i never said that the whole product was a "bug ridden mess."  i said the
INSTALLER is a bug-ridden mess.  and i stand by that statement.  it is NOT
ready for inclusion in a "stable" product.

i am fully aware that some people choose to upgrade via `rpm -Uvh --nodeps
--force *.rpm' but i'm not 100% convinced that this is a safe procedure.
besides, whether or not this works is completely irrelevent to my original
statement.

i like red hat's distribution; that's why i've been using it since 3.0.3,
and have pushed to have it installed on all our machines at my workplace.
but i still have the right to complain loudly when i fork out $80 for a
product that is essentially useless to me because it can't upgrade my
system.

actually, let me soften that last statement somewhat.  i haven't actually
tried to upgrade my system with an $80 product.  my boxed set just arrived
vi FedEx - i'll try it later today, but i don't expect the installer on
the "official" CD to be any different from the ISO image i got from
ftp.cdrom.com.  if the official product works, i will apologize almost as
loudly as i complained.

stay tuned.

-matt

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On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, James M. Rogers wrote:

> Just because you have a problem doesn't mean that the entire product is a
> "bug ridden mess."  There is little diffence between 6.0 and 6.1.
> 
> Please tone down your rhetoric.
> 
> To upgrade your packages simply boot into Linux, login as root, do an `init
> 1` to switch to single user mode, mount your redhat 6.1 cdrom, cd
> /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS, and do a `rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force *.rpm.  This will
> upgrade all your packages.
> 
> Redhat 6.1 is nearly the same as Redhat 6.0, the only differences are about
> fifty security patches.  After you install you should goto
> http://redhat.com/support and download and install the patches for redhat
> 6.1.
> 
> Have fun...
> 
> Jeremy Katz wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Matt Nelson wrote:
> >
> > > The Red Hat 6.1 installer is a bug-ridden mess.
> > >
> > > This is an update to my original post to redhat-list regarding problems
> > > with upgrading from Red Hat 6.0 to Red Hat 6.1.
> > [some snipping]
> > > It was suggested to me that the installer has problems with NTFS
> > > partitions, and that I should change the ID of /dev/hda1 from 7 to 17,
> > > do the upgrade, then switch it back to 7.
> >
> > Yes, there is a bug in the installer if you have an NTFS partition.
> > This has been pretty well confirmed at this point.
> >
> > > Well, this morning I tried the workaround.  here's what happened:
> > >
> > >    Graphical Install:  The system got past the "searching for existing
> > >                        Red Hat installations" screen, but hung on
> > >                        "Finding packages to upgrade".
> > >    Text Install:       same thing.
> > >
> > > I switched to VC1, and saw some error messages:
> > >
> > >    error opening security policy file
> > >    /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
> >
> > This message is due to the fact that there is not a full install of
> > XFree in order to conserve space in the image.
> >
> > > which was followed by a python traceback, the last entry of which was:
> > >
> > >    /usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/todo.py line 1155 in
> > >    upgradeFindPackages
> > >
> > > out of curiosity, i switched to VC2 to check what was mounted:
> > >
> > >    bash# mount
> > >    /dev/root / ext2 rw 0 0
> > >    /proc /proc proc rw 0 0
> > >    /dev/pts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0
> > >    /tmp/cdrom /mnt/source iso9660 ro 0 0
> > >    /tmp/hdb1 /mnt/sysimage/boot ext2 rw 0 0
> > >    /proc /mnt/sysimage/proc proc rw 0 0
> > >
> > > odd thing, my root partition isn't mounted anywhere; no wonder it
> > > couldn't find any packages...
> > >
> > > By the way, will it give me a choice of which installation to upgrade?
> > > I have two different Linux installations installed, one on /dev/hdb3 and
> > > another on /dev/hdb4...
> >
> > It has asked me which installation I wanted to upgrade every time I've
> > upgraded a machine with multiple installs on it.  Which I've done quite
> > a few times from the first beta onward.  The strange thing from the
> > listing of what you have mounted is it shows /boot as being mounted...
> > if that's the correct partition for /boot there is no way the installer
> > would have figured that out without looking at the /etc/fstab for the
> > actual root of the system.  I seem to remember that even on my laptop
> > (which only has one distribution) it still asked if it had located the
> > proper filesystem for /.  I'm guessing that you hit next quickly without
> > realizing it.
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
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> > QOTD:
> > CCI Power 6/40: one board, a megabyte of cache, and an attitude...
> >
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