> How you you manage mud, muck, snow, and ice on your rim brakes, Matthew?
There are really only a few days out of the year where mud, muck and snow are significant enough to cause issues in Chicago. On those days when the streets are packed, I admittedly do have to stop and wipe off the rims and tires every now and then during the ride. But this really is not much of an effort, nor, in my mind anyway, is it all that much of an inconvenience compared to auto commuters who plan around a longer commute on bad weather days. The real problem winder cycling in Chicago is the salt getting into everything. And I imagine that is as much a headache with discs as it is with rim brakes. On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:11:05 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > How you you manage mud, muck, snow, and ice on your rim brakes, Matthew? > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:59:32 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: >> >> > Look, we all know rim brakes (under the right conditions) are a >> time-tested, simple and reliable technology, BUT can be subject to all >> kinds of rim variables and conditions that can affect their reliabilty... >> (e.g. >> > muck, wet, snow & ice that collects on the rims, misaligned pads, poor >> lever/cable setup, trueness of rim, etc.). >> >> But that BUT is a big but ;) Provided you have otherwise set up and >> maintain your rim brake equipped bike well, the problems you site are >> wholly manageable. >> >> It will be interesting to see if SRAM is able to resolve its issues. As >> I understand the SRAM dilemma is a result of trying to work a hydraulic >> disc system for road riding that does not require the beefier forks and >> chain stays which are fine on MTBs but take away from some of the pleasures >> of road riding. >> >> On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:28:25 AM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote: >>> >>> Disclaimer: I admit I'm a slightly over-zealous, biased proponent of >>> hydraulic disc brakes, so please take this as nothing more than absolute >>> truth :). I'm sure SRAM will solve whatever problem is plaguing these >>> particular disc brakes, but I have to say in the last 10 years of riding in >>> sub-freezing weather on hydraulic discs without a single failure, I have >>> only experienced superior performance and reliability with hydraulic discs >>> under severe conditions. >>> >>> Look, we all know rim brakes (under the right conditions) are a >>> time-tested, simple and reliable technology, BUT can be subject to all >>> kinds of rim variables and conditions that can affect their reliabilty... >>> (e.g. muck, wet, snow & ice that collects on the rims, misaligned pads, >>> poor lever/cable setup, trueness of rim, etc.). >>> >>> Disc brakes are generally not impacted by these same rim conditions >>> (other than poor setup/adjustment... which still leads to lousy braking >>> regardless). >>> >>> Cable-actuated disc brakes are less-impacted by mud, muck and ice, but >>> still have moving, semi-exposed cables, calipers and springs that can >>> really stiffen up in cold weather. >>> Hydraulic disc brakes are less-impacted by mud, much and ice, and are >>> mostly sealed to the elements. Besides the plunger at the lever and the >>> pistons, fluid (in a sealed environment) is the only thing moving. Just >>> like automobile brakes and heavy equipment hydraulics, hydraulic brakes on >>> bikes are designed to function reliably in extreme conditions. >>> >>> And anyone who claims hydraulic brake lines can't easily be fixed out in >>> the wilds just hasn't done it, that's all. It's not rocket science. In >>> fact if I were embarking on a multi-day tour away from civilization, I'd >>> have a lightweight, compact kit with me that would get me through any >>> potential jam with my brakes... but then again there's also a very high >>> probability I'd never need to use it. >>> >>> Like em or not, it takes a much stronger case to bash hydraulic disc >>> brakes. Hydraulic rim brakes? Sorry, can't argue that one... End of >>> rant. >>> >>> BB >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:56:56 PM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged >>>> steel maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York: >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> *It has recently come to our attention that during last weekend’s >>>> Cyclocross racing in the US, in sub freezing temperatures, several >>>> failures >>>> were reported. In these conditions the master cylinder seals failed to >>>> hold >>>> pressure resulting in abrupt loss of brake power, and an inability to stop >>>> the bike. These failures are related to product that is outside the >>>> originally stated date code range and unrelated to the original failure >>>> mode. No injuries have been reported to date.* >>>> >>>> *As a result of this new finding, SRAM requests that anyone who has a >>>> bike equipped with SRAM Hydraulic Disc or Hydraulic Rim Brakes stop using >>>> the bike immediately. All products shipped to date, and currently in the >>>> market or in inventory will be recalled.* >>>> >>>> Upon reading this, retrogrouches around the world wove flowers into >>>> their beards and danced arm-in-arm around the lugged steel maypole, >>>> reveling in the irony that the very conditions in which hydrolic dick >>>> breaks are supposed to excel were instead their undoing. Meanwhile, the >>>> experts at SRAM have been working around the clock to find a new way to >>>> convince people that you need hydraulic braking for slow bicycle races >>>> that >>>> last only 45 minutes to an hour in which you have access to a spare >>>> bicycle >>>> roughly every five minutes. >>>> >>>> As for the hydraulic rim brakes, all SRAM has to say about that is that >>>> if you actually bought those then the joke's on you. >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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