Hello Wrenches,

Here is feedback on the second life batteries from Morgan Hager, member of the group who will be working on the project. I sent her the information provided by the list, and asked for more information. Below is her reply.

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Morgan Hager <8welloiledmachi...@gmail.com>

Thanks for the battery feed back. In anticipation of used EV batteries coming to the market in mass, UL has developed specifications for second life batteries. I am not sure if they are complete yet, the goal was this year. This is where I want to start before building. There are also already commercial products available using repurposed 18650's so there must be some kind of benchmark or reference. More research needed.

Also:

Here's a good article about this. Not the standards themselves however:

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterdetwiler/2016/08/24/ul-working-to-ensure-used-ev-batteries-safely-re-purposed/?c=0&s=trending#383524bf1365>https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterdetwiler/2016/08/24/ul-working-to-ensure-used-ev-batteries-safely-re-purposed/?c=0&s=trending#383524bf1365

One problem I see is that these standards are for a stationary application and we want to build a vehicle pack. Still seems a good place to start.

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It looks like this isn't just a crazy way to blow ourselves up, but a technology that is in the wings.
any feedback would be welcome.

Cheers,

Drake

Drake Chamberlin
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At 05:18 PM 10/5/2017, you wrote:
As has been said, and very well again by Larry, one needs to know exactly
what type of Lion chemistry they are dealing with.

Probably the best place to learn at this time is automotive electric car
hobbyist or the offgrid Prismatic battery folks.

It took me a year to learn enough about the LG Chem RESU10 before I took
it off the dolly and moved the bolt cutters away from it.

It lives in the garage and has an earthquake strap now as that seems to be
the biggest hazard it presents. Flooding not good either:)

--Dave



Dave Starlight Solar Power SystemsDave
> If you are going to play without knowledge, never have these battery cells
> near anything you are not willing to loose to fire. Worst case is you burn
> something that you did not intend to. Might be something cheap or your
> home and all your possessions or your eyes and skin. If that happens,
> don’t blame the battery.
>
> Larry
>
> On Oct 5, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Drake <drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org>
> wrote:
>
> Those are great arc-flash photos. Are we really getting into a serious
> risk of this sort of situation with a Li-ion battery? What really happens
> in a worst-case-scenario situation with them? How many people have blown
> themselves up to date? :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
>
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