also for lively, light wheels are more important than light frames.  5 
pounds on your bike frame is no different than 5 pounds on you - lively 
acceleration, deceleration and handling is in the wheels.  

On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:31:50 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> yes, but adversity to blinkie lights is without merit - I've seen them 
> work.  Try riding around any shopping center right now with and without 
> them.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:00:20 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  Brian, your first point is a great one, and one I hadn’t thought about 
>> so explicitly.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] 
>> *On Behalf Of *stonehog
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:41 AM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which 
>> haven't?
>>
>>  
>>  
>> What works for me:
>>  
>>    1. Grant and Co.'s business ethics.  I like that he employs 15 folks 
>>    honestly and tries to give back to good causes.  He tries to educate in 
>>    areas we all may need some help in (food/exercise), and he doesn't fit in 
>>    the "maximize efficiency and shareholder value" business model.  He runs 
>>    the kind of business I would be proud to have someday.
>>    2. Common sense stuff like don't wear race kit and clipless shoes 
>>    when you are not racing.  I really like the grippy VP pedals of late, and 
>> I 
>>    am a long-time clipless rider who enjoys the control of being "locked 
>> in". 
>>     I just found I don't need it when I'm commuting in.
>>    3. Steel, lugged goodness.  I like the feel of steel.  Always will.
>>    4. Pretty bikes.  Rivendell bikes just look classy compared to most 
>>    modern bikes.  They always draw comments.
>>    5. Wool.  Was already clued into this stuff, but I love wool and will 
>>    wear it every day at some point.
>>    6. Comfort.  If you love being on a bike, at some point you will want 
>>    to be comfortable doing it.
>>    7. No blinky lights.  I think they suck to ride behind, and blinking 
>>    front lights are beyond me.  Please use the blinkies only when you are 
>>    alone on a deserted country street in the middle of the night.  
>>    8. Helmets - I think this is the biggest deterrent to having more 
>>    folks on bikes.  It may be vain, but things that mess up folks hair or 
>> make 
>>    them feel vulnerable will keep them away.  Wear them when you need them, 
>>    but don't make it a law.
>>    9. Use what works - don't get crazy about the components. 
>>     Campy/DuraAce is cool, but not critical.
>>    10. MUSA - I like USA-made gear.  I also like quality from other 
>>    countries if it's truly good.
>>    11. Limited selection of great, hand-picked gear.  Riv really picks 
>>    some great product to sell.  I generally love their taste in goods.
>>    12. Sackville bags.  Hands-down, the best looking and built bags I've 
>>    used.
>>    13. Basket/ShopSack.  So useful and simple!
>>
>>  What doesn't work for me:
>>  
>>    1. Heavy/big bikes.  I appreciate 'em, but would rather have a 
>>    Roadeo-tubed bike than a Bomba.  I like lively.
>>    2. Front load on mid-high-trail.  I don't like the wheel flop, but if 
>>    you use a wide-enough bar (Albastaches are awesome), riding with a front 
>>    load is not too bad.  On a narrow bar, long ride, I would prefer less 
>> work 
>>    to keep the bike going straight.  This is something that has taken me a 
>> few 
>>    years to realize I finally have a feel for.  
>>    3. Heavy tires.  I like 'em light, and cushy.  Jack Brown Greens are 
>>    the business.  GB Cypres are even better!
>>
>>  Brian Hanson
>>   
>> Seattle, WA
>>  
>> www.stonehog.com
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:05:09 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>  
>> Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>>  
>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>>  
>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
>> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>  
>>  
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