Sounds about right to me, Michael. I don't like bars above saddle height. 
How high do you have the bars on the Rivs? I have albatross bars on an old 
mountain bike that I use for kid hauling and commuting in lousy weather. 
It's really fun for short rides, but I can't log more than about 15 miles 
on that bike without getting uncomfortable. On a Riv with Noodles at saddle 
height, I can ride all day without discomfort. That wasn't the case when I 
used to ride bikes with steeper angles and lower bars.  

Bryan 

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