references. For America, I will start calling the first who just went to the islands with his proper name: Cristoforo Colombo. Why do you want to change it for different languages? I would not like if they would call me Lukas Lutterottus ! Finally, Alan, why we don't get a history of Loopstra-Rietveld programs? Speaking with different programmer I know most of them are originating indirectly from the Rietveld code and I think it is interesting to see how many are derived from others and have a root on the original code. Luca <http://www.unitn.it/> Luca Lutterotti Dipartimento di Ingegneria Industriale Università di Trento via Sommarive, 9 - 38123 Trento (Italy) tel. +39 0461 2824-14 (Office), -34 (X-Ray lab)  Maud: http://maud.radiographema.com <http://maud.radiographema/> > On 17 Aug 2023, at 10:40, Alan W Hewat <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> wrote: > > Armel, it's not about you :-) But in your 1988 paper you did not reference > Pawley (1980) and even Rietveld only appeared as #14 > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228084768_Ab_Initio_Structure_Determination_of_LiSbWO6_by_X_ray_Powder_Diffraction#fullTextFileContent > > But let's not change the subject. You have published comments, linked to in > your opening post, accusing respected scientists of "Calumny... towards a > dead man who cannot defend himself". Simply because people who have direct > experience of the history (which is often about dead men) do not agree with > you. > > And yes, Columbus did not discover America either, but he contributed. Be > content with contributing, and let it go. > > Regards Alan > ________________________________ > Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics > Grenoble, FRANCE (from phone) > alan.he...@neutronoptics.com > +33.476984168 VAT:FR79499450856 > http://NeutronOptics.com/hewat <http://neutronoptics.com/hewat> > _______________________________ > > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2023, 17:49 Le Bail Armel, <le-bail.ar...@orange.fr > <mailto:le-bail.ar...@orange.fr>> wrote: >>> >And there are other examples. See this brief review of "Whole Pattern >>> >Fitting - The Pawley Method" (1980) yet few people now attribute this kind >>> >of profile refinement to Pawley. >>> >http://pd.chem.ucl.ac.uk/pdnn/solve1/pawley.htm >>> >>> Few people ? At least me : >> https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/iucr/itc/Ha/ch3o5v0001/sec3o5o2o2o1/? >> >> And 2168 papers cite the 1980 Pawley paper according to Google Scholar as of >> today. >> >> Be more clear. What are exactly those other examples ? >> >> ALB >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Please do NOT attach files to the whole list <alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> > Send commands to <lists...@ill.fr> eg: HELP as the subject with no body text > The Rietveld_L list archive is on > http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >
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