For the trails you're describing, your Riv should be fine with minor
changes.  I ride my Riv on hard dirt, crushed lime rail trails, and rough
pavement, and 584x38 Lierre's (under fenders) have been fantastic.

However, on loose dirt or anything technical, then you'd want a bike with
2" or bigger tires.

It looks like you could go a little wider tire and keep the fenders (maybe
33.33mm Maxy Fasty, maybe a bit bigger).
Or, you could fit much wider without the fenders (38-42mm Xpress, Fatty
Rumpkin, Marathon, Lierre, or Hetre)

For rough pavement and packed dirt, a light tread is all that is needed.
 Knobbies are best for loose surfaces or mud.

For handlebars, I'd go back to midges, or try a moustache.  More hand
positions are good for longer rides, but it's nice to have a wide grip
position for rougher stuff.


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Deacon Patrick <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sounds like a great idea! Underbiking is a great way to learn a LOT.
>
> Why remove fenders? I rode fenders on far more rugged trails that that and
> they were just fine. I won't run them with knobbies, but the only reason I
> could see for not running them is to fit a wider tire at lower pressure.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:54:54 PM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:
>>
>> A few weeks ago I wrote in seeking info on ideas for a classic, riv style
>> MTB bikes for trail riding.  I still have my eye on a Bomdadil but now I'm
>> eyeballing my Riv custom rando bike as a possible makeshift trail rig.  I
>> use a different bike now for brevets so the Riv is currently set up as more
>> of a commuter with porteur bars, inverse levers, Pauls centerpulls, and
>> basic 650x1" tires.
>>
>> If I remove the fenders I'm wondering what more I would need to do to
>> retrofit the bike for rails to trails riding - typically rough pavement and
>> some hard packed dirt?
>>
>> I'll be on a three day tour and might require a few more hand positions.
>> I anticipate riding on roads for a fair portion of the ride.
>>
>> I already have pretty low, 1x1 gearing from rando riding.  Shifting is
>> via downtube shifters and a vintage, long cage Campy derailleur.
>>
>> Wondering what I might want to do about tires (go wider?) and the bars
>> (go back to drops or midge bars)?
>>
>> Front wheel has a generator hub but that seems like a good thing for
>> trail riding.
>>
>> As much as I love to buy new bicycles, I'm trying to "shop from myself"
>> more for project bikes or seasonal adventuring.
>>
>> The question here is whether I'm forcing the Riv into a  bike it is not
>> instead of sourcing a low budget MTB via craigslist for this kind of
>> specific use case.
>>
>> Here's what the bike looks like in its rando state:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/61672163@N00/3588549190/in/
>> photolist-6t7fDL-awbwTw-6178Wa-3ohQqg-zAM2h-6XcaCG-
>> 6cP5CM-6rgUtY-53fvrM-51J8Pp-35XvEa-4Pn81k-4Rh75s-4SW9xS-
>> 9WosMi-5pRHuP-4Y5aoJ-6gq2Gi-4Pn9tk-4Y5aqw
>>
>> LL
>>
>>
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