Dear all,
Although not an active player on this list, except maybe in my early
days in late 90,s,(science , took me in a different direction) I still
keep track of what is happening in "the Refinement world" and i would
like to add my thoughts on this non technical matter.
The generation of people called millennials and young scientists
among them, get inform through facebook and similar. That link them to
several sources of information without attaching them to one single
source .
A facebook page related and linked to this discussion group could be
the gate to new researchers (students) to this page and have a
positive influence on the size of this community and their access to
the very specific questions and knowledge that are usually discussed
here. Their alternative can be the use of the potent available
software to have results without guidance (e.g after , no sensible
responses have been obtained through linkedyn or research gate, to
name some, because nobody with the right expertise is there). It does
not have to be a different or parallel discussion group, and it does
not imply that you have to join or use any new group. it is most
likely to have a positive effect or maybe just null in the worst
scenario.
In a more personal opinion , i always find weird and sort of funny,
when people, whose work is to develop and spread knowledge, is proud
to be a "troglodite" and do not dare to experience innovation.
Facebook does not change the way Science "should" be done but it may
change the way of communicating .
Please dont take offence for my last comment , that is out of my purpose.
Best regards
Luis
Quoting Reinhard Kleeberg <kleeb...@mineral.tu-freiberg.de>:
To be honest, I can't imagine that crystallographic knowledge can be
effectively transmitted via facebook. Probably one could safe time
by reading some basic textbooks instead of "liking" and "following".
The same holds for other "asocial" (Lubo, I like this statement!)
networks like researchgate, what also waste the time even of
uninvolved people by spamming, just for generating profits by the
companies.
The central points have already been fixed by Alan:
The advantage of the Rietveld mailing list is that contributions
aren't anonymous, it is not commercial and no use is made of users'
information, publicity is limited, and there is a structured archive
of discussion that is open to all, even those who don't have an account.
This is like science should be. Alan, thank you very much for all
your altruistic efforts with the list!
Greetings
Reinhard
Am 08/06/2015 um 14:00 schrieb Davide Levy:
I want say something more about my decision to open the group in FB.
There is many people the use the Rietveld method as a magic black box:
insert the data, read the cif of the phase and obtain the results. Then they
say "twenty-one" and "forty-one" when they see a symmetry group!
Maybe a POP-group in FB can teach more about crystallography to a larger
group of scientist!
this is my opinion.
Davide
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From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf
Of Lubomir Smrcok
Sent: 08 June, 2015 2:49 PM
To: Alan Hewat
Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr
Subject: Re: Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook
Dear Alan,
There are plenty of people who call usage of so-called social networks (they
are, in fact, very asocial) "a progress". I would suggest to consider De
gustibus non est disputandum, but also Duo cum faciunt idem, non est idem.
Although I am not member of any of those asocial nets and do not plan to be,
I sometimes think of the end of such services like Gopher. Maybe we have
around a generation, who prefers to share instead of to search, think &
write. What a prefect opportunity for commercial companies :-)
Best,
Lubo
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Alan Hewat wrote:
I can understand that people have different ideas about the ideal
format for discussion, and for some of us email may seem a little "old
fashioned". I suppose we could also use Twitter or any of the other
social chattering forums. But multiple groups on the same subject
disperses the available information, and it would be good to have some
kind of consensus rather than individual initiatives.
The advantage of the Rietveld mailing list is that contributions
aren't anonymous, it is not commercial and no use is made of users'
information, publicity is limited, and there is a structured archive
of discussion that is open to all, even those who don't have an account.
I myself simply inherited the list, but think it worth maintaining,
and would discourage members from posting to multiple groups on the
same subject.
Alan. (What, me worry ? :-)
On 8 June 2015 at 09:24, davide levy <davide.lev...@gmail.com> wrote:
Good Morning
I created the Powder Diffraction Discussion Group on Facebook,
to speak about powder diffraction, Rietveld etc.. open for all
use powder diffraction.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1087352967946225/
Davide
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