Well, my Sam Hillborne was 1 grand and that included shipping for the 
frame, fork, headset, seatpost, and bottom bracket. I got it on one of the 
member emails and jumped on it. I think it is a very inexpensive bike for 
what I got and worth every penny. At 1500 bucks it would be a deal. 

My Roadeo I got right before the price went up, so I paid 2 grand, plus an 
extra 150 for custom paint. Looking at the market place and seeing Trek 5 
series framesets going for $2200 bucks, 6 series going for $3500 bucks, 
custom makers like Shamrock pricing their frames at $2250 and others right 
around those kinds of prices, I just don't think the Roadeo is overpriced 
at all. I think it is situated at or lower than market prices for similar 
framesets. I mean, I am sure you can get someone to make you a frameset for 
less than the Roadeo, I doubt it will ride as nice as the Roadeo though. I 
think the Roadeo has always been a higher priced frameset in Rivs lineup, 
so I don't really think you could have scored a sweet deal like buying the 
Atlantis in 2007 or something. 

I think many of Riv's frames are now being built in the US by Waterford, 
which aint a cheap place to get a bike frame made. The price difference 
from 2006 to now has much to do with having the bikes produced in the U.S. 
compared to Japan...or Taiwan.

Rivs aren't cheap bikes, and I don't think they should be cheap bikes. When 
someone compares a Rivendell like the Atlantis to a Surly LHT, I kind of 
cringe. I owned the LHT for a little and had an Atlantis I stupidly sold 
and the two bikes aren't really comparable, IMHO. I think the Atlantis 
rode better, felt a little faster actually, and was a prettier bike than 
the LHT. Of course surly isn't making bad bikes, but they 
aren't making bikes that have the same quality as Rivendells. I think the 
value of Riv frames is very high and honestly, I think the bikes will 
retain their value in the long run. I would rather pony up to get a bike I 
will keep for 20 years than spend that cash on a different bike like a 
Madone that I will wind up replacing in 7 years or so. I voted with my 
dollars already though. Clearly, I am a Riv fan. 

Would really like a Hunqapillar or a custom mountain mixte though. Maybe 
sometime later this year I will get the money together for something like 
that. 

On Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:28:15 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

> I was using the time between sets of push ups (too yucky out to pedal 
> today) and cruising the RBW web site this morning. Looking at the 
> framesets, I see where Atlantis is now 2,300 F.O.B. origin. When I 
> bought my Ram in late 2006, it was 1,350 and the Atlantis was only 
> $1,400.  Using the AIER cost of living calculator, 1400 in 2006 is worth 
> 1,618 today, so frames have gone up significantly more than the prices 
> of everyday goods as a whole. This is not to say they cost too much now, 
> just a realization that those of us who were fortunate enough to get RBW 
> bikes back then got really good deals on really good bikes. 
>
> Bruce 
>

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