I expect the white hubs are very nice. You will want to be sure you get the flip/flop fixed/free version if you are going to use a fw (the link you gave is for that kind). I expect you noticed that they don't take normal fixed cogs like the ones from Soma, EAI, or Surly (including surly's Dingle), but that is something to think about. Paul also makes high flange track hubs that look nice, though I think their chain line is slightly non standard (not that that maters a lot). If you are having your wheels built the builder may have good advice on hubs to use.
Over the years spacing and terminology have changed a bit. Two or three decades back a track bike was a fixed gear with no brakes that you rode on a velodrome, and a fixed gear was either a track bike with a front brake mounted (by drilling the fork crown), or a road bike with a track hub rear wheel fitted to it. The old school racing schtick included riding fixed gear in the winter. Back then I think most bikes had 120 rear spacing. Then came 126 for road bikes, then 130 and 135. Track bikes stayed 120 and I think most fixed gear hubs are still 120. If people are starting to differentiate "track hubs" from "fixed hubs" based on 120 vs 130 OLD they are probably thinking "fixed gear" means adapted road bike (130 being the typical non touring road bike spacing now). My view is that a fixed gear hub is one that has left handed lock ring threads on it for proper mounting of fixed cogs, that track hubs are fixed gear hubs, and that with all hubs you need to pay attention to OLD and your frames spacing. What with single sided, flip flop fixed-fixed, flip flop fixed-free, proprietary fixed cog mounts, and who knows what all OLDs, its a mine field out there. On the crank front, at the risk of suggesting too many choices I will mention that there are 167.5 track cranks in the world. Back in the day folks would tell you short cranks are better if you are more of a spinner and long cranks were good if you were a masher. I have a 170 track set that I have had for decades on my Simple One now, and that has always seemed fine. When I bought a bike that came with 165s on it that worked great. I had 172.5 on my "race bike" but eventually went back to 170 and I think I prefer it that way. If I had built my SO up from from scratch with no stuff on hand I probably would have gone with 165 or 167.5. I think you won't know what you like until you try some variations. On Friday, March 7, 2014 4:26:01 AM UTC-8, djbardwil wrote: > > Good call on checking the BB ted and I may go to 170 on the crank for the > smidge of leverage gain. > > I also found this slick new White Industries Track Hubset which would mate > well with the DOS ENO: > https://www.benscycle.com/p-1524-white-industries-track-hubset-fixfree-32h-120mm.aspx<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.benscycle.com%2Fp-1524-white-industries-track-hubset-fixfree-32h-120mm.aspx&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGthDg6vCqdmZcPcTpFwjdadpBdfQ> > ? > > From what I can tell, it seems that Fixed Gear hubs are differentiated > from Track hubs based on rear spacing of 130 vs 120 (the QB span) > respectively. > > > > On Friday, March 7, 2014 12:33:13 AM UTC-5, ted wrote: >> >> All sounds very nice. >> Shorter cranks are traditional track gear. Where 175 may be normal for >> mtn bikes and 170 normal for road bikes, 165 is sort of normal for a track >> bike. >> With a single ring and normal single speed chain line you shouldn't have >> any trouble with clearance between the ring and frame. If you are using >> standard geared bike ring and chain, chain line is not really all that >> critical. If you do want to get chain line just so, the phil bb and its >> two ended adjustment is real handy. Mounting your chosen crank on the bb >> that came in your frame will let you decide what length bb you want to use. >> Just measure the line you get with the one thats already there, and adjust >> accordingly before ordering a new one. >> >> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 7:20:38 PM UTC-8, djbardwil wrote: >>> >>> I am blocked at work from checking the RBW postings and tonight I found >>> I couldn't wait to get home to check - thanks Patrick (dig the shirt much), >>> ted, Pudge, David and Minh for your perspectives. >>> >>> And with that, the order by which to choose components and >>> considerations seems: >>> >>> 1) Crankset - single ring makes sense; modest number of teeth, between >>> 40 and 46; I like the Sugino RD and it comes in 165mm arm (I am a short >>> legged being), with choice of 46t or 48t. Many of you have a lower # of >>> teeth but I need to start somewhere. Not sure of the RD's chainline (i've >>> seen conflicting 44 or 42) but as close to the rear hub / cog chainline as >>> possible. >>> >>> 2) Bottom bracket - my QB came with a 113mm but each crankset has its >>> own recommended BB mm. The Sugino RD, with 130 BCD, is coupled with a >>> 103mm BB. If I go with Sugino's recommended 103mm, which is lower than >>> Riv's 110mm general recommendation, must I worry about ring clearance >>> against the frame? >>> >>> 3) Hubs - Not sure which brand to go with. I saw these on Ben's: >>> https://www.benscycle.com/p-3458-milwaukee-bicycle-co-hubset-32h-fixfree.aspx >>> They achieve a 42mm chainline and have a classic look without breaking >>> the bank, but i am not wedded to these. >>> >>> 4) Rims Velocity Synergy 650b with DT double butted spokes. >>> >>> 5) Cog - with a 46t ring, a 17t cog achieves 70". Again - a good place >>> to start. I live in an area that is pretty flat with a few rolling hills >>> but nothing too steep. I really like the WI DOS ENO 2-Speed 17/19 from a >>> quality and versatility perspective. >>> >>> The fact that, for a lot of you, the QB is your favorite among many >>> other great Rivendells (I have a Custom, Atlantis and Sam) is exciting - >>> each of mine serves a different purpose and I never get tired of them. >>> >>> Thank you again for your help! