*I will point out that several people reading the list reached out to me 
off line saying they would be very happy to use a quality hammock saddle 
made without leather.*
 
I will point out that nobody was arguing against the idea. You're the one 
who brought up "dead animals" in a thread about the Cambium, and that 
polarizing language is what I objected to.

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:40:58 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

> You are misreading my original post on the topic if you think I am arguing 
> that all shell saddles are uncomfortable.  Rather, I said that Cambium 
> gives hope to those of us who find shell saddles uncomfortable and prefer 
> not to buy leather products.  I will point out that several people reading 
> the list reached out to me off line saying they would be very happy to use 
> a quality hammock saddle made without leather.
>  
> I spent hundreds probably thousands of dollars on shell saddles between 
> 1998 and 2005 or so.  If shell saddles worked for me, I would use them.  I 
> am glad they work for you.
>  
> I am not aware of any scientific survey on padded shorts use among 
> cyclists.  The fact so many companies make and sell padded shorts and you 
> see so many people wearing them certainly suggests significant numbers use 
> them.  While this is good for the cycle industry economy, I question 
> whether enough end users have asked themselves why they need to wear padded 
> shorts to ride.
>  
> Given my experience with shell saddles versus hammock, I believe at least 
> some percentage of people who use shell saddles and wear padded shorts will 
> find they no longer need the pads on a hammock saddle.
>

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