Michael - do you have some moderating advice here?
Thanks - Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc www.solarwork.com E - d...@solarwork.com V - 970.626.5253 F - 970.626.4140 C - 970.209.4076 "I'd put my money on solar energy. I hope we don't have to wait 'til oil and coal run out before we tackle that." -Thomas Edison, in conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone, March 1931 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Greg Egan Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:51 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Prices on PV Hey guys, Is this a list that can be viewed by the public or what? If it is - why are we advertising the lowest prices we can buy PV for? Would you intentionally tell a potential client - "I'm buying PV for 2.95/watt but I'll sell it to you for 3.95 - how do you like that?" I spoke to Michael about this a month ago regarding posts about battery pricing and he said it CAN be viewed by the public although it isn't advertised. He also said that he found a link to a post from this list on GOOGLE although it's not supposed to be there. Google is about as public as it gets! I don't know about your customers but if mine knew there was 2.95/watt pv out there they'd want to pay 2.95 /watt and not a penny more. Same thing for batteries and everything else we sell. Especially in this economy. Understand - I have the utmost respect for all the posters on this list and recognize that some of you have decades more business experience than I do. However, I strongly suggest if you want to talk pricing with people - contact them off list. I don't see where publishing your wholesale discount pricing on the web is good for your business, my business, or the RE industry as a whole. Best, Greg Egan Remote Power Inc. re-wrenches-requ...@lists.re-wrenches.org wrote: Send RE-wrenches mailing list submissions to re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.re-wrenches.org/listinfo.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to re-wrenches-requ...@lists.re-wrenches.org You can reach the person managing the list at re-wrenches-ow...@lists.re-wrenches.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of RE-wrenches digest..." When responding to posts within the Digest, be sure to restore the Subject: line to the original, and please edit out any extraneous lines from the quoted message. Today's Topics: 1. Re: future market crystal ball (Wind-sun.com) 2. Re: NY Times: 25% price reduction on PV (Joel Davidson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:47:28 -0700 From: "Wind-sun.com" <mailto:wind...@wind-sun.com> <wind...@wind-sun.com> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] future market crystal ball To: <mailto:jry...@netscape.com> <jry...@netscape.com>, "RE-wrenches" <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Message-ID: <da848322407546698dafc184a9b93...@warren> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original We saw the same thing, and it is like deja vu all over again. And I totally agree on this part: ". I think any government related "gift" always brings more problems than they are worth, as sooner or later there will be more forms to fill out, more fees, inspections, approvals, and other strings that are always attached.." Subsidies and "gifts" always distort the true market, inviting profiteers and fly by night operations. We are seeing them already. This applies to solar panels just as much as it does to ethanol, corn, or oil. And the increased government regulation started hitting at least two years ago. We will be stuck with those regulations forever, but eventually the subsidies will go away. While panel prices have dropped somewhat, we have seen a huge increase in things like permit costs, general (often useless) red tape, etc. ............................................................................ ...................... Northern Arizona Wind & Sun - Electricity From The Sun ----- Original Message ----- From: " Jeff Yago" <mailto:jry...@netscape.com> <jry...@netscape.com> To: "RE-wrenches" <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] future market crystal ball Being in the solar business during the first solar tax credits during Jimmy Carter, I see the same things going on again now with the new tax credits. I think those who do not know history will repeat it. On one hand solar tax credits increase interest and "buzz" with the general public and will cause the fence-sitters to finally make the purchase. But I also think this will only affects the fence sitters, so after the initial increase in sales as a result of the tax credits, the market will settle back to sales based on actual need. Tax credits also have a downside, like bringing some marketers and installers into the market who have little or no experience, who do poor quality installations that get highly publicized, and who will use tax credits to hide their much higher profit margins. I think any government related "gift" always brings more problems than they are worth, as sooner or later there will be more forms to fill out, more fees, inspections, approvals, and other strings that are always attached - there are no free lunches and no free tax credits. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Davidson <mailto:joel.david...@sbcglobal.net> <joel.david...@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] NY Times: 25% price reduction on PV To: RE-wrenches <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Message-ID: <mailto:628833.9849...@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <628833.9849...@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" PV module and cell prices have dropped and the PV industry is laying off good people as a result of the world-wide recession. Other industries are experiencing price reductions and layoffs too. The financial meltdown is bad, but it is a different (but not?separate) problem?than the accelerating global economic changes being caused by over-population, resource depletion, climate change, and disruptive technology change. The sky is not falling, but your cheese is being moved by forces beyond your control. All the more reason to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. ? Joel Davidson --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Drake Chamberlin <mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> <drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> wrote: From: Drake Chamberlin <mailto:drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> <drake.chamber...@redwoodalliance.org> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] NY Times: 25% price reduction on PV To: "RE-wrenches" <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 7:49 AM The Wrench list should be in good a position to evaluate whether or not green technology is heading down the tubes. It seems hopeful for another good year, from my perspective. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Has the bottom fallen out in your area? Maybe wind farms and other concerns, requiring huge capital outlays, will have a hard time with the current credit situation, but will that deeply effect the more modest projects? If module prices have indeed dropped 25%, that should indeed lower the costs of systems. Even if modules are only 60% of the cost, a 25% reduction in 60% of the price is significant, still a 15% decrease in system costs. That, with rebates and other incentives, should add up to an easier to swallow price tag. With money in the bank gaining minuscule interest, and inflation eating up savings, spending money can make sense. Buy a PV or hot water system, and savings are again working by producing ever more expensive energy. Leave it in the bank, and watch its value deteriorate. Maybe I'm deep in that river in Egypt (De Nile), but I'm hoping we are still on the upswing. At 09:41 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Take notice: Today's NY Times quotes Rhone Resch of SEIA as saying "The price of solar panels has fallen by 25 percent in six months." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/business/04windsolar.html What kind of $/W are people getting these days? -- Nicholas Ponzio Building Energy 1570 South Brownell Road Williston, VT 05495 t: 802-859-3384 x15 f: 802-658-3982 www.BuildingEnergyVT.com "Building Solutions for a Sustainable Future" _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org Drake Chamberlin Athens Electric OH License 44810 CO License 3773 740-448-7328 740-856-9648 _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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