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:09:06 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a WI 17/19 on mine, and really like that option. Gives just >>>> enough difference at times. But I rarely go to the 32T front chainring. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> David >>>> >>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J < >>>> thomas.a...@skadden.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree with Minh that when you’re on a SS, it changes your >>>>> perspective. I just don’t mind walking if the need arises – just another >>>>> pleasant way to get where I’m going. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto: >>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Minh >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 4:50 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >>>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Mini-Beam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My QB came with the 40x26, ended up moving it to my SH as i never >>>>> bothered shifting to the 26. I now use a single 42, it may depend on >>>>> your >>>>> terrain, but i can handle hills fine, and those i can't i just get off >>>>> and >>>>> walk, it's not that big a deal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> i have a WI Dos FW 17/19, and even that i rarely switch. a >>>>> single-speed changes your perspective, it's hard to understand coming >>>>> from >>>>> a multi-gear bike. i strongly suggest you get the bike rideable as soon >>>>> as >>>>> possible and see what works for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> i ride 42/17, i'm not the strongest rider but it works for me! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> also concur with Tom, QB is my favorite bike in the bunch. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:14:40 PM UTC-5, djbardwil wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The more I hear about the fixed gear bicycle experience, the more it >>>>> seems that putting on a 2 speed kickback hub is missing the point. It >>>>> seems that dialing in on the gearing is half the fun - it's a bike for >>>>> tinkerers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My QB originally had the Sugino XD Double; does the double chainring >>>>> typically get used in both rings or do most just keep it on the larger 40 >>>>> ring with the 26 ring for the rare occasion? I'm wondering if a single >>>>> crank like the Sugino RD with either a 46 or 48 ring is best. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 12:48:51 PM UTC-5, Esteban wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh, yea. I have a QB too. Had one years ago, too big. This one, just >>>>> right. 40x16 free 15 fixed. 68" gets me up almost any hill in town (with >>>>> some zig zag), and I try to spin out on flats for "exercise." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Its a fantastic bike. You'll love it. Everyone should have one :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>> San Diego, Calif. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:04:36 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have a Quickbeam. I'm obsessed with gearing, and always come back to >>>>> about a 72". Currently I'm re-enamored of fixed gear riding, with a >>>>> single >>>>> 44t ring, a 15t cog and a 17/21 dingle cog. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do have a Sachs Automatic wheel with a coaster brake, and I agree >>>>> that the coaster brake messes up my mojo. I have considered the S2 (no C) >>>>> hub, and will probably build one at some point. The Quickbeam is great - >>>>> I'd ride mine anywhere, in any terrain, on any surface. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Philip >>>>> >>>>> www.biketinker.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:42:58 AM UTC-8, djbardwil wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pudge - If I go with the SA 2 speed, it would be without coaster brake. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Minh - You are right on the argument. Simple and pure is what I want >>>>> with this build as well as a new perspective on riding. A broadening of >>>>> horizons.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:37:38 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Just a thought, when i got my QB, i also was (unnecessarily) worried >>>>> about gearing, additional speeds and now that i've had it i never both >>>>> switching in the rear (WI DUO) and switched to a single-ring front. if >>>>> you >>>>> have the wheels already to get it on the road, you might be surprised at >>>>> how fast you adjust to a single gear. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> nothing wrong if you really want to mess with the SA 2 speeds, but >>>>> there is something pure about a single-speed QB that changes your >>>>> perspective on riding. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:54:23 PM UTC-5, djbardwil wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, I am thrilled to be the very lucky winner of the auction and >>>>> admit my addiction to Rivendell. I was a bit surprised that only one bid >>>>> came through but it is a small frame and the dead of winter so the >>>>> audience >>>>> may have been limited. Apparently, there are only 30 of these 50 cm QBs. >>>>> It should be a great project and I intend to take it slowly and >>>>> thoughtfully as I've never built up a non-derailleur bicycle. Initial >>>>> thought was to possibly try out the Sturmey-Archer 2-speed Kickback hub >>>>> as >>>>> the basis of a wheel build and possibly a Sturmey-Archer crankset but >>>>> I'll >>>>> need to do some homework on gearing, spacing, chainline etc. Nothing is >>>>> set in stone at the moment and each component will be a new decision >>>>> point >>>>> but, barring the possible S-A components, it will clearly be a Rivendell >>>>> build when it's done. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I enjoy this group very much and value your input, stories, and >>>>> camaraderie. 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