Hi Allan, I was at our new Kohler dealer today. They had a trailer mounted, propane water cooled 25kw with fuel storage and sound enclosure, really nice machine, but it was $29,000
Its kind of weird that there isn’t anything in the lower sizes that is water cooled, good quality, in propane anyway. jay peltz power > On May 4, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Allan Sindelar <al...@sindelarsolar.com> wrote: > > Lena and all, > I was watching this thread closely, as I have shared your concerns and I was > hoping to hear of any new solutions. In this thread I hear of Gillette > (always positively over the years that this question has come up), one 5.5kW > Onan RV set (120V only and too small for all but an Outback VFX at close to > sea level), and Hardy diesel units. I have nothing to add to these > suggestions. > > I went out on a limb a few years ago in suggesting the Generac EcoGen, hoping > that this would fill this need and restore Generac as a worthy name. I think > now I have to just say "eh..." - yes, it works, but too many problems have > been noted here, and Generac's dealer support system is poorly suited to the > off grid market. > > Thank you to all who replied. > Allan > > Allan Sindelar > <mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com>al...@sindelarsolar.com > <mailto:al...@sindelarsolar.com> > NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional > NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional > New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician > Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc. > 505 780-2738 cell > > > On 4/28/2016 10:19 AM, Lena Wilensky wrote: >> I did some searches on the list for what folks are doing for off-grid >> propane generators these days, but all the threads I found were from 5-6 yrs >> ago, so I was hoping to get some more current info. >> >> We're looking for about a 10kw+ propane unit (big derate at altitude), and >> we run into 2 main problem areas: >> >> First is the warranty - either there are no units warranteed for off-grid >> use, or there are only a couple of models and the warranty is short (1 year). >> >> Second, and perhaps larger, is all the loads that now come with the >> "off-grid" units. The computer takes some, but mostly the "cold weather >> kit" aka carb heater must be installed in our climate (to actually start, >> but also for warrantee), and it's set up to be on a thermostat (read: "on >> all the time from Nov-April" here in the mountains). According to the >> Kohler tech support it takes a steady 50W. We have set up older units to do >> battery charge only during the day, and have the carb heater on a manual >> switch, but it sounds like we can't really get at these circuits anymore >> since they're all pre-configured and pre-wired in the guts of the genset >> computer. >> >> The Kohler and Onan support folks said both these issues are due to EPA >> considering off-grid use as prime power as opposed to standby, so they are >> held to tougher emissions standards. >> >> Whatever the reasons, we're wondering what people are actually doing these >> days - still the standby units they kind-of warrantee for off-grid? 12RES >> from Kohler and the 13kw unit from Onan? Generac? Have folks been going >> back to the smaller gas units from Honda and running them more? And how are >> cold climate folks dealing with the heating issue? >> >> Any suggestions appreciated! >> >> Lena Wilensky >> >> www.nunatakenergy.com <http://www.nunatakenergy.com/> >> 970-642-5554 >> NABCEP Certified PV Installer: >> Cert. #R02907-17 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> <mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> <http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org> >> >> List-Archive: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html> >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm <http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> www.members.re-wrenches.org <http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/> >> > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > <mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > <http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org> > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > <http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html> > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm <http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org <http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/> >
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