" I wish RBW offered a good, sensible compact double. (hint, hint)"

I'll assume that the Sugino triple run as chainguard/40/26 that they do 
offer doesn't qualify either on the "good" front or the "sensible" front. 
 Clearly you could run that crankset with a 44/30.  For a road bike I'd 
probably disqualify that because of the weight, q-factor, and the goofiness 
of running a chainguard.  

Aside from that, it's pretty clear that Riv's favorite ultra compact double 
is the White VBC.  Many of their staff builds have them.  They clearly have 
an account with White Industries, so I'm sure anybody who wanted to pay 
retail for a White Industries crankset could get it from Rivendell if they 
wanted to do so.  I got mine from my local shop, but I've also run special 
orders through Riv with no problems.  

Bill "running three different bikes with 44/30 and one with 42/29" Lindsay

On Monday, December 2, 2013 5:06:11 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> I have found a 16 tooth difference between rings unsatisfactory on two 
> counts.  First, when I shift between rings, the next gear I am looking for 
> is somewhere at the other end of the cluster, and the wider the range of 
> the cluster the more difficult it is to find that gear.  A lot of momentum 
> is lost on hills while I search for it.  Second, front detailers will shift 
> 16 teeth,  but they don't really like it and tend to do it slowly.  More 
> momentum loss.  I have found  better ways to get a wider range double 
> without these problems.  First option is a 48/34, which will shift much 
> faster and put the next gear exactly two cogs away.  The 12/48 is plenty 
> big enough for everything short of hi end field sprints.  Better yet is a 
> 44/30 with an 11-28 cluster.  the 44/11 is the same as a 48/12 and the 
> 30/28 is only a half gear higher that  34/34.  This combination offers a 
> cleaner shifting pattern and more closely spaced gears.  I also find I 
> actually have less need to shift the front at all, although my Campy 
> derailler does it so effortlessly that I never hesitate.  I have also found 
> that this combination works very well with the new Shimano RD short cage, 
> which greatly improves friction shifting.   I am using the White VCB crank 
> on my Ram and really like it, but you can also get a 44/30 with a number of 
> cranks that offer 94 spiders - DaVinci sells one (made by White Ind) and of 
> course the beautiful, but expensive TA Carmina.  I wish RBW offered a good, 
> sensible compact double. (hint, hint)
>
> Michael 
>
> On Friday, November 29, 2013 4:24:27 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> <http://interlocracing.com/defiant_double_130bcd1500.jpg>
>>
>> Interloc website <http://interlocracing.com/cranks.html>
>> Any experience or guidance on this crankset.  The alternative is a Sugino 
>> Alpina compact.
>>
>> Here is the VeloORANGE take 
>> <http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/11/grand-cru-110-or-alpina.html>on 
>> their VO branded variant versus the Aplina.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Tom
>>
>

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