No one will deny you your preferences, for Brooks type saddles or for vegetarian eating. No one will deny that plastic saddles hurt you and wear out quickly for you. One will and must deny your reasoning that, because it is is so for you, it is so universally in the absence of any further presented data and, in fact, in the presence of easily acquired data to the contrary. This fallacy is very, very strangely common!
I've ridden Flites almost exclusively (a San Marco, briefly; two Turbos, briefly; Brooks, Fujitas, Ideales, of various sorts, briefly, tho' the Pro while commuting for 12 or 18 months; I always came back to original issue Flites) for almost 25 years, and I abandoned padded shorts 10 years ago or more when I realized belatedly that there was no point, at least for rides under 50 miles. I wear regular underwear and street pants. There are tens of thousands - at least! - who ride plastic saddles for years on end without problem and without padded shorts -- look at the ratio of plastic saddles to hammock saddles. At least a fraction of those riders are comfortable. I would guess that this fraction is not too much smaller than the numbers who ride hammocks. I take that as sufficient proof that your original universally affirmative assertion is not true. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Matthew Joly <matthewj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Exactly what proof would you need. To watch me and hundreds of other > hammock saddle fans squirm while riding plastic saddles. > > I've tried dozens of models over the years. For a while I thought the > Fizik Ronin [sp?] was going to be the one. The padding wore down in less > than a month. Surface had visible abrasion marks. > > My weight fluctuates around 160-165. I don't think I am necessarily hard > on saddles. > > Bottom line most people pay big bucks for Brooks and Berthouds not for > bling but because their bodies do not take to molded plastic saddles. I > don't think this is a controversial statement at all. > > Matthew Joly > Chicago, IL > > On Jun 18, 2013, at 17:02, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > ??? 25K miles at least? Hardly short. Uncomfortable? Proof? Again 25 k > miles over the years? My first Flite from circa 1990 that has been on half > a dozen bikes with 7 k on the last one? Not to mention all the other Flites > I've put thousands of miles on? And this is just one particular model of > plastic saddle? > > Don't make unsupported universal assertions. > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Matthew J <matthewj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I and others interested in leather free alternatives to quality Brooks >> and Berthoud saddles have said and this and other bicycle forums that the >> plastic saddles all tend to be both be horribly uncomfortable and have a >> short life span. >> > -- > > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > > Albuquerque, NM > > -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
