Hi Michael,

That seems strange. I am 52 and have had the reverse experience. On my race 
bike I rode with similar contact points as you are describing on your race 
bike, and had neck and back pain consistently. When I changed to the Riv 
with handle bar's considerably higher in relation to my seat no more pain. 
As I see it everything is connected seat fore/aft height ect... you just 
need to be patient and make micro changes. I've had mostly leg pain as I've 
worked on dialing my contact points in. I've heard leg length discrepancies 
can cause hip and back pain. I'm no expert on such things I hope you 
resolve your issues.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, CA 

 Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:02:15 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Wanted your thoughts and experience on this issue I have been having with 
> my Riv's. I know this sounds rediculous, but:
> *I am wondering if you had any trouble adapting from race geometry fit 
> bikes you were used to riding, to the more upright-like rivendell bikes and 
> how you got through it.*
>  
> Here is what I mean:
> I started on a race geometry bike and rode it for 3.5 years. I was only 
> about 1.5cm below saddle height with the drop bars. So it was nothing 
> extreme.
> Always comfy, but wished I could sit more upright for better view 
> sometimes. I wanted to sit higher, have more stable wider tires, and 
> fenderability. I like the traditional steel type frame looks and 
> appointments, too.
>  
> Now:
> Got a Bleriot last August, and a new Sam in Feb. 2013.
> They are great rides, and comfy during the rides, but since last September 
> I pay for it later in the day with low back pain, etc, that can last into 
> the next day.
> No matter what set up I try, I seem to have problems. Noodle drop versions 
> of the bikes.
> I am puzzled by this really wierd and frustrating experience. Am I just 
> getting old (44 now)? Medically I seem to be fine, and doc seems to think 
> my back is fine. More upright is supposed to be better for the back and 
> neck. Maybe sitting bolt upright, or sitting low is good for the back, but 
> anything between 40-80 degrees isn't for some?
>  
> *I can only imagine that my problem is that, for whatever reason, my body 
> just doesn't like to sit upright.* Seems like anything above saddle 
> height for the bars causes pain. But I am happy to have the wider tires and 
> fenderability features. Now if I could just dial in the fit.
> I guess I will try to replicate my race fit onto the Rivs and see how it 
> goes.
>  
> Any thoughts, experiences? Just losing my sanity?
>  
>  
> ** 
>

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