On 12/19/18 4:27 PM, Andrew Newton wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:47 AM Niels ten Oever
> <li...@digitaldissidents.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think the unclarity here is about the nature of causation, and more
>> specifically about the priority of events. Because the exchange of private
>> data between a registrar and a VSP on the one hand, and the use of the
>> verification code on the other hand, is of a necessary deterministic nature,
>> I do think the considerations are applicable.
>
> Then the text should say that. As it stands, the current text makes it
> sound like the IETF is enabling some new method for human rights abuse
> that otherwise would not be available to an abusive authority, and
> that is absolutely not true.
Everything is possible without the IETF: the Internet has open standards. So
IETF is never solely responsible for anything. But IETF is setting a norm and
thus normalizing and enabling this behavior. I think this is made clear in the
text, and even clearer in the new text proposed by Gurshabad.
Best,
Niels
> In fact, the text should be clearer on
> the point that this mechanism does not give an abusive authority any
> more leverage to violate human rights than they already posses.
>
> -andy
>
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Niels ten Oever
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Datactive Research Group
University of Amsterdam
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