I think a lot of what VO does is based on the Riv model, but lower prices 
and less transparent connection to the manufactures.

On Monday, July 1, 2013 5:56:23 PM UTC-4, Rex Kerr wrote:
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> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/axe425.htm
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> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/camping-axe-by-bahco.html
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> I tend to tour heavy, but not THAT heavy!
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